Time for Rudy Fernandez again?

[MBunge]

With Shaq sitting out against the 6ers, that was the first game when the Cs injury woes really stood out to me.  Weirdly enough, it wasn't the hurt bigs I noticed.  Baby can effectively play starters minutes and Semih surprisingly doesn't suck.  Without Shaq's impact, however, you could really see how much it hurts when Marquis has one of his games where he just disappears.

I like the aggression Von Wafer shows on the floor but if Doc doesn't feel comfortable playing him more than 5 minutes a game, I think Ainge has got to go get someone to play until Delonte gets back.  At least I think he's got to do that if this team wants to compete for best record and home court through the playoffs.

There may be other options, but Wafer and a 1st for Fernandez is what pops into my head.

Mike

[wdleehi]

I would wait.


There is talk that Mayo may be available.


Save the Wafer, 1st and (something else) to trade for Mayo, the future replacement for Ray. 

[KungPoweChicken]

I would wait.


There is talk that Mayo may be available.


Save the Wafer, 1st and (something else) to trade for Mayo, the future replacement for Ray. 

I know Chris Wallace is a terrible GM. But do you really think he would trade one of his top players for Von Wafer?

[Fafnir]

I don't think the Celtics have the trade assets for either play. Of the two Rudy is probably the more realistic target.

[wdleehi]

I would wait.


There is talk that Mayo may be available.


Save the Wafer, 1st and (something else) to trade for Mayo, the future replacement for Ray. 

I know Chris Wallace is a terrible GM. But do you really think he would trade one of his top players for Von Wafer?

Well, yes.


Wafer, Bradley, Daniels and a 1st.  


They are looking to move him because they do not want to have to pay him.  Wafer they waive (save money).  Daniels is in his last year (no future money).  Bradley and a 1st are cheap building blocks towards the future.  


Of course the Celtics would then have to make a deal to get a new SF.  (A deal with Nate once West is back most likely)

[StartOrien]

With the injuries to Roy the Blazers don't really have the depth to trade Rudy any longer unless they're getting a rotational player out of the deal. Matthews is playing great, but Batum has definitely taken a dropoff and Patty Mills isn't bringing much at this point.

[pearljammer10]

Wafer and a first for Rudy??  You really think the Blazers take that proposal seriously?

[KCattheStripe]

I would wait.


There is talk that Mayo may be available.


Save the Wafer, 1st and (something else) to trade for Mayo, the future replacement for Ray. 

I know Chris Wallace is a terrible GM. But do you really think he would trade one of his top players for Von Wafer?

Well, yes.


Wafer, Bradley, Daniels and a 1st.  


They are looking to move him because they do not want to have to pay him.  Wafer they waive (save money).  Daniels is in his last year (no future money).  Bradley and a 1st are cheap building blocks towards the future.  


Of course the Celtics would then have to make a deal to get a new SF.  (A deal with Nate once West is back most likely)

That's a lot of overhaul of a deep bench for OJ Mayo. I would do Wafer, bradley and a first but keep Marquis for two reasons. 1. That combined value of the first is more than OJ Mayo. 2. The first trade necessitates the second one which would only further damage the team. Especially when you consider that OJ Mayo doesn't bring much more to the C's than nate does.

[wdleehi]

I would wait.


There is talk that Mayo may be available.


Save the Wafer, 1st and (something else) to trade for Mayo, the future replacement for Ray. 

I know Chris Wallace is a terrible GM. But do you really think he would trade one of his top players for Von Wafer?

Well, yes.


Wafer, Bradley, Daniels and a 1st.  


They are looking to move him because they do not want to have to pay him.  Wafer they waive (save money).  Daniels is in his last year (no future money).  Bradley and a 1st are cheap building blocks towards the future.  


Of course the Celtics would then have to make a deal to get a new SF.  (A deal with Nate once West is back most likely)

That's a lot of overhaul of a deep bench for OJ Mayo. I would do Wafer, bradley and a first but keep Marquis for two reasons. 1. That combined value of the first is more than OJ Mayo. 2. The first trade necessitates the second one which would only further damage the team. Especially when you consider that OJ Mayo doesn't bring much more to the C's than nate does.

Then the money doesn't work.

I think Mayo is much better then Nate. 

[KCattheStripe]

I would wait.


There is talk that Mayo may be available.


Save the Wafer, 1st and (something else) to trade for Mayo, the future replacement for Ray. 

I know Chris Wallace is a terrible GM. But do you really think he would trade one of his top players for Von Wafer?

Well, yes.


Wafer, Bradley, Daniels and a 1st.  


They are looking to move him because they do not want to have to pay him.  Wafer they waive (save money).  Daniels is in his last year (no future money).  Bradley and a 1st are cheap building blocks towards the future.  


Of course the Celtics would then have to make a deal to get a new SF.  (A deal with Nate once West is back most likely)

That's a lot of overhaul of a deep bench for OJ Mayo. I would do Wafer, bradley and a first but keep Marquis for two reasons. 1. That combined value of the first is more than OJ Mayo. 2. The first trade necessitates the second one which would only further damage the team. Especially when you consider that OJ Mayo doesn't bring much more to the C's than nate does.

Then the money doesn't work.

I think Mayo is much better then Nate. 

Having watched the Grizzlies the past two years, OJ really doesn't give you much more than the ability to score in bunches. He doesn't play D and he can't run an offense. Nate at least is a pest on D and can step in and run this offense.

[manl_lui]

Wafer and a 1st for Rudy might work

but I have to agree with some people above, I rather wait for OJ Mayo...

Normally I wouldn't want to trade Bradley for anyone, cuz the kid's young and can play defense...
but if that guy is OJ Mayo, I would trade Wafer, Bradley and some other guy for him

OJ Mayo did say he wants to play with Rondo =)

[wdleehi]

I would wait.


There is talk that Mayo may be available.


Save the Wafer, 1st and (something else) to trade for Mayo, the future replacement for Ray. 

I know Chris Wallace is a terrible GM. But do you really think he would trade one of his top players for Von Wafer?

Well, yes.


Wafer, Bradley, Daniels and a 1st.  


They are looking to move him because they do not want to have to pay him.  Wafer they waive (save money).  Daniels is in his last year (no future money).  Bradley and a 1st are cheap building blocks towards the future.  


Of course the Celtics would then have to make a deal to get a new SF.  (A deal with Nate once West is back most likely)

That's a lot of overhaul of a deep bench for OJ Mayo. I would do Wafer, bradley and a first but keep Marquis for two reasons. 1. That combined value of the first is more than OJ Mayo. 2. The first trade necessitates the second one which would only further damage the team. Especially when you consider that OJ Mayo doesn't bring much more to the C's than nate does.

Then the money doesn't work.

I think Mayo is much better then Nate. 

Having watched the Grizzlies the past two years, OJ really doesn't give you much more than the ability to score in bunches. He doesn't play D and he can't run an offense. Nate at least is a pest on D and can step in and run this offense.

Mayo is a true SG that shoots at a high percentage with the tools to be a good team defender.  


Nate is an undersized SG that makes the most of his talent.


Mayo can be a top line starter next to Rondo.  (once Ray retires or slows down to a point where he best serves the team as a gunner off the bench)

Nate can never be more then Rondo's backup on the Celtics.  

[Bankshot]

I would wait.


There is talk that Mayo may be available.


Save the Wafer, 1st and (something else) to trade for Mayo, the future replacement for Ray.  

I know Chris Wallace is a terrible GM. But do you really think he would trade one of his top players for Von Wafer?

To the Lakers, yes.  To the Celtics, no.

[KCattheStripe]

Mayo is a true SG that shoots at a high percentage with the tools to be a good team defender.  

Nate is an undersized SG that makes the most of his talent.

Mayo can be a top line starter next to Rondo.  (once Ray retires or slows down to a point where he best serves the team as a gunner off the bench)

Nate can never be more then Rondo's backup on the Celtics.  

Mayo is a true 2, but you don't need to worry about people's true positions as much off the bench. Especially when you have a tandem of Nate and Delonte.

Agreed that Nate is an Undersized 2 making the most of his talents, including his passing ability when he's forced to play with the first unit, his shooting ability when playing the 2 next to Rondo, and his ability to attack the basket when playing next to Delonte. OJ has no idea how to adjust his game next to other players. It's not that he's selfish, he just doesn't mesh well. So much so that Lionel Hollins moved him to the bench so that he could essentially play iso games against opposing ssecond units because that's all he can do.

Mayo can't be a top line starter on the Grizzlies. I know Rondo makes people better but if we're going to gamble the present of this team for the future can we at least do it for someone who is a starter right now, who can make their games mesh with others?

It's fine that Nate could never be more than Rondo's back up this season and next, that's all I need him to be. Let's rebuild when we have to.

[RJ87]

I would wait.


There is talk that Mayo may be available.


Save the Wafer, 1st and (something else) to trade for Mayo, the future replacement for Ray. 

I know Chris Wallace is a terrible GM. But do you really think he would trade one of his top players for Von Wafer?

Well, yes.


Wafer, Bradley, Daniels and a 1st.  


They are looking to move him because they do not want to have to pay him.  Wafer they waive (save money).  Daniels is in his last year (no future money).  Bradley and a 1st are cheap building blocks towards the future.  


Of course the Celtics would then have to make a deal to get a new SF.  (A deal with Nate once West is back most likely)

That's a lot of overhaul of a deep bench for OJ Mayo. I would do Wafer, bradley and a first but keep Marquis for two reasons. 1. That combined value of the first is more than OJ Mayo. 2. The first trade necessitates the second one which would only further damage the team. Especially when you consider that OJ Mayo doesn't bring much more to the C's than nate does.

Then the money doesn't work.

I think Mayo is much better then Nate. 

Having watched the Grizzlies the past two years, OJ really doesn't give you much more than the ability to score in bunches. He doesn't play D and he can't run an offense. Nate at least is a pest on D and can step in and run this offense.

Mayo is a true SG that shoots at a high percentage with the tools to be a good team defender.  


Nate is an undersized SG that makes the most of his talent.


Mayo can be a top line starter next to Rondo.  (once Ray retires or slows down to a point where he best serves the team as a gunner off the bench)

Nate can never be more then Rondo's backup on the Celtics.  

I agree that I think OJ Mayo would be a great backcourt mate for Rondo. But we just don't have the pieces to get him, IMO. Bradley could be enough to get him, but who really knows what his NBA value is at this point? He barely plays. Wallace is an idiot, but not that much of one.