Time for Rudy Fernandez again?

[StartOrien]

Wafer and a 1st for Rudy might work

but I have to agree with some people above, I rather wait for OJ Mayo...

Normally I wouldn't want to trade Bradley for anyone, cuz the kid's young and can play defense...
but if that guy is OJ Mayo, I would trade Wafer, Bradley and some other guy for him

OJ Mayo did say he wants to play with Rondo =)

What exactly would the Grizzlies incentive to make this trade? They just threw a truck load of cash at Mike Conley, already have two rookies who play 2/3 and have a 'stopper' in Tony Allen - the only thing Avery Bradley has shown the ability to do at this point.

They'd be trading a proven player with a high ceiling to add two players who might crack their rotation, only one with potential to significantly improve

Conley/ Bradley
Henry/ TA / Vasquez / Von Wafer
Gay / Sam Young
Randolph
Gasol

[KCattheStripe]

Conley/ Bradley
Henry/ TA / Vasquez / Von Wafer
Gay / Sam Young
Randolph
Gasol

It makes me sad that a starting 5 that good would have a bench that bad.

[StartOrien]

Conley/ Bradley
Henry/ TA / Vasquez / Von Wafer
Gay / Sam Young
Randolph
Gasol

It makes me sad that a starting 5 that good would have a bench that bad.

They've got Thabeet, they've got Thabeet. YA! They got Thabeet

[wdleehi]

Wafer and a 1st for Rudy might work

but I have to agree with some people above, I rather wait for OJ Mayo...

Normally I wouldn't want to trade Bradley for anyone, cuz the kid's young and can play defense...
but if that guy is OJ Mayo, I would trade Wafer, Bradley and some other guy for him

OJ Mayo did say he wants to play with Rondo =)

What exactly would the Grizzlies incentive to make this trade? They just threw a truck load of cash at Mike Conley, already have two rookies who play 2/3 and have a 'stopper' in Tony Allen - the only thing Avery Bradley has shown the ability to do at this point.

They'd be trading a proven player with a high ceiling to add two players who might crack their rotation, only one with potential to significantly improve

Conley/ Bradley
Henry/ TA / Vasquez / Von Wafer
Gay / Sam Young
Randolph
Gasol

Money.


Mayo has lost his starting spot.  They do not want to pay for his next contract.

This trade trims money the next two years and gives them the equivalence of two 1st round picks.  A backup PG and whatever they get out of the draft.  

[StartOrien]

I'd guess that the Grizzlies could get a better offer from at least a dozen teams in the league.

[Bankshot]

Forgot to mention that Rudy sucks.

[wdleehi]

I'd guess that the Grizzlies could get a better offer from at least a dozen teams in the league.

Probably.


But if I were the Celtics, I would hold onto my chips until that happens. 

[StartOrien]

I'd guess that the Grizzlies could get a better offer from at least a dozen teams in the league.

Probably.


But if I were the Celtics, I would hold onto my chips until that happens. 

I'd do the same, but don't think that there's even a tenth of a chance we'd land OJ Mayo. With the team rolling the way it has lately, I wouldn't make a move that wasn't anything less than an absolute slam dunk. I'm a huge Rudy Fernandez believer, but I don't think he's enough of a sure-thing to bother making a trade for at this point.

[RJ87]

Wafer and a 1st for Rudy might work

but I have to agree with some people above, I rather wait for OJ Mayo...

Normally I wouldn't want to trade Bradley for anyone, cuz the kid's young and can play defense...
but if that guy is OJ Mayo, I would trade Wafer, Bradley and some other guy for him

OJ Mayo did say he wants to play with Rondo =)

What exactly would the Grizzlies incentive to make this trade? They just threw a truck load of cash at Mike Conley, already have two rookies who play 2/3 and have a 'stopper' in Tony Allen - the only thing Avery Bradley has shown the ability to do at this point.

They'd be trading a proven player with a high ceiling to add two players who might crack their rotation, only one with potential to significantly improve

Conley/ Bradley
Henry/ TA / Vasquez / Von Wafer
Gay / Sam Young
Randolph
Gasol

I guess it comes back the concept that our trash is supposed to be another team's gold.

Yes, it appears the Grizzlies don't wanna pay Mayo in the longterm - having just committed a ton of cash to Conley and Gay. But it's highly likely that they could get better packages elsewhere. I could see Chicago getting into the mix, possibly offering Taj Gibson - who could be insurance should the Grizz let Zach Randolph walk.

[MBunge]

Wafer and a first for Rudy??  You really think the Blazers take that proposal seriously?

With what's happened to Odom and Roy, the Blazers have to be seriously considering their future.  An extra 1st is always nice to have in those situations.

Mike

[MBunge]

I'd guess that the Grizzlies could get a better offer from at least a dozen teams in the league.

Probably.


But if I were the Celtics, I would hold onto my chips until that happens. 

I'd do the same, but don't think that there's even a tenth of a chance we'd land OJ Mayo. With the team rolling the way it has lately, I wouldn't make a move that wasn't anything less than an absolute slam dunk. I'm a huge Rudy Fernandez believer, but I don't think he's enough of a sure-thing to bother making a trade for at this point.

If all is takes is Wafer and a 1st, that's pretty close to a slam dunk.  I can't imagine any trade where Boston would have to give up less to get anyone of value.  I'd prefer someone with enough strength to play the 3 for those games when Marquis vanishes, but I'm not sure a guy like that is getable.

Mike

[Yoki_IsTheName]

No on Rudy.

Rudy wants playing time. He won't get it with the Celtics. He'll just go back to Spain after this year or 2 (i think the Blazers picked up their option on Rudy.) if he won't get that playing time he wants.

Either way, I like how Rudy plays, but I'd rather hang on to Von and that 1st rounder for something else.

[Brendan]

I think the money move is trading Nate and Daniels for a SF, especially one that can play a small PF spot. West seems on pace to heal quickly and they can go with AB in the meantime.

Rondo / AB
Ray / Pierce / AB
Pierce / (SF new guy)
KG / Baby / (SF new guy)
Shaq / Baby / Semi

Adding a 2 guard doesn't help the bench - the problems are in the front court. I think if they could get a combo forward that would be best, a big SF for the matchups where Ray is over matched at SF, and short term depth in the front court.

Then if everyone gets healthy the depth chart looks like:

Rondo / AB
Ray / West / Wafer
Pierce / SF
KG / Baby / Harangody
Shaq / Perk / JO / Semi

And the rotation is probably the starters, plus West and the new SF, Baby and whichever of the two bench centers is healthier / playing better.

If your not improving the lineup cohesion - I wouldn't rock the boat from a chemistry stand point. Plus Rudy doesn't have the versatility to get enough PT off the bench (bad option at PG and SF.) Mayo is better, especially if you have West and him as the two backup wings, you get a bit more size and defensive tenacity, still there would be times when your reserves are over matched a fair amount size wise at the wings.

[kozlodoev]

I think the money move is trading Nate and Daniels for a SF, especially one that can play a small PF spot. West seems on pace to heal quickly and they can go with AB in the meantime.

Rondo / AB
Ray / Pierce / AB
Pierce / (SF new guy)
KG / Baby / (SF new guy)
Shaq / Baby / Semi

Adding a 2 guard doesn't help the bench - the problems are in the front court. I think if they could get a combo forward that would be best, a big SF for the matchups where Ray is over matched at SF, and short term depth in the front court.

Then if everyone gets healthy the depth chart looks like:

Rondo / AB
Ray / West / Wafer
Pierce / SF
KG / Baby / Harangody
Shaq / Perk / JO / Semi

And the rotation is probably the starters, plus West and the new SF, Baby and whichever of the two bench centers is healthier / playing better.

If your not improving the lineup cohesion - I wouldn't rock the boat from a chemistry stand point. Plus Rudy doesn't have the versatility to get enough PT off the bench (bad option at PG and SF.) Mayo is better, especially if you have West and him as the two backup wings, you get a bit more size and defensive tenacity, still there would be times when your reserves are over matched a fair amount size wise at the wings.

You want Rondo to play 48 minutes a game? Because, really, that's the only way in which Bradley backing up Rondo can ever work.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I'd trade Von or Marquiz + 1st rounder to Toronto for Julian Wright instead for Rudy.

Wright is a solid defender and a good shooter. He can back up Paul no problem. And he's young too. Only thing is he's getting paid 3m (i think), so we need to give away good players to match salaries.