KG should apologize

[BballTim]

You guys really dont get it eh?
How many times do you hear these players saying it is a buisness. If it is a buisness then act professionally. You try going into work tommorow and acting like KG does on the court and see what happens.

  That's pretty nonsensical. Do you go to work and act like an nba player (aside from a small amount of the trash talking that occurs)? Or maybe you act like a pro wrestler, because that's a business too? Please.

A small amount of trash talk. KG was voted the worst trash talker in the league. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Kevin-Garnett-voted-NBA-s-top-trash-talker?urn=nba-213362.

Every other word out of his mouth is either the F word or the N word. I love KG as much as anyone and I never said he should apologize to CV. I simply said he should apologize for profanity filled trash talk on the court. He is a role model weather he likes it or not and he represents the Celtics.

  No, you misunderstood. I wasn't saying that KG only did a small amount of trash talking. I was asking if you'd say all but a small amount of what KG said at work, since you seem to be under the impression that nba players should only be doing/saying things that would be acceptable in a typical workplace.

[BballTim]

Goodness gracious, Can professional sports at least be the one safe haven where people don't have to be a WUS? It's basketball people!! guys talk junk, fans are amped. Whatever KG may have said ,sure it may have been insensitive but seriously #1 i'm sure Charlie has heard worse in his life #2 if he can't take trash talk he needs to just end it all right now cause life is a whole lot tougher than that.
 It's absolutely getting out of hand with the Feminizing of this country. Can't say or do crap without someone getting offended. Can't hit in freaking FOOTBALL. can't hand check maybe that'll hurt the offensive players vagina. Who knows. I agree with Doc, Sad state of affairs nowadays that this is even news.

At the peril of being considered womanly, I disagree. I actually don't have a problem with trash talk on the court or clean hard hits in football, but there are lines that can be crossed. 

  The thing is, what happens when you start making a list of things that "cross the line"? It would, let's face it, be a pretty long list. Pretty soon we'd have to eliminate any and all trash talking, and players would have to start attending workshops on "Building the Self Esteem of Your Opponents".

  This isn't middle school, it's not youth sports. And who among KG's critics in this thread are fairly certain that comment was the most offensive thing CV's ever heard, and that it's far worse than anything he's ever said?

[dlpin]

Correct-a-mundo.

This has nothing to do with bullying at all. Blows my mind that suddenly this societal issue is being tagged onto a little bit of trash talk in a basketball game.

Also, I find it interesting how many non-NBA players (particularly those in the media and on message boards) are making calls about what lines KG crossed when the content of the actual statement is in dispute.

And you bring up a good point: the fake outrage is all coming from sportswriters who never played the game.

Every single athlete I've heard talking about this (Jalen Rose, David Pollack, Doug and Ryan Stewart, Eddie Johnson) has said that it is silly to discuss this and they've heard a lot worse.

[Neurotic Guy]

Goodness gracious, Can professional sports at least be the one safe haven where people don't have to be a WUS? It's basketball people!! guys talk junk, fans are amped. Whatever KG may have said ,sure it may have been insensitive but seriously #1 i'm sure Charlie has heard worse in his life #2 if he can't take trash talk he needs to just end it all right now cause life is a whole lot tougher than that.
 It's absolutely getting out of hand with the Feminizing of this country. Can't say or do crap without someone getting offended. Can't hit in freaking FOOTBALL. can't hand check maybe that'll hurt the offensive players vagina. Who knows. I agree with Doc, Sad state of affairs nowadays that this is even news.

At the peril of being considered womanly, I disagree. I actually don't have a problem with trash talk on the court or clean hard hits in football, but there are lines that can be crossed. 

  The thing is, what happens when you start making a list of things that "cross the line"? It would, let's face it, be a pretty long list. Pretty soon we'd have to eliminate any and all trash talking, and players would have to start attending workshops on "Building the Self Esteem of Your Opponents".

  This isn't middle school, it's not youth sports. And who among KG's critics in this thread are fairly certain that comment was the most offensive thing CV's ever heard, and that it's far worse than anything he's ever said?

Slippery slope?  I doubt it.   I actually do not think this is something that should be policed by either NBA execs or public opinion.  However, I think concensus amongst players would place a few topics in the 'cross the line' category, while leaving everything else on the table.
 
It's senseless to use hyperbole like 'building your opponent's self-esteem' (which no one on these pages has come close to arguing) in the same breath as talking about acknowledging that there are a few universally highly distasteful and offensive comments that would be seen by virtually anyone as over the top. 

[FallGuy]

Goodness gracious, Can professional sports at least be the one safe haven where people don't have to be a WUS? It's basketball people!! guys talk junk, fans are amped. Whatever KG may have said ,sure it may have been insensitive but seriously #1 i'm sure Charlie has heard worse in his life #2 if he can't take trash talk he needs to just end it all right now cause life is a whole lot tougher than that.
 It's absolutely getting out of hand with the Feminizing of this country. Can't say or do crap without someone getting offended. Can't hit in freaking FOOTBALL. can't hand check maybe that'll hurt the offensive players vagina. Who knows. I agree with Doc, Sad state of affairs nowadays that this is even news.

At the peril of being considered womanly, I disagree. I actually don't have a problem with trash talk on the court or clean hard hits in football, but there are lines that can be crossed. 

  The thing is, what happens when you start making a list of things that "cross the line"? It would, let's face it, be a pretty long list. Pretty soon we'd have to eliminate any and all trash talking, and players would have to start attending workshops on "Building the Self Esteem of Your Opponents".

  This isn't middle school, it's not youth sports. And who among KG's critics in this thread are fairly certain that comment was the most offensive thing CV's ever heard, and that it's far worse than anything he's ever said?

Slippery slope?  I doubt it.   I actually do not think this is something that should be policed by either NBA execs or public opinion.  However, I think concensus amongst players would place a few topics in the 'cross the line' category, while leaving everything else on the table.
 
It's senseless to use hyperbole like 'building your opponent's self-esteem' (which no one on these pages has come close to arguing) in the same breath as talking about acknowledging that there are a few universally highly distasteful and offensive comments that would be seen by virtually anyone as over the top. 

Why do you care what they say on the court?

I mean, honestly, it's between the players (or it should be despite Attention-Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. Villaneuva's tweet) and the consensus from that camp appears to be that this is silly and overblown.

[Neurotic Guy]

Goodness gracious, Can professional sports at least be the one safe haven where people don't have to be a WUS? It's basketball people!! guys talk junk, fans are amped. Whatever KG may have said ,sure it may have been insensitive but seriously #1 i'm sure Charlie has heard worse in his life #2 if he can't take trash talk he needs to just end it all right now cause life is a whole lot tougher than that.
 It's absolutely getting out of hand with the Feminizing of this country. Can't say or do crap without someone getting offended. Can't hit in freaking FOOTBALL. can't hand check maybe that'll hurt the offensive players vagina. Who knows. I agree with Doc, Sad state of affairs nowadays that this is even news.

At the peril of being considered womanly, I disagree. I actually don't have a problem with trash talk on the court or clean hard hits in football, but there are lines that can be crossed. 

  The thing is, what happens when you start making a list of things that "cross the line"? It would, let's face it, be a pretty long list. Pretty soon we'd have to eliminate any and all trash talking, and players would have to start attending workshops on "Building the Self Esteem of Your Opponents".

  This isn't middle school, it's not youth sports. And who among KG's critics in this thread are fairly certain that comment was the most offensive thing CV's ever heard, and that it's far worse than anything he's ever said?

Slippery slope?  I doubt it.   I actually do not think this is something that should be policed by either NBA execs or public opinion.  However, I think concensus amongst players would place a few topics in the 'cross the line' category, while leaving everything else on the table.
 
It's senseless to use hyperbole like 'building your opponent's self-esteem' (which no one on these pages has come close to arguing) in the same breath as talking about acknowledging that there are a few universally highly distasteful and offensive comments that would be seen by virtually anyone as over the top. 

Why do you care what they say on the court?

I mean, honestly, it's between the players (or it should be despite Attention-**** Villaneuva's tweet) and the consensus from that camp appears to be that this is silly and overblown.

I don't care.  Re-read my post.  I think it should be handled by the players. 

But, if you hadn't noticed, this was made public and therefore opened the door for fans to react to the content of the comments. I was pointing out that there are indeed some comments that cross the line -- and when we as the public become privvy to those comments, we'll be entitled to an opinion.  Let me take a worst case scenario -- what if Charlie had lost a child to cancer and KG made the same comments to him, would you have an opinion then?

[FallGuy]

Goodness gracious, Can professional sports at least be the one safe haven where people don't have to be a WUS? It's basketball people!! guys talk junk, fans are amped. Whatever KG may have said ,sure it may have been insensitive but seriously #1 i'm sure Charlie has heard worse in his life #2 if he can't take trash talk he needs to just end it all right now cause life is a whole lot tougher than that.
 It's absolutely getting out of hand with the Feminizing of this country. Can't say or do crap without someone getting offended. Can't hit in freaking FOOTBALL. can't hand check maybe that'll hurt the offensive players vagina. Who knows. I agree with Doc, Sad state of affairs nowadays that this is even news.

At the peril of being considered womanly, I disagree. I actually don't have a problem with trash talk on the court or clean hard hits in football, but there are lines that can be crossed. 

  The thing is, what happens when you start making a list of things that "cross the line"? It would, let's face it, be a pretty long list. Pretty soon we'd have to eliminate any and all trash talking, and players would have to start attending workshops on "Building the Self Esteem of Your Opponents".

  This isn't middle school, it's not youth sports. And who among KG's critics in this thread are fairly certain that comment was the most offensive thing CV's ever heard, and that it's far worse than anything he's ever said?

Slippery slope?  I doubt it.   I actually do not think this is something that should be policed by either NBA execs or public opinion.  However, I think concensus amongst players would place a few topics in the 'cross the line' category, while leaving everything else on the table.
 
It's senseless to use hyperbole like 'building your opponent's self-esteem' (which no one on these pages has come close to arguing) in the same breath as talking about acknowledging that there are a few universally highly distasteful and offensive comments that would be seen by virtually anyone as over the top. 

Why do you care what they say on the court?

I mean, honestly, it's between the players (or it should be despite Attention-**** Villaneuva's tweet) and the consensus from that camp appears to be that this is silly and overblown.

I don't care.  Re-read my post.  I think it should be handled by the players. 

But, if you hadn't noticed, this was made public and therefore opened the door for fans to react to the content of the comments. I was pointing out that there are indeed some comments that cross the line -- and when we as the public become privvy to those comments, we'll be entitled to an opinion.  Let me take a worst case scenario -- what if Charlie had lost a child to cancer and KG made the same comments to him, would you have an opinion then?

Sorry - should have caught that you don't care. My bad.

Yeah, I suppose I'd have an opinion, assuming we were sure that's what he said. But we don't even know what the comment was in this case. It remains in dispute. And even if it was re: some dead kid, I doubt I'd spend more time thinking about it than I do what to have for lunch. I'd definitely be more concerned about how many rebounds he got.

Honestly, if people want to bag on KG, a far better place to start than some alleged comment is his cowardly post-whistle swinging of the elbows and then walking away like he didn't do anything. That's happened far too many times.

[NoraG1]

Goodness gracious, Can professional sports at least be the one safe haven where people don't have to be a WUS? It's basketball people!! guys talk junk, fans are amped. Whatever KG may have said ,sure it may have been insensitive but seriously #1 i'm sure Charlie has heard worse in his life #2 if he can't take trash talk he needs to just end it all right now cause life is a whole lot tougher than that.
 It's absolutely getting out of hand with the Feminizing of this country. Can't say or do crap without someone getting offended. Can't hit in freaking FOOTBALL. can't hand check maybe that'll hurt the offensive players vagina. Who knows. I agree with Doc, Sad state of affairs nowadays that this is even news.

At the peril of being considered womanly, I disagree. I actually don't have a problem with trash talk on the court or clean hard hits in football, but there are lines that can be crossed. 

  The thing is, what happens when you start making a list of things that "cross the line"? It would, let's face it, be a pretty long list. Pretty soon we'd have to eliminate any and all trash talking, and players would have to start attending workshops on "Building the Self Esteem of Your Opponents".

  This isn't middle school, it's not youth sports. And who among KG's critics in this thread are fairly certain that comment was the most offensive thing CV's ever heard, and that it's far worse than anything he's ever said?

Slippery slope?  I doubt it.   I actually do not think this is something that should be policed by either NBA execs or public opinion.  However, I think concensus amongst players would place a few topics in the 'cross the line' category, while leaving everything else on the table.
 
It's senseless to use hyperbole like 'building your opponent's self-esteem' (which no one on these pages has come close to arguing) in the same breath as talking about acknowledging that there are a few universally highly distasteful and offensive comments that would be seen by virtually anyone as over the top. 

Why do you care what they say on the court?

I mean, honestly, it's between the players (or it should be despite Attention-**** Villaneuva's tweet) and the consensus from that camp appears to be that this is silly and overblown.

I don't care.  Re-read my post.  I think it should be handled by the players. 

But, if you hadn't noticed, this was made public and therefore opened the door for fans to react to the content of the comments. I was pointing out that there are indeed some comments that cross the line -- and when we as the public become privvy to those comments, we'll be entitled to an opinion.  Let me take a worst case scenario -- what if Charlie had lost a child to cancer and KG made the same comments to him, would you have an opinion then?

Sorry - should have caught that you don't care. My bad.

Yeah, I suppose I'd have an opinion, assuming we were sure that's what he said. But we don't even know what the comment was in this case. It remains in dispute. And even if it was re: some dead kid, I doubt I'd spend more time thinking about it than I do what to have for lunch. I'd definitely be more concerned about how many rebounds he got.

Honestly, if people want to bag on KG, a far better place to start than some alleged comment is his cowardly post-whistle swinging of the elbows and then walking away like he didn't do anything. That's happened far too many times.

Yeah and then everyone would be mad at KG for getting suspended if had done anything more.

[barefacedmonk]

[BballTim]

Goodness gracious, Can professional sports at least be the one safe haven where people don't have to be a WUS? It's basketball people!! guys talk junk, fans are amped. Whatever KG may have said ,sure it may have been insensitive but seriously #1 i'm sure Charlie has heard worse in his life #2 if he can't take trash talk he needs to just end it all right now cause life is a whole lot tougher than that.
 It's absolutely getting out of hand with the Feminizing of this country. Can't say or do crap without someone getting offended. Can't hit in freaking FOOTBALL. can't hand check maybe that'll hurt the offensive players vagina. Who knows. I agree with Doc, Sad state of affairs nowadays that this is even news.

At the peril of being considered womanly, I disagree. I actually don't have a problem with trash talk on the court or clean hard hits in football, but there are lines that can be crossed. 

  The thing is, what happens when you start making a list of things that "cross the line"? It would, let's face it, be a pretty long list. Pretty soon we'd have to eliminate any and all trash talking, and players would have to start attending workshops on "Building the Self Esteem of Your Opponents".

  This isn't middle school, it's not youth sports. And who among KG's critics in this thread are fairly certain that comment was the most offensive thing CV's ever heard, and that it's far worse than anything he's ever said?

Slippery slope?  I doubt it.   I actually do not think this is something that should be policed by either NBA execs or public opinion.  However, I think concensus amongst players would place a few topics in the 'cross the line' category, while leaving everything else on the table.

  It seems to be the case that they already do that. One of the things I heard when they were discussing this was that player's kids are off limits for trash talking. I doubt that's it, but I also doubt that whatever KG said was extremely over the top to other players.
 

It's senseless to use hyperbole like 'building your opponent's self-esteem' (which no one on these pages has come close to arguing) in the same breath as talking about acknowledging that there are a few universally highly distasteful and offensive comments that would be seen by virtually anyone as over the top. 

  I think it's silly to assume that the word few would ever describe the list of offensive comments. People here have talked about things like what would be acceptable in a typical work environment.

[wiley]

My intuition is that if the media keeps flailing along with this story then KG and Charlie will do a ceremonial hug at center court next time they play each other, just an attempt to shut everyone up.

Players can say whatever the heck they want.  Leave them alone.  And tweeting what goes on the court is a pretty big sin imo.  It's true, once it's out there, people can talk about it if they want, but people (imo) should also realize when something has left private territory in a not-so-ideal way, and let silence rule the day in such cases.  If, for no other reason than to do the opposite of enabling the media to get its dirty hands on this or that.

I don't love trash talking, but it's none of my business.  I'll just say I hope a high percentage of new players understand they don't have to conform with the Uber-trash talkers of the league.  I hope the NBA remains a place where a player can come in and be as silent as he wishes.  A whole nuther topic.

It's pretty clear the world will blow up or big brother will complete his takeover at the peak of some giant "scandal" along these lines.

I'm trying to remember the Charlie Chaplin quote:  butchered version:  Man as an individual is a genius.  It's humanity in mass that's a great idiot who can be poked and prodded any which way.

[LooseCannon]

This thread is going on way too long because a bunch of people post like cancer patients.

[BballTim]

This thread is going on way too long because a bunch of people post like cancer patients.

  I hate it when LooseCannon bullies us like that (wringing hands incessantly)...

[moiso]

Goodness gracious, Can professional sports at least be the one safe haven where people don't have to be a WUS? It's basketball people!! guys talk junk, fans are amped. Whatever KG may have said ,sure it may have been insensitive but seriously #1 i'm sure Charlie has heard worse in his life #2 if he can't take trash talk he needs to just end it all right now cause life is a whole lot tougher than that.
 It's absolutely getting out of hand with the Feminizing of this country. Can't say or do crap without someone getting offended. Can't hit in freaking FOOTBALL. can't hand check maybe that'll hurt the offensive players vagina. Who knows. I agree with Doc, Sad state of affairs nowadays that this is even news.

At the peril of being considered womanly, I disagree. I actually don't have a problem with trash talk on the court or clean hard hits in football, but there are lines that can be crossed. 

  The thing is, what happens when you start making a list of things that "cross the line"? It would, let's face it, be a pretty long list. Pretty soon we'd have to eliminate any and all trash talking, and players would have to start attending workshops on "Building the Self Esteem of Your Opponents".

  This isn't middle school, it's not youth sports. And who among KG's critics in this thread are fairly certain that comment was the most offensive thing CV's ever heard, and that it's far worse than anything he's ever said?

Slippery slope?  I doubt it.   I actually do not think this is something that should be policed by either NBA execs or public opinion.  However, I think concensus amongst players would place a few topics in the 'cross the line' category, while leaving everything else on the table.
 
It's senseless to use hyperbole like 'building your opponent's self-esteem' (which no one on these pages has come close to arguing) in the same breath as talking about acknowledging that there are a few universally highly distasteful and offensive comments that would be seen by virtually anyone as over the top. 

Why do you care what they say on the court?

I mean, honestly, it's between the players (or it should be despite Attention-**** Villaneuva's tweet) and the consensus from that camp appears to be that this is silly and overblown.

I don't care.  Re-read my post.  I think it should be handled by the players. 

But, if you hadn't noticed, this was made public and therefore opened the door for fans to react to the content of the comments. I was pointing out that there are indeed some comments that cross the line -- and when we as the public become privvy to those comments, we'll be entitled to an opinion.  Let me take a worst case scenario -- what if Charlie had lost a child to cancer and KG made the same comments to him, would you have an opinion then?

Sorry - should have caught that you don't care. My bad.

Yeah, I suppose I'd have an opinion, assuming we were sure that's what he said. But we don't even know what the comment was in this case. It remains in dispute. And even if it was re: some dead kid, I doubt I'd spend more time thinking about it than I do what to have for lunch. I'd definitely be more concerned about how many rebounds he got.

Honestly, if people want to bag on KG, a far better place to start than some alleged comment is his cowardly post-whistle swinging of the elbows and then walking away like he didn't do anything. That's happened far too many times.

..And then the arms go straight up in the air Laimbeer style.

[mgent]

You guys really dont get it eh?
How many times do you hear these players saying it is a buisness. If it is a buisness then act professionally. You try going into work tommorow and acting like KG does on the court and see what happens.

  That's pretty nonsensical. Do you go to work and act like an nba player (aside from a small amount of the trash talking that occurs)? Or maybe you act like a pro wrestler, because that's a business too? Please.

A small amount of trash talk. KG was voted the worst trash talker in the league. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Kevin-Garnett-voted-NBA-s-top-trash-talker?urn=nba-213362.

Every other word out of his mouth is either the F word or the N word. I love KG as much as anyone and I never said he should apologize to CV. I simply said he should apologize for profanity filled trash talk on the court. He is a role model weather he likes it or not and he represents the Celtics.

Who cares?  Personally I was proud of the fact that we had 4 out of the top 5 trash talkers in the league last year.