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Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #165 on: October 19, 2010, 03:01:27 PM »

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The picture is irrelevant, nor did his pose with the trophy even bother me. I don't agree with the site's disrespect opinion. Other than funny, the reason I put it up was to remind how little he had to do with that Finals win. I had forgot how little in fact, makes me believe even more he is the obvious difference in both Finals. Before that, I posted how Doc has watched his team struggle after putting Baby on th floor. This is to prove that it occurs more than often, despite excuses his backers on this blog make on his game and behalf. I didn't need the pic....but it's hilarious still, so I used it.


Wait, so are you saying having Big Baby on the floor is worse for the team than having KG or Perkins on the floor?  No way I buy that!

Davis is a 8th man.  Of course the team is not going to fare as well when you have him playing more minutes, because a starter is injured.  Just like if Posey was starting in 2007 because Pierce or Allen were injured, we wouldn't have fared very well then either. 
Yes I'm saying having Baby on the floor is worst for the team than having a less than 100% KG or Perkins on the floor. Don't buy it? Oh It's Already Been Boughten!

Davis is a 9th man. Of course the team is not going to fare as well when you have him playing more minutes, because a starter is injured period. Just like when a young & healthy Glen Davis subs in for less than 100% Rasheed(back), KG, and Perkins, we didn't fare very well then either.

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Boston has reportedly made a contract available to Maggette, which might contribute to Posey's air of insult. I'll say this.....Boston can ill afford to lose a bench guy like Posey. If Houston or anybody else lures him away, Boston will be hurting in their perimeter defense....which was a huge reason they won a championship. If Posey was on the Lakers they would have beaten Boston. That is how good he is.

1) Tough
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3) Can hit the crucial shot
4) Smart
5) 2 time champion

Wade talked about how much they missed Posey.
Hey I didn't write it, but you may want to reexamine your example.

Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #166 on: October 22, 2010, 08:38:30 AM »

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I refuse to buy into these puff pieces concerning Baby. Most blogs or C's coverage has articles about Baby and how he will impact the C's success. What is there basis?  Frustrating is the stats that constantly point to his actual impact. The only thing I get from Toscano's piece is that DA refuses to believe Baby does more harm to his team than good. DA has lost some of my respect due to this. I still ask myself, why would you ever change a team that blew out the Lakers for a title? The only team that you should build your team to beat. Why would you then watch as a GM, one player downgrade the performance of your team then proceed to allow him back? I recently read Doc talking about how his team didn't play in the post enough, and that's the difference in 08 Finals, one word, Powe dummies. A Laker fan even told me before game 7, "I be scared if you had Leon Powe"(yes,even a 65%). The dumbest thing is these myths that never get proven. Baby is versatile, really, because he can play two positions? Guess he doesn't have to play them well, just has to play them mediocre. Letting Dwight devour you, then Odom own you destroy that myth. Now he's going to play with the starting five, because he absolutely earned it in the Finals? He is the teddy bear C's fan base love to root for, loves him. Ticket stub is an insult to KG's impact on this team. Why I call him the Sideshow, because while everyone smiles and points happily at the effort of unicycle bear, the opponent reels off a run that he fails to defend. Baby Hater? Nooo....just while he's remains a Celtic.

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Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #167 on: October 22, 2010, 08:43:49 AM »

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The Bottom 10% and One Big Reason Why the Celtics are Having Problems

Bringing Down Boston

And then there are the Celtics.  The Boston Celtics won 62 games this past season.  When we look at Wins Produced we see the team received 48.3 Wins Produced from Rajon Rondo (6th most productive), Paul Pierce (29th most productive), Kevin Garnett (30th most productive), and Ray Allen (35th most productive).  But the team also received -4.44 Wins Produced from Glen Davis (9th least productive), Brian Scalabrine (20th least productive), and Stephon Marbury (41st least productive).

Unfortunately for the Celtics, KG is probably lost for the entire playoffs.  And perhaps more dismaying to Boston fans is that the team has turned to Glen Davis to take many of Garnett’s minutes.   Had Davis played all the minutes played by Garnett this year, Davis would have seen his Wins Produced fall from -1.98 to -4.12.  Plus the Celtics would have lost the 10.16 Wins Produced from Garnett.  The outcome of these changes is that the Celtics would have seen their Wins Produced fall from 61.06 to 48.76 (assuming the per-minute performance from Davis did not change).  In other words, moving from Garnett to Davis takes the Celtics from a title contender to a team that will struggle to defeat the Bulls.

We only heard that KG was lost for the playoffs the day the TrueHoop picks were due.  And my schedule last Thursday prevented me from doing much thinking about this before I had to submit my choices. As a consequence, I thought the Celtics would still be good enough to defeat the Bulls in five games.  Although this is still possible, it seems unlikely.  Yes, the Celtics did win on Monday night.  And yes, Davis actually played well.  But given what Davis did in 2008-09, it doesn’t seem possible for Davis and the Celtics to take the next three from Chicago.

And this means that once Chicago wins another game in this series, my rooting interest in this series moves from the Celtics to the Bulls.  Everyone in the Smackdown picked Boston, but only Neal Paine and I took Boston in five games.  So to stay even with the other competitors, once “Boston in Five” can’t happen anymore I need Chicago to take the series (and then everyone loses the points).

If Boston keeps playing Glen Davis, it seems possible that the defending champions will indeed lose in the first round.  And the legend of Derrick Rose – which I will address in a future post – will certainly grow.

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Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #168 on: October 27, 2010, 09:49:46 AM »

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The Heat pulled within 4 but Big Baby once again stepped up in a big moment. He stepped in to force a charge and scored consecutive buckets down low and effectively shifted the momentum Boston's way.
Same ol...Once again, BCD(Big Collapse Davis) came into the game, we lost the huge lead...again, and he is credited with good play without any acknowledgment that the score was 55-40 before he got in.  Rondo was sitting at 14 assists for a while, the offense looked horrible again. This is my problem with Baby, why are the other 4 struggling with him in there? And why is Doc still watching this rotation lose leads? I understand hack a Shaq didn't help, but not as much as the usual BCD effect. The strength of Heat's run was with him on the floor.
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Rivers showed his faith in Davis, playing him for all but 33 seconds of the fourth quarter, when LeBron James reprised his Cavs' role as One Man Wrecking Crew and nearly stole the game.
Coincidence, nope. If you want me to give him credit for his effort when the score got close, sorry, because I was fuming watching this overplayed usual occurrence. Gee, why not play him the whole 4th, probably because Doc wanted to actually win. Hanna, Wilbon and the Jerk thought Doc should of used Shaq a bit more.
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"Right now, he's the fifth guy because he knows a lot of our stuff. JO [Jermaine O'Neal] and Shaq will get theirs [minutes], but we've got to make sure we milk Baby until then."
This is exactly why we don't enjoy comfortable leads anymore. BCD is the wrecking ball that hits the lead and everything the starting 4 built. I hope I don't ever see this rotation ever again against an elite opponent. It will just come back to bite us...AGAIN!
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=may_peter&id=5732208
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Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #169 on: October 27, 2010, 10:09:16 AM »

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Wow, the Baby hate is really starting to get silly.  6-7, 5 reb, a block, 0 turnovers, drew multiple charges, praise from the coach and the media, and yet he apparently singlehandedly almost lost us the game.  Confirmation bias at its finest.  ::)

Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #170 on: October 27, 2010, 10:13:11 AM »

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Jevi - I watched most of the game, and from what I saw - I cannot agree with you. Yes, we did lose the lead with Glen in the game, but Glen did in fact make a few good plays for us to preserve this big win.

IMO? We lost the lead due to KG going 4-11 (jitters?), some sloppy TEAM play, and Lebron trying to take over the game.

Not Glen, solely.

Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #171 on: October 27, 2010, 10:15:19 AM »

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C'mon Jevi - the man right up under your name plate there had nothing but praise for Glen........

Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #172 on: October 27, 2010, 10:16:33 AM »

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The Heat pulled within 4 but Big Baby once again stepped up in a big moment. He stepped in to force a charge and scored consecutive buckets down low and effectively shifted the momentum Boston's way.
Same ol...Once again, BCD(Big Collapse Davis) came into the game, we lost the huge lead...again, and he is credited with good play without any acknowledgment that the score was 55-40 before he got in.  Rondo was sitting at 14 assists for a while, the offense looked horrible again. This is my problem with Baby, why are the other 4 struggling with him in there? And why is Doc still watching this rotation lose leads? I understand hack a Shaq didn't help, but not as much as the usual BCD effect. The strength of Heat's run was with him on the floor.
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Rivers showed his faith in Davis, playing him for all but 33 seconds of the fourth quarter, when LeBron James reprised his Cavs' role as One Man Wrecking Crew and nearly stole the game.
Coincidence, nope. If you want me to give him credit for his effort when the score got close, sorry, because I was fuming watching this overplayed usual occurrence. Gee, why not play him the whole 4th, probably because Doc wanted to actually win. Hanna, Wilbon and the Jerk thought Doc should of used Shaq a bit more.
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"Right now, he's the fifth guy because he knows a lot of our stuff. JO [Jermaine O'Neal] and Shaq will get theirs [minutes], but we've got to make sure we milk Baby until then."
This is exactly why we don't enjoy comfortable leads anymore. BCD is the wrecking ball that hits the lead and everything the starting 4 built. I hope I don't ever see this rotation ever again against an elite opponent. It will just come back to bite us...AGAIN!
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=may_peter&id=5732208

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Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #173 on: October 27, 2010, 10:23:02 AM »

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Jevi - I watched most of the game, and from what I saw - I cannot agree with you. Yes, we did lose the lead with Glen in the game, but Glen did in fact make a few good plays for us to preserve this big win.

IMO? We lost the lead due to KG going 4-11 (jitters?), some sloppy TEAM play, and Lebron trying to take over the game.

Not Glen, solely.
KG? Didn't I use to hear that in regards to Sheed as the dilemma, when Baby was on the floor with him? So now it's KG like Rasheed was the problem, here we go again. The whole team struggled like the 2nd unit struggled last year. Why is this hard to notice the cause and result. I don't blame Baby, Doc's the one playing Russian roulette with this team's lead. It's team cohesion, at least admit it's just not there with BCD and the four starters.
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Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #174 on: October 27, 2010, 10:33:35 AM »

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Jevi, glad you're not our coach. Your irrationality is sufficient unto itself.
Baby played great last night, as always, and the team loves having him in there. His defense was absolute awesomeness.

Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #175 on: October 27, 2010, 10:38:44 AM »

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Jevi, Miami came back because Lebron started hitting every shot he took no matter what the defense was like. Pretty sure Baby was not covering him when this happened.

Rarely does Doc go out of his way to praise someone who has a bad game. He praised Baby after this game.

To me, Baby played excellent defense on Bosh. Rolled excellently on the pick and roll, and played excellent help defense.

The majority of the Baby haters point to how often he gets blocked with the ball under the hoop. Well he got blocked 0 times last night.

Also Doc made a comment the Shaq and JO weren't as comfortable in the offensive and defensive sets as Baby. I inferred this was why neither really played in the 4th. So Baby was the best, maybe even the only option in that situation, this early in the year.
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Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #176 on: October 27, 2010, 10:40:45 AM »

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It's one game, but I am thinking more and more that Perk may be the guy who will be traded, if they do decide they need to make a move with one of the big guys at the deadline. 

I think Davis will be gone after this season (price himself out), but he just fits in so well with what this team does, and just gets better and better at playing his role. 

Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #177 on: October 27, 2010, 11:29:25 AM »

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Wow, I was was thinking how lucky we are to have Baby coming off the bench for our team.  I thought he played awesome last night.  Very productive.
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Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #178 on: October 27, 2010, 11:39:11 AM »

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The Heat pulled within 4 but Big Baby once again stepped up in a big moment. He stepped in to force a charge and scored consecutive buckets down low and effectively shifted the momentum Boston's way.
Same ol...Once again, BCD(Big Collapse Davis) came into the game, we lost the huge lead...again, and he is credited with good play without any acknowledgment that the score was 55-40 before he got in.  Rondo was sitting at 14 assists for a while, the offense looked horrible again. This is my problem with Baby, why are the other 4 struggling with him in there? And why is Doc still watching this rotation lose leads? I understand hack a Shaq didn't help, but not as much as the usual BCD effect. The strength of Heat's run was with him on the floor.
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Rivers showed his faith in Davis, playing him for all but 33 seconds of the fourth quarter, when LeBron James reprised his Cavs' role as One Man Wrecking Crew and nearly stole the game.
Coincidence, nope. If you want me to give him credit for his effort when the score got close, sorry, because I was fuming watching this overplayed usual occurrence. Gee, why not play him the whole 4th, probably because Doc wanted to actually win. Hanna, Wilbon and the Jerk thought Doc should of used Shaq a bit more.
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"Right now, he's the fifth guy because he knows a lot of our stuff. JO [Jermaine O'Neal] and Shaq will get theirs [minutes], but we've got to make sure we milk Baby until then."
This is exactly why we don't enjoy comfortable leads anymore. BCD is the wrecking ball that hits the lead and everything the starting 4 built. I hope I don't ever see this rotation ever again against an elite opponent. It will just come back to bite us...AGAIN!
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=may_peter&id=5732208

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Re: Baby Complaining
« Reply #179 on: October 27, 2010, 11:42:51 AM »

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As I said in the off season, Davis is this team's sixth man and this year could well be in consideration for Sixth Man of the Year Award.

Jevi, I think your rants are going to become very ol,d very fast as Davis shows what a tremendous asset he is.