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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #120 on: September 14, 2010, 04:56:59 PM »

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And also, everyone besides Roy and Who, just because your team is in the West does not mean you shouldn't comment in the Eastern thread.

We've all got teams but I'm getting sick of just talking to KCattheStripe. He keeps trying to introduce Lebron's mom to Joakim Noah. Its getting awkward.

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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #121 on: September 14, 2010, 05:00:29 PM »

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And also, everyone besides Roy and Who, just because your team is in the West does not mean you shouldn't comment in the Eastern thread.

We've all got teams but I'm getting sick of just talking to KCattheStripe. He keeps trying to introduce Lebron's mom to Joakim Noah. Its getting awkward.

But those two just have such great Chemistry!

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #122 on: September 14, 2010, 05:04:10 PM »

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My esteemed colleague in Houston is correct (9-5 job, teaching 2 classes at night & planning a wedding at the end of the year).

How ironic too that Lucky17 and I (co-gms last year) would face off in the 1st round. It's no accident that our teams are similarly constructed. Great minds and all that....

I"ll keep this short for the reasons above and b/c of my respect for L17. TP my friend.

Feel the love. Right back at ya, GC.

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Why (IMO) Denver wins this series:
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1. Tim Duncan - still can't count out the big fella and I just dont think anyone on HOU can defend him in a playoff series.

In their last 6 games head to head, since January 2008, Dalembert's teams are 3-3 vs. Duncan's. Duncan has outscored Dalembert 112 to 54 in those games, which is no real surprise, given Dalembert's lack of offense and Duncan being the #1 option on his team. However, Dalembert outrebounded Duncan in those 6 games, by a 66 to 61 margin. Sam can hold his own on the boards vs. Duncan, and limit Denver's opportunities to score second chance points. Limiting Duncan to less than 20 points a game sounds like a good start for us to win this series. I'm confident that the help defense/doubling strategy I outlined earlier will further diminish Duncan's scoring output.

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2. Defense on Granger - Lucky rightfully points out that Granger is HOU's main offensive weapon, but unlike HOU's lack of matchup vs. our #1 guy, we can counter with one of the best wing defenders in the game in Trevor Ariza. For this matchup we'll also go at him with Josh Childress, but mostly Ariza.

As a SF, Ariza posts a PER of 15.2, vs. his opponents' 16.7. Granger normally posts an average PER of 21.1 as a SF (vs. his opponents 14.9).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=arizatr01&p2=grangda01

Just this past season, in their two games head to head, Granger posted a 36 point night vs. Ariza, and an 18 point night (in only 22 minutes of play). I think the difference between our respective #1s and their main defenders is not at all in Denver's favor.

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3. Backcourt defense - I'm high on OJ Mayo as an offensive threat and think TParker will return to form this year, but they will be facing 2 of the better defensive guards in Westbrook & Ronnie Brewer (who will start vs. Mayo; letting Thronton come off the bench in a Manu-like role).

Ironic that we both look to start a defensive SG to neutralize our opponent's presumptive starter. I think the backcourt battles are essentially a wash. The PG battle between starters will be an exciting one, and perhaps a slight edge overall to Westbrook, but I think my SG tandem (Afflalo/Mayo) and backup PG (Sessions) are slightly better than Denver's (Thornton/Brewer, Blake)

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4. Westbrook - I think I'm higher on Westbrook than most, but lost in Durant's emergence is the fact that WB is clearly developing into a 1A talent alongside Durant in OKC. Players that step their game up (like WB did) in the playoffs show me they're ready to make a leap. It's not dissimilar to Parker's emergence in his 2nd year (and the Spurs' finals run).

No question, Westbrook is rounding into a solid player. But he's still an inconsistent/poor shooter. I envision putting Afflalo on him, disrupting Westbrook's ability to drive to the basket and create for his teammates.

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5. HOU defense - Outside of the hot/cold Dalembert and maybe Afflalo there are few above-average defenders on HOU. The criticism of DEN has been a potential lack of scoring, but that is not amplified at all vs. HOU, and may be helped vs. guys like Diaw and  Mayo who are uncommited on the defensive end.

Mayo won't be expected to play great defense on a nightly basis, although I think he'd do well vs. Thornton. Still, as I pointed out earlier. I have four players in Diaw, Granger, Hickson, and Jerebko who each averaged better than 0.5 steals and 0.5 blocks per game. I've got great length and versatility in my forward rotation, plus a superior backup C in Pachulia (vs. the phlegmatic Darko).

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Why DEN might lose:
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1. Haters are always gonna hate  ;)

2. If Duncan gets hurt HOU wins going away.

3. If JVG, my pick for coach who Lucky of course stole, gets HOU to play a brand of defense they've not played individually before.

I'd add #4: if Denver can't hit open jumpers. I'll take my chances daring the Nuggets to beat me from the perimeter.
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #123 on: September 14, 2010, 05:11:28 PM »

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a TP for Lucky who's a gentleman and a scholar (but who will get bounced in the 1st round  ;))... PER? Stats? I didn't realize there'd be thinking involved here.



my half-baked votes in the West...
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Phoenix
LA Clippers
Sacramento
Denver



notes:
PHO/NO -- a rout; Howard is too much for N.O. and I'm higher on B.Davis than most evidently.

LAC/UTA -- i just don't think Yao will be "Yao" or stay healthy; and i think Calderon is a *big* negative at PG. Much of TOR's lack of playoff performance has been put on Bosh, but JC is just as guilty IMO.

SAC/LAL -- 6 games....Rose is the difference IMO; Curry not a good enough defender yet to slow him. Boozer manhandles Beasley

DEN/HOU - the HOU GM is funny looking and kinda weird, right?
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #124 on: September 14, 2010, 05:16:16 PM »

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PG: Russell Westbrook, Steve Blake, Daniel Gibson
SG: Marcus Thornton, Ronnie Brewer
SF: Tervor Ariza, Josh Childress
PF: Taj Gibson, James Singleton, Darrell Arthur
C:  Tim Duncan, Darko Milicic, Aaron Gray

PG: Tony Parker, Ramon Sessions
SG: Arron Afflalo, O.J. Mayo
SF: Danny Granger, Jonas Jerebko, Austin Daye, Trenton Hassell
PF: Boris Diaw, J.J. Hickson, [Jerebko]
C:  Sam Dalembert, Zaza Pachulia, Dan Gadzuric

Okay. Look at how close these two teams are. It is ridiculous.

HOU Best Player: Danny Granger Den Counter: Tervor Ariza
-Ariza is a good defender, but not an elite one. He's got the length and ability to defend Granger, without letting Granger drop 40 on him. Ariza has proven himself to be a somewhat limited player offensively though.

Den Best Player: Tim Duncan HOU counter: Sam Dalembert
-Dalembert is a good defender, but not an elite one. He's got the length and ability to defend Duncan, witouth letting Duncan drop 30 on him. Dalembert has proven himself to be a limited player offensively though.

Advantage: Denver.

Point guard: Russell Westbrook V Tony Parker
-2 fast PG's, Westbrook has a more well-rounded game at this point, while Parker is a better offensive player.

Backup PG: Ramon Sessions, Steve Blake
Blake and Sessions are both pass first PG's. Sessions can get into the lane, Blake can shoot a 3.

SG's Marcus Thorton/Ronnie Brewer V Arron Afflalo/OJ Mayo
-1 offensive guard, one defensive guard that is offensively limited.

PF: Taj Gibson/Darrell Arthur V Boris Diaw/JJ Hickson
-Gibson over Diaw, Hickson (way) over Arthur, but everyone is pretty close here too.

I guess they're legitimately even in my mind. I'd pick the one with Tim Duncan personally, because I think he's a galvanizing force that is capable of making his teams better on offense and defense while Danny Granger seems to just be one of the best players in the NBA at putting a ball through a hoop.

I agree, we are extremely evenly matched.

I just commented on the #1 vs. defender comparison, which I think is fairly even.

I fail to see why people continue to underrate Afflalo's abilities on offense. He's extremely efficient and knocks down at least one three a game at a 40+% clip. Perhaps the only other person who seen as much of his play as I have is GC, and I have a feeling he won't say much about him here.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3187

At the very least, he is a better shooter than Brewer.

I'd also point to Pachulia vs. Darko, and Jerebko's ability to back up both the SF and PF slots. I think both of those advantages on my side help give my team the overall edge. Houston is the deeper team, and in a seven game series that plans to be a real battle, that edge will prove to be the difference-maker.
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #125 on: September 14, 2010, 05:38:47 PM »

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PG: Russell Westbrook, Steve Blake, Daniel Gibson
SG: Marcus Thornton, Ronnie Brewer
SF: Tervor Ariza, Josh Childress
PF: Taj Gibson, James Singleton, Darrell Arthur
C:  Tim Duncan, Darko Milicic, Aaron Gray

PG: Tony Parker, Ramon Sessions
SG: Arron Afflalo, O.J. Mayo
SF: Danny Granger, Jonas Jerebko, Austin Daye, Trenton Hassell
PF: Boris Diaw, J.J. Hickson, [Jerebko]
C:  Sam Dalembert, Zaza Pachulia, Dan Gadzuric

Okay. Look at how close these two teams are. It is ridiculous.

HOU Best Player: Danny Granger Den Counter: Tervor Ariza
-Ariza is a good defender, but not an elite one. He's got the length and ability to defend Granger, without letting Granger drop 40 on him. Ariza has proven himself to be a somewhat limited player offensively though.

Den Best Player: Tim Duncan HOU counter: Sam Dalembert
-Dalembert is a good defender, but not an elite one. He's got the length and ability to defend Duncan, witouth letting Duncan drop 30 on him. Dalembert has proven himself to be a limited player offensively though.

Advantage: Denver.

Point guard: Russell Westbrook V Tony Parker
-2 fast PG's, Westbrook has a more well-rounded game at this point, while Parker is a better offensive player.

Backup PG: Ramon Sessions, Steve Blake
Blake and Sessions are both pass first PG's. Sessions can get into the lane, Blake can shoot a 3.

SG's Marcus Thorton/Ronnie Brewer V Arron Afflalo/OJ Mayo
-1 offensive guard, one defensive guard that is offensively limited.

PF: Taj Gibson/Darrell Arthur V Boris Diaw/JJ Hickson
-Gibson over Diaw, Hickson (way) over Arthur, but everyone is pretty close here too.

I guess they're legitimately even in my mind. I'd pick the one with Tim Duncan personally, because I think he's a galvanizing force that is capable of making his teams better on offense and defense while Danny Granger seems to just be one of the best players in the NBA at putting a ball through a hoop.

I agree, we are extremely evenly matched.

I just commented on the #1 vs. defender comparison, which I think is fairly even.

I fail to see why people continue to underrate Afflalo's abilities on offense. He's extremely efficient and knocks down at least one three a game at a 40+% clip. Perhaps the only other person who seen as much of his play as I have is GC, and I have a feeling he won't say much about him here.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=3187

At the very least, he is a better shooter than Brewer.

I'd also point to Pachulia vs. Darko, and Jerebko's ability to back up both the SF and PF slots. I think both of those advantages on my side help give my team the overall edge. Houston is the deeper team, and in a seven game series that plans to be a real battle, that edge will prove to be the difference-maker.

Like i said it's kinda ironic that Lucky17 and I are facing each other in the 1st round.... we were co-GM's last year and approach building a team the same way.

But c'mon... he lives in beautiful Portland and I'm sweating to death down here in Gainesville.... help a brother out. Vote DENVER!!
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #126 on: September 14, 2010, 05:42:22 PM »

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Like i said it's kinda ironic that Lucky17 and I are facing each other in the 1st round.... we were co-GM's last year and approach building a team the same way.

But c'mon... he lives in beautiful Portland and I'm sweating to death down here in Gainesville.... help a brother out. Vote DENVER!!

Tomorrow the rains come again, and they don't leave until March.

Rain, every day until March. Think about that.

Vote Houston, or it will be raining in my heart as well. :'(
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #127 on: September 14, 2010, 05:43:55 PM »

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[Kidding about the rain until March thing. It really is quite beautiful here. But, o, my aching heart should Denver win this playoff matchup. I was serious about that.]
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #128 on: September 14, 2010, 06:12:49 PM »

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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #129 on: September 14, 2010, 07:02:42 PM »

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My votes:

Phoenix over New Orleans. New Orleans is no pushover in this matchup, but I think that Davis overpowers Holiday on more than one night, while Howard will be too much too handle.

Utah over Clippers. I had the Clips as a bubble team. I don't see how a team with little rotation depth (no legit backup C for Wallace, no true/rotation-worthy backup SF) can outlast Utah.

Sacramento over LA Lakers. Kings' superior depth, veteran experience, and balance lead them to victory over a game Lakers squad.

Houston over Denver: a great series. But I gotta back my guys here.
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #130 on: September 14, 2010, 07:08:02 PM »

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Houston

I like the Bucs but Howard is all over Cousins.  LA vs. Sacto is close, but I have the Lakers edging them out.  Houston and Denver is close too, I had them 2nd and 3rd respectively.  Duncan might pull it off, but he'll need a lot of help from Westbrook.
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David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #131 on: September 14, 2010, 07:13:26 PM »

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I like the Bucs but Howard is all over Cousins.  LA vs. Sacto is close, but I have the Lakers edging them out.  Houston and Denver is close too, I had them 2nd and 3rd respectively.  Duncan might pull it off, but he'll need a lot of help from Westbrook.

For the sake of my own curiosity only, what is it that you liked about the Lakers over the Kings?  I like their backcourt, but I'm 100% unconvinced by the Lakers up front.


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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #132 on: September 14, 2010, 07:37:11 PM »

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My picks were


Phoenix.  I like Howard and the vet presence in the starting lineup.  I wish they had one more vet big man.  The GM is going to need to step up his game to survive the next round though.  He will not be getting any more teams that have such unproven players that will take time to develop at such important spots.  (PG and C)

Sac.  Good depth.  A lot of playoff experience on that team and the team can score.  Randolph worried me as they go forward.



Utah.  Size kills.  I see the team controlling both boards in a slow playoff paced game.


Denver.  I always love Duncan in the playoffs. 

Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #133 on: September 14, 2010, 07:38:10 PM »

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I like the Bucs but Howard is all over Cousins.  LA vs. Sacto is close, but I have the Lakers edging them out.  Houston and Denver is close too, I had them 2nd and 3rd respectively.  Duncan might pull it off, but he'll need a lot of help from Westbrook.

For the sake of my own curiosity only, what is it that you liked about the Lakers over the Kings?  I like their backcourt, but I'm 100% unconvinced by the Lakers up front.
I think the wildcard will be Beasley.  If he can play efficiently I think he's the perfect compliment to Roy and Curry.  He'll give them that 3rd option advantage and allow Prince to be a huge 4th option advantage over Garcia.  Of course, Beasley can just as easily lose the series for them.  You have a slight advantage in rebounding and down low presence with Boozer, but I'm not sure it's enough.  I'll say it again, this series is definitely close.
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Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
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Re: CB Draft '10 Playoffs Western Conference
« Reply #134 on: September 14, 2010, 07:38:28 PM »

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Denver.  I always love Duncan in the playoffs.  

I just felt a raindrop. Wait, sorry, that was a tear.
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