CB Draft '10 Playoffs First Round Eastern Conference

[action781]

Looking forward to answering any questions!!

[action781]

Not in the playoffs they didn't.  Fisher scored MORE points in 8 LESS minutes per game against BETTER defenders.  I've been pleading this the whole time.  Fisher... doesn't give a crap during the regular season.  Just like the celtics.  He is a seasoned veteran.  He knows when it counts.  And he steps up when it counts.  This right here, the CBNBA playoffs, is WHERE IT COUNTS!

And ask yourself these two questions:  When's the last time you remember Jason Kidd having a good post season?  When's the last time you remember Derek Fisher having a good post season?  I'm not sure about the first question to be honest.  But I know the answer to the second questions is ALWAYS.  Remember where we are.  The game changes in the playoffs.

[StartOrien]

To me this contest comes down to which superstar has the better mismatch:

And in this case it's Dirk over Thomas/Maxiell.

[Rondo2287]

I also have a great deal of respect for indianna, but the idea that derek fisher is an advantage over Jason Kidd is nonsensical.  Not only is Jason Kidd a better Rebounder, Distributer, and Shooter... wait do i even need to say more or should i leave it at better rebounder, shooter and distributer.  

Furthermore, alot of stock is being put in the Ability of Pietrus who need i remind you couldn't start ahead of my backup SF.

And since when is going to the whole a bad thing on offense?  Maggette is one of the premiere slashers on the game who would get pietrus in foul trouble very early in the games and leave him to be a non-factor anyways.

[action781]

Maggette vs. Pietrus

Maggette is a very limited offensive player.  He wants to drive to the hole and puts up a lot of numbers on pretty bad teams.  He’s only really once played for a team that made a decent playoff run.  Pietrus, on the other hand, has been a key player for a deep playoff team for two consecutive years.  What was his role on that team?  Playing defense and hitting 3 pointers with the occasional slash to the hoop.  He has the size and speed to stay in front of Maggette and will frustrate him into a poor shot selection.  He will also get his 10 ppg like IP said in 28 mpg.  Korver will also get some playing time when Pietrus or Kobe go to the bench.  While we lose defense, we gain an even more accurate 3 point shooter.  So as every team loses something when they go to the bench, it’s important that we gain something too.  Indy will try to play him when Barnes plays to risk getting abused on defense.

I wrote this without internet access so you'll notice no real statistical analysis.

Corey Maggette will be forced to become a jumpshooter this series.  Like I said, Pietrus is strong and athletic enough to stay in front of Maggette, who just wants to drive to the hole and draw fouls.  Maggette is a career 32% 3pt shooter, while shooting below 30% for 2 consecutive years.

Maggette has ONCE played for a playoff team (4 seasons ago), where he started 2 out of 12 games and averaged 15 ppg in 24 minutes.  This guy is not a winner.  Why did zero contenders want him when GS was dying to give him away if he is a truly special piece for a contending playoff team?

Yes, Maggette is one of the premier slashers in the league.  But Pietrus is one of the premier perimeter defenders in the leauge.  We will force Maggette to be a jumpshooter which will keep Pietrus from getting in foul trouble.

[wdleehi]

My picks.


Chi - not enough defense to stop Lebron.  I have only seen great team defenses stop Lebron in the playoffs the past few years.


Bucks - Good talent depth.  Good playoff experience.  I expect them to move through this round

Atlanta.  Solid roll players around Durrant.  Roll players from playoff teams. 

NY.   I like Wade.  Manu and Duncan got to the 2nd round, a major downgrade to Bynum (who likely will be injured) isn't enough to get past Wade.

[action781]

I also have a great deal of respect for indianna, but the idea that derek fisher is an advantage over Jason Kidd is nonsensical.  Not only is Jason Kidd a better Rebounder, Distributer, and Shooter... wait do i even need to say more or should i leave it at better rebounder, shooter and distributer.  

Furthermore, alot of stock is being put in the Ability of Pietrus who need i remind you couldn't start ahead of my backup SF.

And since when is going to the whole a bad thing on offense?  Maggette is one of the premiere slashers on the game who would get pietrus in foul trouble very early in the games and leave him to be a non-factor anyways.

When you say Jason Kidd is a better shooter, you, again, are referring to regular season.  

For his large sample size of 199 career playoff games, Derek Fisher has a 43% fg% and shoots 40% from 3.  Jason Kidd, on the other hand, has shot 40% fg% and 32% from 3 over his playoff career of 121 games.

It sounds like your claim that Jason Kidd is a better shooter in the playoffs than Derek Fisher is the most nonsensical claim I see.

I'll refrain from caps, but can we all please do our playoff research before making claims about Derek Fisher?  The guy is a baller in the playoffs!  It's why I drafted him!  It's part of why he has 5 rings!!

p.s. While J-Kidd unquestionably is a better distributor than Fisher, it should not go unnoticed that Fisher has averaged only 1.05 turnovers per game in 28 mpg over his playoff career.  Jason Kidd has averaged 3.06.  Undeniable that Kidd is the better distributor and passer, but Fisher is a steady hand in the playoffs who does NOT make mistakes in critical moments.

[action781]

My picks.

Bucks - Good talent depth.  Good playoff experience.  I expect them to move through this round

Again, respect for Milwaukee here.  But how can you credit them with good playoff experience when they are being compared with Derek Fisher, Kobe Bryant, Mickael Pietrus, and possibly Rasheed Wallace (who I haven't mentioned yet).  Thats a minimum of 10 rings to 1. 

[Rondo2287]

Maggette vs. Pietrus

Maggette is a very limited offensive player.  He wants to drive to the hole and puts up a lot of numbers on pretty bad teams.  He’s only really once played for a team that made a decent playoff run.  Pietrus, on the other hand, has been a key player for a deep playoff team for two consecutive years.  What was his role on that team?  Playing defense and hitting 3 pointers with the occasional slash to the hoop.  He has the size and speed to stay in front of Maggette and will frustrate him into a poor shot selection.  He will also get his 10 ppg like IP said in 28 mpg.  Korver will also get some playing time when Pietrus or Kobe go to the bench.  While we lose defense, we gain an even more accurate 3 point shooter.  So as every team loses something when they go to the bench, it’s important that we gain something too.  Indy will try to play him when Barnes plays to risk getting abused on defense.

I wrote this without internet access so you'll notice no real statistical analysis.

Corey Maggette will be forced to become a jumpshooter this series.  Like I said, Pietrus is strong and athletic enough to stay in front of Maggette, who just wants to drive to the hole and draw fouls.  Maggette is a career 32% 3pt shooter, while shooting below 30% for 2 consecutive years.

Maggette has ONCE played for a playoff team (4 seasons ago), where he started 2 out of 12 games and averaged 15 ppg in 24 minutes.  This guy is not a winner.  Why did zero contenders want him when GS was dying to give him away if he is a truly special piece for a contending playoff team?

Yes, Maggette is one of the premier slashers in the league.  But Pietrus is one of the premier perimeter defenders in the leauge.  We will force Maggette to be a jumpshooter which will keep Pietrus from getting in foul trouble.

Talk about starting games, you are relying on a guy who has started less than 33% of his career games and has never been a started a playoff game.

[wdleehi]

My picks.

Bucks - Good talent depth.  Good playoff experience.  I expect them to move through this round

Again, respect for Milwaukee here.  But how can you credit them with good playoff experience when they are being compared with Derek Fisher, Kobe Bryant, Mickael Pietrus, and possibly Rasheed Wallace (who I haven't mentioned yet).  Thats a minimum of 10 rings to 1. 

Because it is Kobe, his coattail rider and a guy who's back is so done, he has retired.  


I have seen Kobe and Fisher without a top big man.  They were either the 8th seed or out of the playoffs.  Never got out of the 1st round.  Why should this be any different?

[action781]

My picks.

Bucks - Good talent depth.  Good playoff experience.  I expect them to move through this round

Again, respect for Milwaukee here.  But how can you credit them with good playoff experience when they are being compared with Derek Fisher, Kobe Bryant, Mickael Pietrus, and possibly Rasheed Wallace (who I haven't mentioned yet).  Thats a minimum of 10 rings to 1. 

Because it is Kobe, his coattail rider and a guy who's back is so done, he has retired.  


I have seen Kobe and Fisher without a top big man.  They were either the 8th seed or out of the playoffs.  Never got out of the 1st round.  Why should this be any different?

We have Marc Gasol, a rising big man in the league who is a 16-10 guy or more.  He's not Kwame Brown who was the Lakers' former big man.

[StartOrien]

I also have a great deal of respect for indianna, but the idea that derek fisher is an advantage over Jason Kidd is nonsensical.  Not only is Jason Kidd a better Rebounder, Distributer, and Shooter... wait do i even need to say more or should i leave it at better rebounder, shooter and distributer.  

Furthermore, alot of stock is being put in the Ability of Pietrus who need i remind you couldn't start ahead of my backup SF.

And since when is going to the whole a bad thing on offense?  Maggette is one of the premiere slashers on the game who would get pietrus in foul trouble very early in the games and leave him to be a non-factor anyways.

When you say Jason Kidd is a better shooter, you, again, are referring to regular season.  

For his large sample size of 199 career playoff games, Derek Fisher has a 43% fg% and shoots 40% from 3.  Jason Kidd, on the other hand, has shot 40% fg% and 32% from 3 over his playoff career of 121 games.

It sounds like your claim that Jason Kidd is a better shooter in the playoffs than Derek Fisher is the most nonsensical claim I see.

I'll refrain from caps, but can we all please do our playoff research before making claims about Derek Fisher?  The guy is a baller in the playoffs!  It's why I drafted him!  It's part of why he has 5 rings!!

Jason Kidd career playoff stat line: 14.8 points, 7.4 rebounds, 8.8 assists

Derek Fisher career playoff stat line: 8.9 points, 2.4 rebounds, 2.6 assists.

While Kidd struggled shooting wise .304 in this years playoffs he also contributed in other fashions with 7 asists per game and 6.8 rebounds per game.

Fisher shot at a much higher percentage of .448 but only averaged 2.3 reboudns per contest and 2.5 assists to go with his 10 points per game.

[wdleehi]

My picks.

Bucks - Good talent depth.  Good playoff experience.  I expect them to move through this round

Again, respect for Milwaukee here.  But how can you credit them with good playoff experience when they are being compared with Derek Fisher, Kobe Bryant, Mickael Pietrus, and possibly Rasheed Wallace (who I haven't mentioned yet).  Thats a minimum of 10 rings to 1. 

Because it is Kobe, his coattail rider and a guy who's back is so done, he has retired.  


I have seen Kobe and Fisher without a top big man.  They were either the 8th seed or out of the playoffs.  Never got out of the 1st round.  Why should this be any different?

We have Marc Gasol, a rising big man in the league who is a 16-10 guy or more.  He's not Kwame Brown who was the Lakers' former big man.

He is also not his brother or Shaq in his prime.  He is not as good as Odom (who was on those laker teams). 

[action781]

I also have a great deal of respect for indianna, but the idea that derek fisher is an advantage over Jason Kidd is nonsensical.  Not only is Jason Kidd a better Rebounder, Distributer, and Shooter... wait do i even need to say more or should i leave it at better rebounder, shooter and distributer.  

Furthermore, alot of stock is being put in the Ability of Pietrus who need i remind you couldn't start ahead of my backup SF.

And since when is going to the whole a bad thing on offense?  Maggette is one of the premiere slashers on the game who would get pietrus in foul trouble very early in the games and leave him to be a non-factor anyways.

When you say Jason Kidd is a better shooter, you, again, are referring to regular season.  

For his large sample size of 199 career playoff games, Derek Fisher has a 43% fg% and shoots 40% from 3.  Jason Kidd, on the other hand, has shot 40% fg% and 32% from 3 over his playoff career of 121 games.

It sounds like your claim that Jason Kidd is a better shooter in the playoffs than Derek Fisher is the most nonsensical claim I see.

I'll refrain from caps, but can we all please do our playoff research before making claims about Derek Fisher?  The guy is a baller in the playoffs!  It's why I drafted him!  It's part of why he has 5 rings!!

Jason Kidd career playoff stat line: 14.8 points, 7.4 rebounds, 8.8 assists

Derek Fisher career playoff stat line: 8.9 points, 2.4 rebounds, 2.6 assists.

While Kidd struggled shooting wise .304 in this years playoffs he also contributed in other fashions with 7 asists per game and 6.8 rebounds per game.

Fisher shot at a much higher percentage of .448 but only averaged 2.3 reboudns per contest and 2.5 assists to go with his 10 points per game.

Correct.  I'm not denying Kidd's all around talents.  I'm trying to praise Fisher's advantages over Kidd in this matchup:  more scoring at a higher fg, 3pt, and ft %'s and only 1/3 of the turnovers that Kidd will have.

[action781]

My picks.

Bucks - Good talent depth.  Good playoff experience.  I expect them to move through this round

Again, respect for Milwaukee here.  But how can you credit them with good playoff experience when they are being compared with Derek Fisher, Kobe Bryant, Mickael Pietrus, and possibly Rasheed Wallace (who I haven't mentioned yet).  Thats a minimum of 10 rings to 1. 

Because it is Kobe, his coattail rider and a guy who's back is so done, he has retired.  


I have seen Kobe and Fisher without a top big man.  They were either the 8th seed or out of the playoffs.  Never got out of the 1st round.  Why should this be any different?

We have Marc Gasol, a rising big man in the league who is a 16-10 guy or more.  He's not Kwame Brown who was the Lakers' former big man.

He is also not his brother or Shaq in his prime.  He is not as good as Odom (who was on those laker teams). 

Hmmmm.  I'd disagree.  Talent-wise, you may have a case.  But if you were to build a team from scratch to win the playoffs and your first choice is:  you can take either Marc Gasol at center or Lamar Odom at PF, who do you choose?  My answer is Marc Gasol.  I'd think most of you answer the same, but maybe a few don't.