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Re: CB Draft Ballot Results! (link to file on page 8 and page 1)
« Reply #180 on: September 13, 2010, 05:16:38 PM »

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Again, draft positions don't display anything more than what I (or in a few cases someone else) feel the value of the palyer is.

Dwight Howard (1.4)
Baron Davis (3.12)
John Salmons (4.4)
Antawn Jamison (4.18)
Hedo Turkoglu (5.3)
Terrence Williams (6.2)
Wesley Matthews (6.9)
Greg Monroe (6.12)

Rudy Fernandez (7.6)
Ed Davis (8.28)

EDIT: And yes, I did post this strictly because I'm pretty proud of the job I did in getting a lot of value picks.
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Re: CB Draft Ballot Results! (link to file on page 8 and page 1)
« Reply #181 on: September 13, 2010, 05:25:46 PM »

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I would rather have Wes Matthews than Raja Bell at this point.

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« Reply #182 on: September 13, 2010, 05:34:24 PM »

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I would rather have Wes Matthews than Raja Bell at this point.

Are you sure you know who you're talking about? Wes Matthews, undrafted completely unhyped guard from marquette?

I'm pretty sure its the first time you've mentioned him.

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Re: CB Draft Ballot Results! (link to file on page 8 and page 1)
« Reply #183 on: September 13, 2010, 05:37:41 PM »

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I would rather have Wes Matthews than Raja Bell at this point.
Two pretty comparable players ...

And that's assuming Raja Bell can get back to where he was in 2008/09 before his injury which is questionable + not including the possibility of Wes Matthews showing improvement over last season.

Add those two factors into the mix and Wes Matthews is definitely the guy to take.

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« Reply #184 on: September 13, 2010, 05:46:50 PM »

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I would rather have Wes Matthews than Raja Bell at this point.
Two pretty comparable players ...

And that's assuming Raja Bell can get back to where he was in 2008/09 before his injury which is questionable + not including the possibility of Wes Matthews showing improvement over last season.

Add those two factors into the mix and Wes Matthews is definitely the guy to take.

I wouldn't disagree too strongly. Numbers are comparable. And Matthews has been certainly been successful - in every sense, including $ - out of the gates. This season will be an interesting test, particularly given that Bell replaces him as Utah's starting shooting guard. But might be hard for Matthews to find comparable minutes as a reserve in Portland?

I'm not worried about Bell's recovery. He's had more than enough time and it was the wrist of his non-shooting hand. Age and the wear-and-tear of a 10 year NBA career are more of a concern frankly.

But in this case, the question is Eric Gordon versus Wes Matthews and Raja Bell versus Terrence Williams. Williams has an even higher upside than Matthews and can be thrilling to watch - but I don't trust his decision making in a tense playoff series or even know which position is his natural one.

Obviously I'm biased, but if I'm trying to win a first round match-up today. I take Eric Gordon - far and away the most gifted offensive player of the four - and Bell over Matthews and T. Will.

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« Reply #185 on: September 13, 2010, 06:07:58 PM »

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Dwight Howard roamed freely against Al Horford in the playoffs last season.

Well Horford shot 48% from 16'-23'. League average was 39.7%. I need to go back and take a look at his # of attempts. But would you first buy a blanket condemnation of Mike Woodson's offense? Al had a criminally low usage rate for such an efficient player. Coach Woodson's strong preference was for dangerous, ball massaging 2s, Johnson and Crawford.

Can we agree Phoenix is going to need the help anyway? Given the unreliable defensive efforts of Jamison, Davis, Turkolgu?

Here's another picked-from-the-ether stat:

Prior to joining the Cavs, Jamison had played for 7 bottom five defenses in 11 seasons. And played for a team that ranked in the top half just once. In his lockout-shortened rookie year, Golden State ranked 12th.
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Re: CB Draft Ballot Results! (link to file on page 8 and page 1)
« Reply #186 on: September 13, 2010, 06:39:50 PM »

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Dwight Howard roamed freely against Al Horford in the playoffs last season.

Well Horford shot 48% from 16'-23'. League average was 39.7%. I need to go back and take a look at his # of attempts. But would you first buy a blanket condemnation of Mike Woodson's offense? Al had a criminally low usage rate for such an efficient player. Coach Woodson's strong preference was for dangerous, ball massaging 2s, Johnson and Crawford.

Can we agree Phoenix is going to need the help anyway? Given the unreliable defensive efforts of Jamison, Davis, Turkolgu?

Here's another picked-from-the-ether stat:

Prior to joining the Cavs, Jamison had played for 7 bottom five defenses in 11 seasons. And played for a team that ranked in the top half just once. In his lockout-shortened rookie year, Golden State ranked 12th.
Al Horford will make the odd jump shot here and there but he isn't going to kill you.

Orlando had Dwight Howard roam off of Horford all series long and that was the main reason why Atlanta's offense flat-lined. Their isolation heavy offense couldn't function because whenever Joe beat his man he had Dwight Howard waiting for him two steps away and standing between him and the basket. Led to a lot of contested jump shots off the dribble. It was Horford's inability to keep Dwight Howard honest defensively that killed Atlanta's offense in that series.

I thought Mike Woodson handled Horford fairly well offensively. He wasn't a go-to scoring threat as a starting center. He will have more advantageous matchups in the post against power forwards though so he'll be more of a scoring threat on your squad.

But last season, I thought Mike Woodson got the most out of Horford that he could have. Horford was as efficient as he was because of his small role offensively. He wouldn't have been able to able to be as effective an offensive player in a larger role. The team was best off with Horford playing the role he played.

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Baron Davis is a good defender + has a matchup advantage over your point guards. Jrue Holiday and Beno Udrih aren't talented enough offensively to force a defense to collapse consistently anyway.

I think Jrue will post good point per game numbers next season but his scoring efficiency still needs a lot of work and I don't know how long that will take to come. I'm going to have to see it before I give him credit for it (scoring efficiency).

As I wrote earlier, Gerald Wallace has a matchup advantage against both Hedo Turkoglu and John Salmons so he'll force the Suns to help.

Al Horford also has a matchup advantage against Antawn Jamison. There is simply no way that Jamison can cover Horford in the post.

When Cousins gets in foul trouble or is simply being abused by Dwight ... then Horford will have to switch to center to defend Dwight. That will allow Jamison to defend someone else. Jamison can defend McDyess or Mosgov well enough. If you go small and force Jamison to play G.Wallace, then Wallace will have a matchup advantage against Jamison too.

Eric Gordon has a matchup advantage at the two. He scores his points on a remarkably low number of touches/shots though. He is more of a third option offensively. Not a guy who forces the issue ... just lets the game come to him and takes what is available. He'll be a big weapon offensively because of this but he won't force the defense out of position very often.

Re: CB Draft Ballot Results! (link to file on page 8 and page 1)
« Reply #187 on: September 13, 2010, 06:59:10 PM »

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Interesting ...

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After a hard summer of work, LaMarcus Aldridge has added 20 pounds to his 6-11 frame and is now weighing 260 pounds.

“L.A. is a lot stronger, but the quickness and explosion is still there,” says Bill Bayno, the Portland assistant coach who spent three weeks working with Aldridge in his native Dallas.

Aldridge called Bayno and asked him to come to Dallas for some personal workouts.

"We worked on being physical in the drive game, when (defenders) crowd him and try to force him to shoot a fadeaway jumper,” Bayno says. “We worked a lot on his left-hand attack, on trying to get fouled by creating contact. I felt good leaving there. I think it will translate onto the court this season.”

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« Reply #188 on: September 13, 2010, 07:04:59 PM »

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Very. L.A. could become a very dangerous player if he starts to get to the rim and the free throw line more often.

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« Reply #189 on: September 13, 2010, 07:20:27 PM »

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Also interesting, although perhaps not in the same way:

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69100/20100913/kings_want_dalembert_to_focus_on_offense/#

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The 76ers asked Samuel Dalembert to focus on his defense while in Philadelphia, but the center says the Kings want a little something different.

"In Philadelphia, I was asked to focus more on defense. But with the Kings, they expect me to play a more offensive role. I'll be able to accomplish many more things with my new team," Dalembert said.

"The Kings were trying to get my services for two years and I also wanted a change," he added. "So it is a wish come true for both parties. I join a team that wanted me and it was also my will. Everything is for the best."
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Re: CB Draft Ballot Results! (link to file on page 8 and page 1)
« Reply #190 on: September 13, 2010, 07:25:16 PM »

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Also interesting, although perhaps not in the same way:

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69100/20100913/kings_want_dalembert_to_focus_on_offense/#

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The 76ers asked Samuel Dalembert to focus on his defense while in Philadelphia, but the center says the Kings want a little something different.

"In Philadelphia, I was asked to focus more on defense. But with the Kings, they expect me to play a more offensive role. I'll be able to accomplish many more things with my new team," Dalembert said.

"The Kings were trying to get my services for two years and I also wanted a change," he added. "So it is a wish come true for both parties. I join a team that wanted me and it was also my will. Everything is for the best."

Wow.  Having watched Dalembert play, that's similar to if the Celtics told Perk to focus more on his offense.  Odd decision.


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« Reply #191 on: September 13, 2010, 07:29:50 PM »

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Just read the excel file.  No one other than GMs voted?
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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« Reply #192 on: September 13, 2010, 07:35:47 PM »

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Also interesting, although perhaps not in the same way:

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/69100/20100913/kings_want_dalembert_to_focus_on_offense/#

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The 76ers asked Samuel Dalembert to focus on his defense while in Philadelphia, but the center says the Kings want a little something different.

"In Philadelphia, I was asked to focus more on defense. But with the Kings, they expect me to play a more offensive role. I'll be able to accomplish many more things with my new team," Dalembert said.

"The Kings were trying to get my services for two years and I also wanted a change," he added. "So it is a wish come true for both parties. I join a team that wanted me and it was also my will. Everything is for the best."

Wow.  Having watched Dalembert play, that's similar to if the Celtics told Perk to focus more on his offense.  Odd decision.

Yeah. As I said, it's "interesting". As in the Chinese saying, "May you live in interesting times".
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« Reply #193 on: September 13, 2010, 07:38:44 PM »

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Just read the excel file.  No one other than GMs voted?

GMs, plus myself (takeover GM) and Fafnir.


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« Reply #194 on: September 13, 2010, 07:42:04 PM »

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Just read the excel file.  No one other than GMs voted?

GMs, plus myself (takeover GM) and Fafnir.
Didn't dark lord vote?
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale