Celtics will regret not re-signing Tony

[xmuscularghandix]

Didn’t Tony leave for a bigger role? I don’t think we were offering less, i think he just was sick of being a role player... he can show his whole game in Memphis

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Maybe off the bench; that remains to be seen.  Among starters, though, Paul and Ray did a great job on those guys.

@ Roy, Do you think at this point of their career Ray & Pierce play the kind defense this team needs, and still be able to produce offensively? If last season was any indication, Celtics are in for a rude awakening.

The Celtics lost their starting center in Game 6, but still came within 6 minutes of an NBA title.  They've since upgraded.  I think they'll be fine; they're still clearly one to the top three teams in the NBA.

With the injury to Perk and the departure of Tony, the defense will probably be a little better.  However, the offense should also be appreciably better; Tony only averaged 3.6 ppg in the Lakers series, for instance.

Perkins AVG 5.8ppg in that series also. So I don't understand that point. Tony like Perk aren't scorers.  Last season offense was Celtics Achilles heel, but yet they almost won the championship without Homecourt advantage in 3 rounds. This season defense will be their Achilles heel, will see how far that takes them. Its a cliche but defense win you championships.

The Celtics defense will be fine.  Tony Allen wasn't the linchpin for our defense, he was just another guy out of many who played good D.  However, replacing some of that D with more efficient offense should yield the same net results.

But who is going to guard Lebron & Wade off the bench? Von Wafer   Although Avery Bradley (new Tony) on Lebron should be amusing. Add to that ShaQ and his defensive woes, Celtics have too many holes defensively.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

I don't really want to get into this one...mostly because it was what i said 1000 times already. TA was the guy who could stop Wade and Lebron or Kobe, so it was foolish to let him go, MD hasn't shown anything, excedpt running into Gortats stomach and either showing how soft he is or taking a dive for the rest of the year. TA had outstanding D, and at times great O plays, some unfortunate turnovers, but he was coming on very well, and in position to fix them and more this year.....We'll have to see what he does in Memphis....Is Scal resigned..? How dumb is that..?

[gar]

Tony was a great role player for the C's. The only one who is delusional is TA for thinking he will have anywhere near the impact on the C's somewhere else. He was able to do things here that he will not be able to do anywhere else. He had great set ups from Rondo and Pierce and was under the radar. No such luck when you are expected to produce on a regular basis.

I remember all too well before the big three when Tony was a go to guy. Was extremely frustrating time to be a Celtics fan. How many times can one player dribble off his foot out of bounds?

[Roy H.]

Maybe off the bench; that remains to be seen.  Among starters, though, Paul and Ray did a great job on those guys.

@ Roy, Do you think at this point of their career Ray & Pierce play the kind defense this team needs, and still be able to produce offensively? If last season was any indication, Celtics are in for a rude awakening.

The Celtics lost their starting center in Game 6, but still came within 6 minutes of an NBA title.  They've since upgraded.  I think they'll be fine; they're still clearly one to the top three teams in the NBA.

With the injury to Perk and the departure of Tony, the defense will probably be a little better.  However, the offense should also be appreciably better; Tony only averaged 3.6 ppg in the Lakers series, for instance.

Perkins AVG 5.8ppg in that series also. So I don't understand that point. Tony like Perk aren't scorers.  Last season offense was Celtics Achilles heel, but yet they almost won the championship without Homecourt advantage in 3 rounds. This season defense will be their Achilles heel, will see how far that takes them. Its a cliche but defense win you championships.

The Celtics defense will be fine.  Tony Allen wasn't the linchpin for our defense, he was just another guy out of many who played good D.  However, replacing some of that D with more efficient offense should yield the same net results.

But who is going to guard Lebron & Wade off the bench? Von Wafer   Although Avery Bradley (new Tony) on Lebron should be amusing. Add to that ShaQ and his defensive woes, Celtics have too many holes defensively.

If our bench struggles with Lebron and Wade, it will be on Doc to find out how to limit the bench's exposure to them, by playing the starters longer minutes, etc.  However, I don't think the gap between Tony and Marquis Daniels is all that great.

An interesting statistic:  According to Basketball Prospectus, Ray Allen held opposing players to 91% of their normal production.  Tony Allen allowed opposing players 95% of their average production.  In other words, if you believe the numbers, Ray's defense was more effective.  We'll be fine.

[Bankshot]

I'm still sick to my stomach over losing Tony!  We are definitely going to regret losing him.  I believe Tony was finally coming into his own.  We are going to miss Tony's prime years, which are sure to be his best and that makes me sick because the Celtics raised him as a ballplayer... he was our baby.

[Roy H.]

We are going to miss Tony's prime years . . .

Tony Allen will be 29 years old next season.  His prime is behind him.

[Bankshot]

We are going to miss Tony's prime years . . .

Tony Allen will be 29 years old next season.  His prime is behind him.

29 with little mileage because of injuries, so he's a young 29. I believe prime years could go as far as 32.  It doesn't stop at 29. Oh, and Tony won't be 29 until January.

[mgent]

Maybe off the bench; that remains to be seen.  Among starters, though, Paul and Ray did a great job on those guys.

@ Roy, Do you think at this point of their career Ray & Pierce play the kind defense this team needs, and still be able to produce offensively? If last season was any indication, Celtics are in for a rude awakening.

The Celtics lost their starting center in Game 6, but still came within 6 minutes of an NBA title.  They've since upgraded.  I think they'll be fine; they're still clearly one to the top three teams in the NBA.

With the injury to Perk and the departure of Tony, the defense will probably be a little better.  However, the offense should also be appreciably better; Tony only averaged 3.6 ppg in the Lakers series, for instance.

Perkins AVG 5.8ppg in that series also. So I don't understand that point. Tony like Perk aren't scorers.  Last season offense was Celtics Achilles heel, but yet they almost won the championship without Homecourt advantage in 3 rounds. This season defense will be their Achilles heel, will see how far that takes them. Its a cliche but defense win you championships.

The Celtics defense will be fine.  Tony Allen wasn't the linchpin for our defense, he was just another guy out of many who played good D.  However, replacing some of that D with more efficient offense should yield the same net results.

But who is going to guard Lebron & Wade off the bench? Von Wafer   Although Avery Bradley (new Tony) on Lebron should be amusing. Add to that ShaQ and his defensive woes, Celtics have too many holes defensively.

If our bench struggles with Lebron and Wade, it will be on Doc to find out how to limit the bench's exposure to them, by playing the starters longer minutes, etc.  However, I don't think the gap between Tony and Marquis Daniels is all that great.

An interesting statistic:  According to Basketball Prospectus, Ray Allen held opposing players to 91% of their normal production.  Tony Allen allowed opposing players 95% of their average production.  In other words, if you believe the numbers, Ray's defense was more effective.  We'll be fine.

In that case, I'm a man who doesn't believe the numbers.

[Roy H.]

We are going to miss Tony's prime years . . .

Tony Allen will be 29 years old next season.  His prime is behind him.

29 with little mileage because of injuries, so he's a young 29. I believe prime years could go as far as 32.  It doesn't stop at 29. Oh, and Tony won't be 29 until January.

A young 29 year old with chronically bad knees and ankles, perhaps.  Maybe Tony and Michael Redd can start a club.

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A young 29 year old with chronically bad knees and ankles, perhaps.  Maybe Tony and Michael Redd can start a club.

His knee wasn't an issue when he ate Pau Gasoft for lunch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xk4rb90MRM

If I'm not mistaken, prime years are between 27-32 Years Old. Tony is 28.

[Cman]

For the record, I don't think the Celtics will regret not signing Tony (to a $3M+/yr deal).

If the Cs do regret it, its because Tony will be impressing people with his play.  The one upshot of this, is that it will be another feather in Ainge's draft cap (so to speak).  ie: it will be more proof that Danny really does a good job drafting.

[Cman]

His knee wasn't an issue when he ate Pau Gasoft for lunch.

Tony may have won that one particular battle, but the Lakers won that series, as I recall.
 

[j804]

Maybe off the bench; that remains to be seen.  Among starters, though, Paul and Ray did a great job on those guys.

@ Roy, Do you think at this point of their career Ray & Pierce play the kind defense this team needs, and still be able to produce offensively? If last season was any indication, Celtics are in for a rude awakening.

The Celtics lost their starting center in Game 6, but still came within 6 minutes of an NBA title.  They've since upgraded.  I think they'll be fine; they're still clearly one to the top three teams in the NBA.

With the injury to Perk and the departure of Tony, the defense will probably be a little better.  However, the offense should also be appreciably better; Tony only averaged 3.6 ppg in the Lakers series, for instance.

Perkins AVG 5.8ppg in that series also. So I don't understand that point. Tony like Perk aren't scorers.  Last season offense was Celtics Achilles heel, but yet they almost won the championship without Homecourt advantage in 3 rounds. This season defense will be their Achilles heel, will see how far that takes them. Its a cliche but defense win you championships.

The Celtics defense will be fine.  Tony Allen wasn't the linchpin for our defense, he was just another guy out of many who played good D.  However, replacing some of that D with more efficient offense should yield the same net results.

But who is going to guard Lebron & Wade off the bench? Von Wafer   Although Avery Bradley (new Tony) on Lebron should be amusing. Add to that ShaQ and his defensive woes, Celtics have too many holes defensively.

If our bench struggles with Lebron and Wade, it will be on Doc to find out how to limit the bench's exposure to them, by playing the starters longer minutes, etc.  

Yeah because we all saw in 09 how well that worked out

[Roy H.]

Maybe off the bench; that remains to be seen.  Among starters, though, Paul and Ray did a great job on those guys.

@ Roy, Do you think at this point of their career Ray & Pierce play the kind defense this team needs, and still be able to produce offensively? If last season was any indication, Celtics are in for a rude awakening.

The Celtics lost their starting center in Game 6, but still came within 6 minutes of an NBA title.  They've since upgraded.  I think they'll be fine; they're still clearly one to the top three teams in the NBA.

With the injury to Perk and the departure of Tony, the defense will probably be a little better.  However, the offense should also be appreciably better; Tony only averaged 3.6 ppg in the Lakers series, for instance.

Perkins AVG 5.8ppg in that series also. So I don't understand that point. Tony like Perk aren't scorers.  Last season offense was Celtics Achilles heel, but yet they almost won the championship without Homecourt advantage in 3 rounds. This season defense will be their Achilles heel, will see how far that takes them. Its a cliche but defense win you championships.

The Celtics defense will be fine.  Tony Allen wasn't the linchpin for our defense, he was just another guy out of many who played good D.  However, replacing some of that D with more efficient offense should yield the same net results.

But who is going to guard Lebron & Wade off the bench? Von Wafer   Although Avery Bradley (new Tony) on Lebron should be amusing. Add to that ShaQ and his defensive woes, Celtics have too many holes defensively.

If our bench struggles with Lebron and Wade, it will be on Doc to find out how to limit the bench's exposure to them, by playing the starters longer minutes, etc.  

Yeah because we all saw in 09 how well that worked out

Eh...  Our starters played almost as many minutes in the playoffs in 2010 as they did in 2009.  We all saw how that worked out (i.e., six minutes away from a title, missing a starter.)

In the playoffs, Rondo, Pierce, and Ray will all be playing 38 - 40 minutes.  They've each shown they can handle it.  Not having an elite defensive player to back them up for the extra 3 - 4 minutes that Lebron and Wade are in the game isn't going to doom us, especially when we should have a much more consistent offense this year.

I mean, in those 3 or 4 minutes, how many extra points do people expect Lebron or Wade to score on Daniels, versus what they would have scored on Tony?