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Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2010, 01:53:18 AM »

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Wrong! Baby ShaQ (Sofoklis Schortsanitis) was having his way with Asik (Bulls Center) then Semih came and put an end to that.
Having in mind that Erden and Schortsanitis both came off the bench at the same time, that poster is exactly right.
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Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2010, 02:33:59 AM »

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Wrong! Baby ShaQ (Sofoklis Schortsanitis) was having his way with Asik (Bulls Center) then Semih came and put an end to that.
Having in mind that Erden and Schortsanitis both came off the bench at the same time, that poster is exactly right.
I seem to remember Schortsanitis doing that to NBA players in the past, so I guess that makes Erden NBA-ready?

Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2010, 04:08:46 AM »

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Wrong! Baby ShaQ (Sofoklis Schortsanitis) was having his way with Asik (Bulls Center) then Semih came and put an end to that.
Having in mind that Erden and Schortsanitis both came off the bench at the same time, that poster is exactly right.

Actually not only did Erden stop him, he outplayed. Erden scored more points, even rebounding, Erden better FG%, Erden better FT%, and Erden blocked more shots.

Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2010, 08:26:37 AM »

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I think Erden will be active and on the bench.  Until Perk is back, the only real center we have is Shaq.  Jerm and Baby can fill in and will over Erden but neither is really a center.  With injury and foul trouble, it would be nice to have a real big available (although he has to be able to play obviously not just be tall).

Luke H may be the next Ryan Gomes but do we really need another Ryan Gomes on this team?  I think if Erden can't play well enough to even get on the court, then he gets cut and we pick up another center from the FA scrap heap.

I also think development is a consideration but I think Luke would get more out of the D League than Erden.  7-Footers just don't seem to get much out of being in the D League.  If Erden isn't good enough to be on the court after pre-season, is it really worth it for him to be on the roster and sent to Portland?  Doesn't seem so to me.
What is Jermaine Oneal?  A point guard?  JO is as pure of a center as there is.

Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2010, 08:38:53 AM »

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What is Jermaine Oneal?  A point guard?  JO is as pure of a center as there is.
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Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2010, 08:58:41 AM »

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What is Jermaine Oneal?  A point guard?  JO is as pure of a center as there is.

IMO, JO is more a PF than a center.
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Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2010, 10:16:28 AM »

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I don't expect Erden to make the club. Big club or D-league.
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Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2010, 12:10:39 PM »

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I think Erden will be active and on the bench.  Until Perk is back, the only real center we have is Shaq.  Jerm and Baby can fill in and will over Erden but neither is really a center.  With injury and foul trouble, it would be nice to have a real big available (although he has to be able to play obviously not just be tall).

Luke H may be the next Ryan Gomes but do we really need another Ryan Gomes on this team?  I think if Erden can't play well enough to even get on the court, then he gets cut and we pick up another center from the FA scrap heap.

I also think development is a consideration but I think Luke would get more out of the D League than Erden.  7-Footers just don't seem to get much out of being in the D League.  If Erden isn't good enough to be on the court after pre-season, is it really worth it for him to be on the roster and sent to Portland?  Doesn't seem so to me.
What is Jermaine Oneal?  A point guard?  JO is as pure of a center as there is.

Definitely not a "pure" center in that he's not tremendously bulky and likes to play on the perimeter (a la KG), but certainly better at the 5 than Erden. 

Watched Erden vs. France.  Poor offensive player, decent defensive player who should be a foul machine if he sees any NBA time.  I really don't think he's worth the roster spot once Perk returns.
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Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2010, 12:27:37 PM »

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Wrong! Baby ShaQ (Sofoklis Schortsanitis) was having his way with Asik (Bulls Center) then Semih came and put an end to that.
Having in mind that Erden and Schortsanitis both came off the bench at the same time, that poster is exactly right.

Actually not only did Erden stop him, he outplayed. Erden scored more points, even rebounding, Erden better FG%, Erden better FT%, and Erden blocked more shots.

I go by what I see in the game rather than stats. He had a lot of trouble keeping Schortianides from getting great position and good looks, and made some dumb fouls. Offensively he got garbage points off very poor defensive break downs by the greek team, which made the turkish team look like the LA showtime teams.

Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2010, 01:30:05 PM »

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Wrong! Baby ShaQ (Sofoklis Schortsanitis) was having his way with Asik (Bulls Center) then Semih came and put an end to that.
Having in mind that Erden and Schortsanitis both came off the bench at the same time, that poster is exactly right.

Actually not only did Erden stop him, he outplayed. Erden scored more points, even rebounding, Erden better FG%, Erden better FT%, and Erden blocked more shots.

I go by what I see in the game rather than stats. He had a lot of trouble keeping Schortianides from getting great position and good looks, and made some dumb fouls. Offensively he got garbage points off very poor defensive break downs by the greek team, which made the turkish team look like the LA showtime teams.
Exactly what I saw too. Schortsanitis caught the ball deep every time he was matched up with Erden, and manage to turn towards the basket with ease.

Erden plays zero post defense. He played zero post defense in summer league, too. I am just hopeful he will be able to learn how to function in help defense situations, but given that these are not exactly commonplace in FIBA basketball, I am skeptical about his ability to contribute. Setting my expectations at zero.
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Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2010, 02:34:15 PM »

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I think Erden will be active and on the bench.  Until Perk is back, the only real center we have is Shaq.  Jerm and Baby can fill in and will over Erden but neither is really a center.  With injury and foul trouble, it would be nice to have a real big available (although he has to be able to play obviously not just be tall).

Luke H may be the next Ryan Gomes but do we really need another Ryan Gomes on this team?  I think if Erden can't play well enough to even get on the court, then he gets cut and we pick up another center from the FA scrap heap.

I also think development is a consideration but I think Luke would get more out of the D League than Erden.  7-Footers just don't seem to get much out of being in the D League.  If Erden isn't good enough to be on the court after pre-season, is it really worth it for him to be on the roster and sent to Portland?  Doesn't seem so to me.
What is Jermaine Oneal?  A point guard?  JO is as pure of a center as there is.
A few beat me to it but I don't think JO handles the ball quite well enough to play PG.

Seriously though, I feel that JO will be able to play center but I see his best fit as a PF.  In terms of Erden, some have suggested that he is not really a center either.  I don't know that as I haven't seen him play but I can say that if he isn't a Center than why do we need him?

Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2010, 02:41:54 PM »

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JO's been playing pretty  much nothing but center since he left Indiana.  I posted the breakdowns from 82 games a while back, don't feel like re-creating that, but basically his time in Indiana was split more-or-less 50/50 between the 4 and the 5, but especially since going to Miami he's played the 5 almost exclusively.  Now, that may well be more out of necessity than anything else (who else was going to play?  Magliore?), but JO playing at the 5 is nothing new.

Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2010, 05:56:50 PM »

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Seriously though, I feel that JO will be able to play center but I see his best fit as a PF.  In terms of Erden, some have suggested that he is not really a center either.  I don't know that as I haven't seen him play but I can say that if he isn't a Center than why do we need him?

JO's position really depends on what other options you have at center and power forward.  He would be a center next to KG and a PF next to Shaq. He's probably less able to play PF than he used to be, though.  Rasheed Wallace was a starting PF next to Sabonis, but probably the starting center later on next to Dale Davis.  Was he the power forward or center next to Ben Wallace in the Pistons starting lineup.  By the time Sheed got to Boston, his mobility had declined enough that he seemed to be primarily a center.  A young Jermaine O'Neal's best fit was clearly PF.  An older JO, maybe not.

If Erden can develop, he may be one of those 7-foot-ish PF-C backup bigs.  Tall enough to guard some centers, athletic enough to guard some power forwards, but not good enough to be a starter at either position.  He might be useful against a big who doesn't post up much but can shoot over a guy like Glen Davis.  (Imagine someone a bit Sheed-like.)

If Erden could be a lengthy athletic big with some energy who blocks shots decently, rebounds at a mediocre but not atrocious level, and is better on put-backs than Perkins or Big Baby and better at pick and roll defense than Shaq, he'd be a useful situational player even if he does have a bit of a foul problem.  That is certainly something within his range of outcomes.

I think it is pretty clear that Erden has the physical tools to make the regular rotation of an NBA team and the main questions revolve around his ability to learn and think on the court.  He should be at least mildly useful if he can learn and execute team defense.
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Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2010, 06:18:52 PM »

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I don't think so.
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Re: Semih Erden Active Roster?
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2010, 06:36:37 PM »

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Seriously though, I feel that JO will be able to play center but I see his best fit as a PF.  In terms of Erden, some have suggested that he is not really a center either.  I don't know that as I haven't seen him play but I can say that if he isn't a Center than why do we need him?

JO's position really depends on what other options you have at center and power forward.  He would be a center next to KG and a PF next to Shaq. He's probably less able to play PF than he used to be, though.  Rasheed Wallace was a starting PF next to Sabonis, but probably the starting center later on next to Dale Davis.  Was he the power forward or center next to Ben Wallace in the Pistons starting lineup.  By the time Sheed got to Boston, his mobility had declined enough that he seemed to be primarily a center.  A young Jermaine O'Neal's best fit was clearly PF.  An older JO, maybe not.

If Erden can develop, he may be one of those 7-foot-ish PF-C backup bigs.  Tall enough to guard some centers, athletic enough to guard some power forwards, but not good enough to be a starter at either position.  He might be useful against a big who doesn't post up much but can shoot over a guy like Glen Davis.  (Imagine someone a bit Sheed-like.)

If Erden could be a lengthy athletic big with some energy who blocks shots decently, rebounds at a mediocre but not atrocious level, and is better on put-backs than Perkins or Big Baby and better at pick and roll defense than Shaq, he'd be a useful situational player even if he does have a bit of a foul problem.  That is certainly something within his range of outcomes.

I think it is pretty clear that Erden has the physical tools to make the regular rotation of an NBA team and the main questions revolve around his ability to learn and think on the court.  He should be at least mildly useful if he can learn and execute team defense.

Think we'd be better off with Erden or Dwayne Jones?