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[celticpride07]

man im feeling like pulling off a blockbuster trade right now anyone else?

[Who]

Stephen Curry is hugely under-rated here in the forums. Especially his passing ability. He was terrific last season for the Warriors. He is already a top 10 PG and I reckon he'll establish himself as a top 5 PG before next season is over.

A S.Curry + Brandon Roy backcourt is incredible. They will be responsible for 65% of everything that happens offensively for the Lakers. Either as a scorer or as a passer. With their talent and their efficiency, along with the supporting cast, there is no good reason for the Lakers not to rank amongst the league leaders in offensive efficiency.

Defensively, the Lakers have middle of the pack type talent. Tyson Chandler is one of the best interior defenders in the league. Prince is a good defender. Curry and Roy are both average defenders. Green is a good defender at SF and a poor defensive PF. Beasley is a poor defensive PF but did make good defensive improvements last season and should be able to do likewise next season. Still, I'd expect him to be below average, but to become serviceable. Al Harrington is a very poor defender. Quentin Richardson is mediocre. DJ Augustin is a poor defender. David Andersen is a very poor defender.

As I said earlier, I would be more optimistic about the Lakers defense if they had a big man who could play D while Tyson Chandler rests. That lack of a suitable reserve holds this team back (defensively and overall).

The combination of say a 5th ranked offense + a 15th ranked defense would give the Lakers a 50-54 win team. That is the caliber of talent that I think they have.

[Rondo2287]

Most underrated Man in the CB Draft right now



25 ppg
7.7 rpg
2.7 apg
1.0 blk
48% fg
43% 3pt

100% Superstar

[Lucky17]

Most underrated Man in the CB Draft right now



25 ppg
7.7 rpg
2.7 apg
1.0 blk
48% fg
43% 3pt

100% Superstar

Scrolling 30 pt colored and bolded text would have done wonders for this post.

[Rondo2287]

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Most underrated Man in the CB Draft right now

Dirk NOWITZKI



25 ppg
7.7 rpg
2.7 apg
1.0 blk
48% fg
43% 3pt

100% Superstar

[Lucky17]

Brilliant.

On an unrelated note, why is Al Harrington wearing Nikes? I thought he had his own shoe line to endorse. That's a ringing endorsement right there for you.

[StartOrien]

I might be alone here, but I gotta ask:

Does anyone else not see it for Utah? I just don't see them as an elite team.

No point of bringing up contention with Gasol, he's great.

Its preposterous to dismiss to Yao Ming's injuries. 0 gp's, 77 gp's, 55 gp's, 48 gp's, 57 gp's.

Wings are good, not great.

Not a big Calderon fan.

This is a very, very good team. But I don't think they're head and shoulders better than other Western Conference teams.

To me, the Western teams are all about the same level. There's no standout team.

Except Utah, with a healthy Yao and Gasol. No team can match up against that size and skill in the frontcourt.

Elite, by default.

When's the last time a team won a championship without a great perimiter scoring? The Rockets?

[Lucky17]

I might be alone here, but I gotta ask:

Does anyone else not see it for Utah? I just don't see them as an elite team.

No point of bringing up contention with Gasol, he's great.

Its preposterous to dismiss to Yao Ming's injuries. 0 gp's, 77 gp's, 55 gp's, 48 gp's, 57 gp's.

Wings are good, not great.

Not a big Calderon fan.

This is a very, very good team. But I don't think they're head and shoulders better than other Western Conference teams.

To me, the Western teams are all about the same level. There's no standout team.

Except Utah, with a healthy Yao and Gasol. No team can match up against that size and skill in the frontcourt.

Elite, by default.

When's the last time a team won a championship without a great perimiter scoring? The Rockets?

Well, "great" is a loaded descriptor.

But Utah does have shooters. Gallinari, Calderon, even Casspi can shoot. Johnson?

Gallinari is the best pure shooter in the game, according to his coach. So it must be true.

[Who]

I might be alone here, but I gotta ask:

Does anyone else not see it for Utah? I just don't see them as an elite team.

No point of bringing up contention with Gasol, he's great.

Its preposterous to dismiss to Yao Ming's injuries. 0 gp's, 77 gp's, 55 gp's, 48 gp's, 57 gp's.

Wings are good, not great.

Not a big Calderon fan.

This is a very, very good team. But I don't think they're head and shoulders better than other Western Conference teams.

To me, the Western teams are all about the same level. There's no standout team.

Except Utah, with a healthy Yao and Gasol. No team can match up against that size and skill in the frontcourt.

Elite, by default.

When's the last time a team won a championship without a great perimiter scoring? The Rockets?

The Spurs

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Utah have arguably the two best low post scoring big men in the NBA today.

[celticpride07]

greenbean check your PM's

[StartOrien]

I might be alone here, but I gotta ask:

Does anyone else not see it for Utah? I just don't see them as an elite team.

No point of bringing up contention with Gasol, he's great.

Its preposterous to dismiss to Yao Ming's injuries. 0 gp's, 77 gp's, 55 gp's, 48 gp's, 57 gp's.

Wings are good, not great.

Not a big Calderon fan.

This is a very, very good team. But I don't think they're head and shoulders better than other Western Conference teams.

To me, the Western teams are all about the same level. There's no standout team.

Except Utah, with a healthy Yao and Gasol. No team can match up against that size and skill in the frontcourt.

Elite, by default.

When's the last time a team won a championship without a great perimiter scoring? The Rockets?

The Spurs

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Utah have arguably the two best low post scoring big men in the NBA today.

Ginobli?

[nickagneta]

I might be alone here, but I gotta ask:

Does anyone else not see it for Utah? I just don't see them as an elite team.

No point of bringing up contention with Gasol, he's great.

Its preposterous to dismiss to Yao Ming's injuries. 0 gp's, 77 gp's, 55 gp's, 48 gp's, 57 gp's.

Wings are good, not great.

Not a big Calderon fan.

This is a very, very good team. But I don't think they're head and shoulders better than other Western Conference teams.

I think with Utah, what it all comes down to is how one feels about three players on their team, Omri Casspi, Yao Ming and Jose Calderon.

Casspi is a wild card. He started out last year great but as the season went on he trailed off badly. Many seem to be remembering the great press he was getting through Christmas as one of the best rookies last year but after that, he fell off the planet and being in the tiniest of markets and worst of teams nobody really heard about his struggles as the year went on. His end numbers looked good but he was just awful for the last 3 1/2 months of the season.

Yao, we all know missed all of last year. When first diagnosed doctors said his career was probably over. Okay so he has been recuperating for over a year and we are told he will be healthy come October. I am willing to believe that. Some won't. But the question has to be asked, even though he will be healthy, does that guarantee his game will be back to what it was. 18 months away from NBA basketball can do a lot to your skills.

Calderon. His numbers are undeniably good. He is a great free throw shooter, very good outside shooter and racks up assists like crazy. But saying his defense is bad is kind. Also, is he a great floor general? People seem to go to two ends of the spectrum with Calderon. They love him or thinks he's bad, or at least badly over-rated.

So, depending how you view these three players will really determine how you view Utah. I just think the talent everywhere else is solid and most agree with that. But these three players will be the determining factor with the Jazz. As I said in my review of this team much earlier, I think they go deep into the Western Conference playoffs. maybe win the Western Conference. But I see 3-4 teams in the East that I think are much better.

[Who]

I might be alone here, but I gotta ask:

Does anyone else not see it for Utah? I just don't see them as an elite team.

No point of bringing up contention with Gasol, he's great.

Its preposterous to dismiss to Yao Ming's injuries. 0 gp's, 77 gp's, 55 gp's, 48 gp's, 57 gp's.

Wings are good, not great.

Not a big Calderon fan.

This is a very, very good team. But I don't think they're head and shoulders better than other Western Conference teams.

To me, the Western teams are all about the same level. There's no standout team.

Except Utah, with a healthy Yao and Gasol. No team can match up against that size and skill in the frontcourt.

Elite, by default.

When's the last time a team won a championship without a great perimiter scoring? The Rockets?

The Spurs

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Utah have arguably the two best low post scoring big men in the NBA today.

Ginobli?

1999 Spurs team -- Sean Elliott 11ppg

The 2003 Spurs team had a 15ppg Tony Parker, a 12ppg Stephen Jackson and an 8ppg Manu Ginobili. That would also be comparable to Utah's firepower (Gallo 15ppg, Jose 12ppg, Casspi 10ppg).

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It's rare for a Championship team not to have a strong scorer on the perimeter nowadays but it is also rare for a team to have two post scorers as talented as Yao Ming and Pau Gasol.

Unless you can defend the post at a very high level, this is going to be a very difficult team to defend.

If you can defend the post at a very high level, then this is a team that lacks offensive diversity (lack of perimeter scorer, lack of dribble penetration, lack of transition offense) and can be limited effectively.

[indeedproceed]

Casspi is a wild card. He started out last year great but as the season went on he trailed off badly. Many seem to be remembering the great press he was getting through Christmas as one of the best rookies last year but after that, he fell off the planet and being in the tiniest of markets and worst of teams nobody really heard about his struggles as the year went on. His end numbers looked good but he was just awful for the last 3 1/2 months of the season.

I'm not defending Dons, and lord knows I will knock on Casspi hard if I play him, but i think you're misrepresenting rookies in general here.

All rookies hit the "rookie wall" if they get significant playing time. Brandon Jennings scored 19 ppg thru the new year.

After that he averaged right around 13ppg. He might have had some high scoring games in between, but his overall play (and energy) decreased.

Its just the facts of the NBA. At first, talented guys come on like gangbusters, because they're used to 30-40 games a year tops. The NBA has 82, and they are far more frequent.

Casspi like most every rookie, hit the "rookie wall".

It takes training , discipline, and the understanding that the game is a grind to deal with an 82 game season.

A lot of guys learn that lesson after one season. Casspi is definitely one of those guys that could learn that.

[indeedproceed]

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Most underrated Man in the CB Draft right now

Dirk NOWITZKI



25 ppg
7.7 rpg
2.7 apg
1.0 blk
48% fg
43% 3pt

100% Superstar

Dirk Nowitzki is a heck of a player...I only wish he would've had a friend near by that knew the Heimlich in 2006 or 2007. Could've saved Dirk a lot of hassle.