2010 CB Draft: Central Division Press Conferences

[nickagneta]

Update on Omer Asik: Averaging 10.2 pts, 8.2 rebounds, 60% shooting in 20 minutes per game in the FIBA Worlds.

Not too shabby. What's he shooting from the line? What's Erden doing?

(Oh man, discussion of the Southwest doesn't start until Wednesday... Zzzz.)

Erden is averaging 10.6 points and 5.8 rebounds on 61.3% shooting and 78.9% FT%.

In other news, some dude named Kirk Penney is averaging 25.4 points on 55% shooting.

Woulda been nice if Erden would have showed up for summer league.

Where are you getting these FIBA stats BTW? I had to manually comb box scores and excel it up.

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/statistics/p/top-players.html

Scola is killing everyone this year.

Scola is on the Boxers and at this point I could brag like crazy about his dominance at the Worlds.

What's the point? The competition is vastly inferior to what he would have to play on a night in and night out basis in the NBA. So, yeah if those with Omer Asik and Ersan Ilyasova and Hamed Haddadi and Tiago Splitter want to point to the World's as some sort of proof that their players are exceptional, I say take it with a major, major, major heaping full reality with that statement because the competition isn't in the same planet as the NBA.

Proof of this fact. Real simple. Luis Scola IS NOT a 29 PPG scorer that shoots 60% from the field in the NBA.

[indeedproceed]

Update on Omer Asik: Averaging 10.2 pts, 8.2 rebounds, 60% shooting in 20 minutes per game in the FIBA Worlds.

Not too shabby. What's he shooting from the line? What's Erden doing?

(Oh man, discussion of the Southwest doesn't start until Wednesday... Zzzz.)

Erden is averaging 10.6 points and 5.8 rebounds on 61.3% shooting and 78.9% FT%.

In other news, some dude named Kirk Penney is averaging 25.4 points on 55% shooting.

Woulda been nice if Erden would have showed up for summer league.

Where are you getting these FIBA stats BTW? I had to manually comb box scores and excel it up.

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/statistics/p/top-players.html

Scola is killing everyone this year.

Scola is on the Boxers and at this point I could brag like crazy about his dominance at the Worlds.

What's the point? The competition is vastly inferior to what he would have to play on a night in and night out basis in the NBA. So, yeah if those with Omer Asik and Ersan Ilyasova and Hamed Haddadi and Tiago Splitter want to point to the World's as some sort of proof that their players are exceptional, I say take it with a major, major, major heaping full reality with that statement because the competition isn't in the same planet as the NBA.

Proof of this fact. Real simple. Luis Scola IS NOT a 29 PPG scorer that shoots 60% from the field in the NBA.

1) Ersan Ilyasova is an exceptional player.

2) Omer Asik currently is not. However, his talents (dunks, rolling to the basket and finishing, rebounding, defense) are talents I need, and while by no means should this guy be starting for an NBA team, I feel better today about giving him 7 minutes per game than I did yesterday.

EDIT: Besides, you started it five days ago.

Dang. My third best player, Luis Scola went for 32 points and 8 rebounds today at the FIBA WC.

[nickagneta]

Update on Omer Asik: Averaging 10.2 pts, 8.2 rebounds, 60% shooting in 20 minutes per game in the FIBA Worlds.

Not too shabby. What's he shooting from the line? What's Erden doing?

(Oh man, discussion of the Southwest doesn't start until Wednesday... Zzzz.)

Erden is averaging 10.6 points and 5.8 rebounds on 61.3% shooting and 78.9% FT%.

In other news, some dude named Kirk Penney is averaging 25.4 points on 55% shooting.

Woulda been nice if Erden would have showed up for summer league.

Where are you getting these FIBA stats BTW? I had to manually comb box scores and excel it up.

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/statistics/p/top-players.html

Scola is killing everyone this year.

Scola is on the Boxers and at this point I could brag like crazy about his dominance at the Worlds.

What's the point? The competition is vastly inferior to what he would have to play on a night in and night out basis in the NBA. So, yeah if those with Omer Asik and Ersan Ilyasova and Hamed Haddadi and Tiago Splitter want to point to the World's as some sort of proof that their players are exceptional, I say take it with a major, major, major heaping full reality with that statement because the competition isn't in the same planet as the NBA.

Proof of this fact. Real simple. Luis Scola IS NOT a 29 PPG scorer that shoots 60% from the field in the NBA.

1) Ersan Ilyasova is an exceptional player.

2) Omer Asik currently is not. However, his talents (dunks, rolling to the basket and finishing, rebounding, defense) are talents I need, and while by no means should this guy be starting for an NBA team, I feel better today about giving him 7 minutes per game than I did yesterday.

EDIT: Besides, you started it five days ago.

Dang. My third best player, Luis Scola went for 32 points and 8 rebounds today at the FIBA WC.

Yeah that was kind of tongue in cheek LOL

[Roy H.]

1) Ersan Ilyasova is an exceptional player.

Define "exceptional".

[indeedproceed]

1) Ersan Ilyasova is an exceptional player.

Define "exceptional".

6'10, 23 years old, 11 pts, 7 rebounds and 35% shooting while playing good team defense for 26 minutes when he was playing as a starter is exceptional. Exceptional as in better than the average NBA power forward.   

[indeedproceed]

EDIT: Besides, you started it five days ago.

Dang. My third best player, Luis Scola went for 32 points and 8 rebounds today at the FIBA WC.

Yeah that was kind of tongue in cheek LOL

Ah, I assumed you were trying to inform us that your third best player just went for 32 points and 8 rebounds.

[nickagneta]

EDIT: Besides, you started it five days ago.

Dang. My third best player, Luis Scola went for 32 points and 8 rebounds today at the FIBA WC.

Yeah that was kind of tongue in cheek LOL

Ah, I assumed you were trying to inform us that your third best player just went for 32 points and 8 rebounds.

No..If I remember right, in the posts just previous to that comment people were talking about a player or two and what they were doing in the worlds. I think after that statement someone correctly pointed out that Scola did that versus some horrible African team. I meant it as a goof on what the people ahead of me were discussing. I just think bringing up these WC stats are ridiculous. The competition there is awful in many cases.

[Roy H.]

1) Ersan Ilyasova is an exceptional player.

Define "exceptional".

6'10, 23 years old, 11 pts, 7 rebounds and 35% shooting while playing good team defense for 26 minutes when he was playing as a starter is exceptional. Exceptional as in better than the average NBA power forward.   

I'm not sure about above-average.  Ilyasova ranked 30th among PFs in points per minute (and 22nd among PFs averaging more than 20 minutes), and 29th among PFs in rebounds per minute (including 17th among PFs averaging 20 mins.)

I guess I'd say he's above-average among *all* power forwards, but below average in terms of a starter.

[nickagneta]

1) Ersan Ilyasova is an exceptional player.

Define "exceptional".

6'10, 23 years old, 11 pts, 7 rebounds and 35% shooting while playing good team defense for 26 minutes when he was playing as a starter is exceptional. Exceptional as in better than the average NBA power forward.   

Is Glen Big Baby Davis an exceptional player?

When he started for an injured KG in the playoffs, when competition is at it's zenith, he averaged 15.8 PPG and 5.6 RPG while shooting 49%. Does that make him an exceptional player and better than the average NBA PF? because even though I am a Celtic and Big Baby fan, I don't consider him exceptional or better than an average NBA PF.

[Fafnir]

1) Ersan Ilyasova is an exceptional player.

Define "exceptional".

6'10, 23 years old, 11 pts, 7 rebounds and 35% shooting while playing good team defense for 26 minutes when he was playing as a starter is exceptional. Exceptional as in better than the average NBA power forward.   

Is Glen Big Baby Davis an exceptional player?

When he started for an injured KG in the playoffs, when competition is at it's zenith, he averaged 15.8 PPG and 5.6 RPG while shooting 49%. Does that make him an exceptional player and better than the average NBA PF? because even though I am a Celtic and Big Baby fan, I don't consider him exceptional or better than an average NBA PF.

Those numbers are worse than what Ilyasova put up though, signifigantly so. I think he's also a better defender of most 4s in the NBA than Glen Davis. He can't guard 5s like BBD can, so I'm not sure how to rank their defensive contributions.

I do think Ilyasova is currently about an average starting PF. His exceptional (for a PF) shooting makes up for his somewhat deficient rebounding.

I also think that on the team IP's constructed he'd produce at a much greater clip than an average NBA PF. He's a great compliment to Noah and LeBron's games.

[indeedproceed]

1) Ersan Ilyasova is an exceptional player.

Define "exceptional".

6'10, 23 years old, 11 pts, 7 rebounds and 35% shooting while playing good team defense for 26 minutes when he was playing as a starter is exceptional. Exceptional as in better than the average NBA power forward.  

I'm not sure about above-average.  Ilyasova ranked 30th among PFs in points per minute (and 22nd among PFs averaging more than 20 minutes), and 29th among PFs in rebounds per minute (including 17th among PFs averaging 20 mins.)

I guess I'd say he's above-average among *all* power forwards, but below average in terms of a starter.

He ranks right next to Josh Smith in pp48, at 21.2. Above players like Rashard Lewis, Paul Millsap, Lamar Odom.

He ranks 13th among power forwards @ 13.1 RP48, above Stoudemire, Josh Smith, Scola, Varejao, etc...

He has a better rebound rate (% of available rebounds that he gets while on the floor) than Scola, Garnett, Stoudemire, and Paul Millsap.

I'd contend that not only is he better than the average power forward, he's also average to slightly above average as a starter, especially with LeBron James next to him.

Is Glen Big Baby Davis an exceptional player?

When he started for an injured KG in the playoffs, when competition is at it's zenith, he averaged 15.8 PPG and 5.6 RPG while shooting 49%. Does that make him an exceptional player and better than the average NBA PF? because even though I am a Celtic and Big Baby fan, I don't consider him exceptional or better than an average NBA PF.

Glen Davis, since he stands all of 6'7 and 300 lbs, doing what he does is most definitely exceptional.

However, Glen Davis's 15.8ppg and 5.6 rebounds per contest in the playoffs was very good, and ought to be commended.

But as far as players go, he's always going to be too short and built just a little bit wrong.

And also Glen Davis got those stats averaging 36.6 minutes per game. Since Ilyasova only averaged 23.3 minutes last season I'm not wholly confident he could keep his production up like that, but his statistics work out to be 16.2 points, 10 rebounds, 1.6 assists, and 1 steal at those kinds of minutes, and that would be exceptional.

(at 34 mpg he gets 15 pts, 9 rebounds, and 1 steal (.9), and I think that is pretty close to within the realm of possibility)

[Roy H.]

I suppose it's semantics, but if Ilyasova is "exceptional", that means there are between 100 - 150 "exceptional" players in the NBA, minimum.  That just seems high, unless you're talking about the realm of all basketball players, rather than just ones that play in the NBA.

Ilyasova is "pretty good".  Dwyane Wade is "exceptional".

[Fafnir]

I suppose it's semantics, but if Ilyasova is "exceptional", that means there are between 100 - 150 "exceptional" players in the NBA, minimum.  That just seems high, unless you're talking about the realm of all basketball players, rather than just ones that play in the NBA.

Ilyasova is "pretty good".  Dywane Wade is "exceptional".

That I  can agree with.

But I do think LeBron's proven you put a bunch of turds around him and he makes the team pretty good. Just puting pretty good around him and they'll be an exceptional team.

I'm scared to see what he does with two exceptional players around him....

[indeedproceed]

I suppose it's semantics, but if Ilyasova is "exceptional", that means there are between 100 - 150 "exceptional" players in the NBA, minimum.  That just seems high, unless you're talking about the realm of all basketball players, rather than just ones that play in the NBA.

Ilyasova is "pretty good".  Dywane Wade is "exceptional".

When I used the word exceptional originally, it was as a rebuff to Nick using it. We just kind of carried it on.

'Course, I'll take almost any excuse to pimp out Ilyasova. The kid just looks like a player, and people need to rekkkked-nize, son.

[Roy H.]

I suppose it's semantics, but if Ilyasova is "exceptional", that means there are between 100 - 150 "exceptional" players in the NBA, minimum.  That just seems high, unless you're talking about the realm of all basketball players, rather than just ones that play in the NBA.

Ilyasova is "pretty good".  Dywane Wade is "exceptional".

When I used the word exceptional originally, it was as a rebuff to Nick using it. We just kind of carried it on.

'Course, I'll take almost any excuse to pimp out Ilyasova. The kid just looks like a player, and people need to rekkkked-nize, son.

Gotcha.  In that case, last year's CrotoNats cast off Hamed Haddadi is, indeed, exceptional.  Sadly, our roster was so stacked that not even this exceptional player could fit in our top 15.