2010 CB Draft: Central Division Press Conferences

[nickagneta]

Okay nick ignore the fact that player production is very consistent on a per minute business. I'll still take Ilyasova's numbers in those minutes.

He's using less time to produce points at an equivalent rate (at comparable efficiency) and secure two more rebounds.

I'm ignoring nothing. Similar points at comparable efficiency and two more rebounds is significant difference??

Significant!!!

Come on Faf. Slightly better. A bit better. I can see. Significant? All the while Baby was playing playoff competition while Ilyasova, at least according to the team's IP just listed, got to put up some of his numbers versus the likes of New Jersey, Memphis, Sacramento, Washington, New York and Detroit.

Tell you what. You take Ilyasova's inflated stats versus horrible teams. I'll take the stats of Baby versus playoff competition.

Actually how did Ilyasova do in the playoffs. About the same as he did in the regular season. Hmm....Baby always seems to elevate his game in the playoffs

But Ilyasova is an exceptional player with significantly better starting stats than Baby and Baby is what...just a bench guy.

Okay, let me say this about big baby. If he here 2-3 inches taller, he'd be a completely different player. he'd be a 100% starter in the NBA. Glen Davis is a heck of a player and he just wasn't blessed with Barkley's athleticism or a shoeless height of 6'9 or better.

And in the playoffs, with the Bucs shortened rotation, Ilyasova got 22 minutes per.

He still managed 9.4 points, 7.6 rebounds, upped his FG% to 48%, and upped his 3pt% to 36%

In the last playoff game against the Hawks he got 31 minutes, and he managed 13 points and 11 boards on a bad shooting day.

You can dismiss everything I've thrown out there, tell me the games against Atlanta (5/2), Phoenix (4/3), Chicago (4/6), and Denver (3/20) were all 'fluke' games and say the games NJ, MEM, SAC, WAS, DET, and NY as all insignificant because they didn't make the playoffs, or just dismiss it because its a small sample size...or I'm guessing sooner or later you'll say 'if he was a legitimate starter, he'd be starting in Milwaukee over Mbah a Moute' (and I don't say that angrily, its just the next logical argument), but none of that is anymore theoretical than what I'm saying.

I think there is a good case for Ilyasova being an average to above average starter next season, especially next to LeBron, you do not, does that about sum it up?

No that does not some it up at all. If you had simply said

"I think there is a good case for Ilyasova being an average to above average starter next season, especially next to LeBron"

And Fafnir had called the difference in stats between Baby and Ilyasova "better"

I probably wouldn't have even commented. But the hyperbole with which people go through to sell there teams is going overboard here.

"Exceptional" player?

"Significant" difference?

Please people, let's keep things grounded here.

Ilyasova is an average PF. Playing with Lebron his numbers could improve. Could!! Given your team, other teams might find it easier to lock down your other players and just try to make Lebron beat them singlehandedly, whereby it is possible his numbers might not improve.

I think Ilyasova's starting numbers are slightly better than numbers that Baby put up starting in 2008-09. Slightly. The word significant I might save for the difference between Paul Pierce and Tony Allen or Derrick Rose and Steve Blake or Tim Duncan and Spencer Hawes. Significant is not a word I would use to describe the difference between Glen Davis and Ersan Ilyasova or their stats.

[indeedproceed]

Well, I'm not sure how starting a 6'10 forward with better range, better rebounding numbers, and comparable if not just plain better defense is not a significant improvement, but tomato tomato.

[Roy H.]

Well, I'm not sure how starting a 6'10 forward with better range, better rebounding numbers, and comparable if not just plain better defense is not a significant improvement, but tomato tomato.

Those are some shoes he's wearing, since he measured out at 6' 7.75" in socks.

(Interestingly, BBD measured out at the exact same height, 6' 7.75".)

[indeedproceed]

Well, I'm not sure how starting a 6'10 forward with better range, better rebounding numbers, and comparable if not just plain better defense is not a significant improvement, but tomato tomato.

Those are some shoes he's wearing, since he measured out at 6' 7.75" in socks.

(Interestingly, BBD measured out at the exact same height, 6' 7.75".)

Where are you getting this?

I can't find anyone stating that Ilyasova is less than 6'9, he's listed at 6'10, and why Roy, why...right when I was on a roll, would you look up draft combine measurements from 2005?

[Roy H.]

Well, I'm not sure how starting a 6'10 forward with better range, better rebounding numbers, and comparable if not just plain better defense is not a significant improvement, but tomato tomato.

Those are some shoes he's wearing, since he measured out at 6' 7.75" in socks.  

(Interestingly, BBD measured out at the exact same height, 6' 7.75".)

Where are you getting this?

I can't find anyone stating that Ilyasova is less than 6'9, he's listed at 6'10, and why Roy, why...right when I was on a roll, would you look up draft combine measurements from 2005?

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ersan-Ilyasova-254/

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Glen-Davis-420/

I know this will come as a surprise to you, but some teams exaggerate height.  

(I always cite Basketball Reference for height; they don't seem to be exaggerated.)

[indeedproceed]

Yeah just as you were typing that, I was finding this out.

in 2005, at age 18, he measured 6'7 and 3/4ths with a 7'1 wingspan.

I'm not saying he grew...I'm not saying that....but, I am implying that.

[Roy H.]

Yeah just as you were typing that, I was finding this out.

in 2005, at age 18, he measured 6'7 and 3/4ths with a 7'1 wingspan.

I'm not saying he grew...I'm not saying that....but, I am implying that.

That, or...

1. ESPN gets its measurements from the Bucks' media guide; or

2. Ilyasova enjoys wearing platforms.

I'm guessing both.

[Who]

ACB measured Ilyasova at 2.08 meters = 6 feet 9.8 inches (6-10)

Measurements in Europe are generally very reliable.

[Roy H.]

Another interesting thing about Ilyasova, according to Draft Express:

. . . probably is older than his 1987-listed date of birth . . .

[nickagneta]

Well, I'm not sure how starting a 6'10 forward with better range, better rebounding numbers, and comparable if not just plain better defense is not a significant improvement, but tomato tomato.

Being taller than someone(which apparently is now in question) or having better range than someone doesn't necessarily make people better power forwards. Ilyasova is taller and has better range than Karl Malone, does that make him significantly better than Malone.

As I said, Ilyasova has slightly better numbers than Baby and a bit of a different game. That doesn't make him a significantly better improvement over him.

Just stay grounded IP. You can make your case for your team without turning everyone into some "exceptional" player simply because they are playing alongside the greatest hyped, non championship winning player in the history of basketball.

[indeedproceed]

well im by no means saying illy is better than malone. im saying he's better than big baby because in part he can reliably stretch the floor, and im sticking to it that he measures close to 6'10 with shoes. thank you, who.

as far  as his age goes, that's pure speculation. and not one that I remember people taking seriously when he was drafted. he wasn't some god-like hyped player like yi, he's just  a kid from turkey, who is now 6'10 with shoes on and born in 1987.

[indeedproceed]

and he is exceptional.

[nickagneta]

and he is exceptional.

Well if he's exceptional I wonder what that makes power forwards like Boozer and Lee and Bosh and Jefferson and Scola and Odom and Garnett?

[Donoghus]

Is there really a debate over a matter of semantics right now? 

[Roy H.]

and he is exceptional.

Well if he's exceptional I wonder what that makes power forwards like Boozer and Lee and Bosh and Jefferson and Scola and Odom and Garnett?

Boozer = Amazingly Other-Worldly