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Quote from: action781 on August 18, 2010, 01:01:31 AMQuote from: Lucky17 on August 18, 2010, 12:07:16 AMQuote"Guys who can be a number one option on a finals team"DuncanDirkCarmeloDeronCP3So, does Paul Pierce belong on that list?If not, are we just deluding ourselves that Banner 18 is in the near future? Or are we banking everything on Rondo making a quantum leap?Interesting mention. I think the celtics of '08 and the celtics of next season will be more of a team effort to win a championship than relying on a #1 option. I think instead of "can be the number 1 option" it would be more appropriately (while verbosely) named "can be relied on as a number 1 option". Even Pierce said that down 2 at the end of a game that Ray should take the final shot, not him. Those guys on that list could win a title while refusing to defer to a teammate for the final shot (unless dishing out the necessary assist).Otherwise, you'd have to technically include Chauncey Billups on that list too, right? It could be argued that Billups and Pierce were not the most important players on their teams. I'm not sure either could win a title on a team that they were undisputably the most important player. The players above could be. Although I don't necessarily put Deron in that list.I'm glad someone picked up the bait here.I think there's a certain amount of tautology behind these tiers. There's a "conventional wisdom" that there's only a handful of truly elite players, because they have been the best players on the most recent Finals contenders.Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, and Deron Williams haven't even sniffed the NBA Finals, and yet they're given elite status. Why is that? Perhaps the list above should be expanded to about 20, e.g. the best player/alpha dog for every single team in the NBA.
Quote from: Lucky17 on August 18, 2010, 12:07:16 AMQuote"Guys who can be a number one option on a finals team"DuncanDirkCarmeloDeronCP3So, does Paul Pierce belong on that list?If not, are we just deluding ourselves that Banner 18 is in the near future? Or are we banking everything on Rondo making a quantum leap?Interesting mention. I think the celtics of '08 and the celtics of next season will be more of a team effort to win a championship than relying on a #1 option. I think instead of "can be the number 1 option" it would be more appropriately (while verbosely) named "can be relied on as a number 1 option". Even Pierce said that down 2 at the end of a game that Ray should take the final shot, not him. Those guys on that list could win a title while refusing to defer to a teammate for the final shot (unless dishing out the necessary assist).Otherwise, you'd have to technically include Chauncey Billups on that list too, right? It could be argued that Billups and Pierce were not the most important players on their teams. I'm not sure either could win a title on a team that they were undisputably the most important player. The players above could be. Although I don't necessarily put Deron in that list.
Quote"Guys who can be a number one option on a finals team"DuncanDirkCarmeloDeronCP3So, does Paul Pierce belong on that list?If not, are we just deluding ourselves that Banner 18 is in the near future? Or are we banking everything on Rondo making a quantum leap?
"Guys who can be a number one option on a finals team"DuncanDirkCarmeloDeronCP3
Jameer is a good pick at this point.
Quote from: Lucky17 on August 18, 2010, 10:37:34 AMQuote from: action781 on August 18, 2010, 01:01:31 AMQuote from: Lucky17 on August 18, 2010, 12:07:16 AMQuote"Guys who can be a number one option on a finals team"DuncanDirkCarmeloDeronCP3So, does Paul Pierce belong on that list?If not, are we just deluding ourselves that Banner 18 is in the near future? Or are we banking everything on Rondo making a quantum leap?Interesting mention. I think the celtics of '08 and the celtics of next season will be more of a team effort to win a championship than relying on a #1 option. I think instead of "can be the number 1 option" it would be more appropriately (while verbosely) named "can be relied on as a number 1 option". Even Pierce said that down 2 at the end of a game that Ray should take the final shot, not him. Those guys on that list could win a title while refusing to defer to a teammate for the final shot (unless dishing out the necessary assist).Otherwise, you'd have to technically include Chauncey Billups on that list too, right? It could be argued that Billups and Pierce were not the most important players on their teams. I'm not sure either could win a title on a team that they were undisputably the most important player. The players above could be. Although I don't necessarily put Deron in that list.I'm glad someone picked up the bait here.I think there's a certain amount of tautology behind these tiers. There's a "conventional wisdom" that there's only a handful of truly elite players, because they have been the best players on the most recent Finals contenders.Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, and Deron Williams haven't even sniffed the NBA Finals, and yet they're given elite status. Why is that? Perhaps the list above should be expanded to about 20, e.g. the best player/alpha dog for every single team in the NBA.Neither has Kevin Durrant. Is he tier 2?
Quote from: IndeedProceed on August 18, 2010, 10:37:02 AMAs long as you have someone else in the post who will make sure Landry doesn't get suffocated. EDIT: Also make sure he stays away from Tyra. They're just a horrible mix. I know Landry can't find love, but he can't compromise either. He needs Matt Sareson to come back from Chicago.
As long as you have someone else in the post who will make sure Landry doesn't get suffocated.
Maggette is a very efficient scorer, he's a selfish high usage player as well.He's one of several wings that are pretty much tied in my opinion at this point.
The New Orleans Buccaneers select DeMarcus Cousins.YES I DID!!!!
Quote from: The Walker Wiggle on August 18, 2010, 10:52:39 AMThe New Orleans Buccaneers select DeMarcus Cousins.YES I DID!!!!High risk, high reward player. I like it. You put him with two hard working, proper approach to the game players. Should help him mature into the player he is capable of being.