Celtics re-sign Daniels

[Jon]

I'm happy with this since we don't have to use an asset (i.e Sheed's contract) to get him.  Like Nick said though he is a little fragile so I would like an additional wing for more insurance.   Maybe Rasual Butler for the vet min.   We still have Sheed's contract in play if DA wants to still try and pull off a bigger move later on but he seems to be very patient and not in a rush to move that contract just yet.   

Reading my mind.  Good post.

I largely agree; however, how long does Danny have to make this deal?  Can he go into the season or even preseason without either trading Rasheed and then having him retire OR having Rasheed report to camp? 

I mean if he sits at home when training camp starts, is the league going to force him to retire, thus negating any shot we have to trade him? 

I think they'll be able to hold out and trade Sheed at mid-season and then have him retire.

Sheed won't need to report to the team and play ... but the C's would need to pay him his paycheck until he is traded.

Will the NBA crack down on this though?  It's one thing to trade Sheed now and then have him retire.  There's no way for the league to really prove that it was premeditated on the C's part.  However, if he sits around and doesn't play for 3 months with no good reason, will they nix a deal?  

[Change]

Marquis is the epitome of the “good at all, great at none” type of player. He can do everything at a good to above average level, but he’s really not great at anything.

*Good slasher
*Respectable jump shooter (from mid-range)
*Smart distributor (for a non-PG)
*Good rebounder
*Capable defender
*Seems like a nice locker room guy


He’s a poor man’s Tony Allen

Funny how a year ago TA was considered a poor man's Marquis Daniel. Aw, how times have changed! Watching Tony finally flip the switch was fun to watch. Going to miss the guy.

Hopefully Marquis can take the opportunity and run with it. He's capable of much more than what he showed last season.

So whats up with Rasual Butler? would be a nice complement to Q.

[the_Bird]

Like the signing, like it a lot.  Would love it if we can get someone who can hit a 3 on occassion to help out, too.  Stack would be nice as the 4th wing, he and Daniels have pretty complementary skillsets.

We definitely need a wing with an outside shot. Just to compliment Marquis off the bench.

Bring Finley back? I think Stack and Fin are both at the same places in their careers, same type of roles... but Finley has the edge in 3PT shooting.

Not sure most of the cheap "shooter-" types can play much D...  but Finley couldn't stay on the court, he's so old.  I'd rather have a guy like Stack, who can hit the jumper but still create his own shot.  Don't want someone who's going to be solely reliant on Nate or Quis to get him the ball.  

Wouldn't mind a season of Jason Kapono, if the Sixers would give him up for 'Sheed.  Would rather we make a bigger splash with the contract, but Kapono would help.

[Bahku]

Not happy with this at all ... this is good money, wasted, IMHO. This is a very talented guy, but one who, when he finds himself on the "Big Stage", (in real games), is tentative, reluctant, mistake-prone, and confused, at best.

He could be a great baller, but just refuses to be aggressive enough to make the most of his talents and opportunities. I'll cross my fingers and pray that he can come out of his shell, but I'd still rather have spent this money in more constructive fashion.

[housecall]

Marquis has never played a full 82game season in his seven seasons in the NBA...hope this season is his first full season.

I wish we could have found someone else but i understand when the pickings are slim.

[wdleehi]

Not happy with this at all ... this is good money, wasted, IMHO. This is a very talented guy, but one who, when he finds himself on the "Big Stage", (in real games), is tentative, reluctant, mistake-prone, and confused, at best.

He could be a great baller, but just refuses to be aggressive enough to make the most of his talents and opportunities. I'll cross my fingers and pray that he can come out of his shell, but I'd still rather have spent this money in more constructive fashion.

How so?

If they did not sign him, they would not have that money to sign someone else because of salary cap rules.


At worst, they signed a deep bench player that has experience and has shown results to a one year deal that could be used as cap filler in a trade.

[wdleehi]

Was he really the third wing on offense?


I remember him being more the 2nd PG offensively.



With Nate, I would expect him to be more of a wing on offense now instead of worrying about running an offense.  That's what he did when he was more successful in previous years.

[mgent]

Do you people really think this is a good idea?

This is a guy who bumped his head into someone's chest in the playoffs and was lost to the team for the remainder of the playoffs with a concussion, right? The man is fragile and injury prone. We are going to be paying $2.5 million for about 50 games because that's all he seems to be able to get through before getting hurt.

Granted, the pickings are slim but, I'm not thrilled with paying a guy for half a year's work.

He is injury prone, but aren't you being a little harsh about the concussion thing?

Please.  He literally tapped his head on Gortat's chest, while both were standing still.  In fact, the refs didn't even let him off the court.  The Celts had to intentionally foul (unless I'm thinking of a different injury).

[xmuscularghandix]

Like the signing, like it a lot.  Would love it if we can get someone who can hit a 3 on occassion to help out, too.  Stack would be nice as the 4th wing, he and Daniels have pretty complementary skillsets.

We definitely need a wing with an outside shot. Just to compliment Marquis off the bench.

Bring Finley back? I think Stack and Fin are both at the same places in their careers, same type of roles... but Finley has the edge in 3PT shooting.

Not sure most of the cheap "shooter-" types can play much D...  but Finley couldn't stay on the court, he's so old.  I'd rather have a guy like Stack, who can hit the jumper but still create his own shot.  Don't want someone who's going to be solely reliant on Nate or Quis to get him the ball.  

Wouldn't mind a season of Jason Kapono, if the Sixers would give him up for 'Sheed.  Would rather we make a bigger splash with the contract, but Kapono would help.

What can Stack do that Finley can’t?

The only reason Fin was on the bench was because we were good. If we had Stackhouse in the playoffs he would have been sitting behind Tony as well.


Now that i’m reading even further... Kopono is an even worse defender than Finley, and he doesn’t have age to use as an excuse.

[xmuscularghandix]

Was he really the third wing on offense?


I remember him being more the 2nd PG offensively.



With Nate, I would expect him to be more of a wing on offense now instead of worrying about running an offense.  That's what he did when he was more successful in previous years.

Exactly.

Before Nate arrived it was like this:

PG: Marquis
SG: House
SF: Tony/Scal/Finley/Walker/Pierce/Ray
PF: Sheldon (because Glen was a baby)
 C: Sheed

And they scored nicely because cross match ups would allow us to attack the opposing PG with A) Marquis in the post, or B) Make him chase eddie off screens

[DinTN]

Could MD bring his buddy Josh Howard?

[GreenFaith1819]

Welcome Back, Marquis!

With a more defined role, he will be a Steal for us. Mark it down. He will be a very capable relief for Ray and Paul. He may not have the range of Ray, but he can spot him some minutes easily, I think.

[bobdelt]

Marquis is the epitome of the “good at all, great at none” type of player. He can do everything at a good to above average level, but he’s really not great at anything.

*Good slasher
*Respectable jump shooter (from mid-range)
*Smart distributor (for a non-PG)
*Good rebounder
*Capable defender
*Seems like a nice locker room guy


He’s a poor man’s Tony Allen

He's the opposite of Tony Allen, TA was good on defense and TERRIBLE at everything else.

[bobdelt]

I'm happy with this since we don't have to use an asset (i.e Sheed's contract) to get him.  Like Nick said though he is a little fragile so I would like an additional wing for more insurance.   Maybe Rasual Butler for the vet min.   We still have Sheed's contract in play if DA wants to still try and pull off a bigger move later on but he seems to be very patient and not in a rush to move that contract just yet.   

Reading my mind.  Good post.

I largely agree; however, how long does Danny have to make this deal?  Can he go into the season or even preseason without either trading Rasheed and then having him retire OR having Rasheed report to camp? 

I mean if he sits at home when training camp starts, is the league going to force him to retire, thus negating any shot we have to trade him? 

I think they'll be able to hold out and trade Sheed at mid-season and then have him retire.

Sheed won't need to report to the team and play ... but the C's would need to pay him his paycheck until he is traded.

Will the NBA crack down on this though?  It's one thing to trade Sheed now and then have him retire.  There's no way for the league to really prove that it was premeditated on the C's part.  However, if he sits around and doesn't play for 3 months with no good reason, will they nix a deal?  

I think the NBA has to let this happen, because it's part of their own CBA rules. It doesnt violate the CBA, and in fact the CBA requires a buyout. A lot as to do with deferred comp, and giving older players long term contracts, the league doesnt like it. The players do.

All I've heard about Sheed's contract is that he must be bought out, he can't just file retirement papers and call it a day, unless he choses to be bought out for a buck (unlikely). So it's not a pure salary dump, for 12 million dollars sheed flys around and half asses for season or two, with an "injury". He's gonna make it worth his while to retire, that's a lot of money to give up.

[xmuscularghandix]

ALSO!

If he gets a haircut i’ll probably be more likely to love him. I can’t stand Basketball players with long hair. It just makes me question their dedication to the game.