Paul is better than Rondo

[jdpapa3]

I have a lot of loyalty to Rondo, he wants to be here and let's face it - he took a discount to stay here.

No one denies Paul is a great player, but on the list of teams he's supposedly handed to NO as possible trade partners - NY Knicks, Orlando, Dallas and Portland - Boston is absent. He seems to have no interest in coming here.

Because he's assuming Rondo would still be here...you let him know that Rondo is outgoing and he'd be right on board.

[xmuscularghandix]

The problem trading for Paul? In a few years we too will be rebuilding and he will be complaining again.

Wisdom.  TP.

Agreed.

[RJ87]

I have a lot of loyalty to Rondo, he wants to be here and let's face it - he took a discount to stay here.

No one denies Paul is a great player, but on the list of teams he's supposedly handed to NO as possible trade partners - NY Knicks, Orlando, Dallas and Portland - Boston is absent. He seems to have no interest in coming here.

Because he's assuming Rondo would still be here...you let him know that Rondo is outgoing and he'd be right on board.

he named Dallas, they have Kidd and Beaubois

[xmuscularghandix]

Chris Paul can score better. Rondo can do EVERYTHING ELSE better.

Paul is a better scorer, a better overall shooter, a better free throw shooter, a better three point shooter, a better rebounder (believe it or not) and a better passer.  He scores more points, gets more rebounds, gets more assists, has fewer turnovers, gets more steals, and gets to the line more often.  Their defense is probably roughly equal, although I don't blame people who pick Rondo.

Take a look, comparing Rondo vs. Paul's '09 and '10 seasons:

Link.

Paul only had more assists because all of the teams assists came from him.

His team also doesn’t rebound well, so he HAS to hit the boards.

I stick to my guns. CP3 may be able to shoot better but i think Rondo has the edge in everything else (not by alot). I also don’t like Pauls game, he pounds the ball into the ground too much.

You can say i’m a homer for not wanting him but that’s fine. I think Rondo is better.

[xmuscularghandix]

I have a lot of loyalty to Rondo, he wants to be here and let's face it - he took a discount to stay here.

No one denies Paul is a great player, but on the list of teams he's supposedly handed to NO as possible trade partners - NY Knicks, Orlando, Dallas and Portland - Boston is absent. He seems to have no interest in coming here.

Because he's assuming Rondo would still be here...you let him know that Rondo is outgoing and he'd be right on board.

he named Dallas, they have Kidd and Beaubois

Kidd is 60 years old, and Beaubois isn’t a good starting PGj, as of right now he’s a good bench guy.

[Roy Hobbs]

Chris Paul can score better. Rondo can do EVERYTHING ELSE better.

Paul is a better scorer, a better overall shooter, a better free throw shooter, a better three point shooter, a better rebounder (believe it or not) and a better passer.  He scores more points, gets more rebounds, gets more assists, has fewer turnovers, gets more steals, and gets to the line more often.  Their defense is probably roughly equal, although I don't blame people who pick Rondo.

Take a look, comparing Rondo vs. Paul's '09 and '10 seasons:

Link.

Paul only had more assists because all of the teams assists came from him.

His team also doesn’t rebound well, so he HAS to hit the boards.

I stick to my guns. CP3 may be able to shoot better but i think Rondo has the edge in everything else (not by alot). I also don’t like Pauls game, he pounds the ball into the ground too much.

You can say i’m a homer for not wanting him but that’s fine. I think Rondo is better.

If Paul has the ball in his hands more, that may explain why he has more assists.  Why, though, would he have fewer turnovers?  Shouldn't he have more, if he was an equal or lesser passer compared to Rondo?

More assists + fewer turnovers generally equals the better passer.  (According to 82games.com, even in this past injury-plagued season, Paul averaged 7.6 assists per bad pass, as opposed to 4.6/bad pass for Rondo.)

[Mr October]

Another factor in this debate:

Is Paul at 16 million per year, with the ability to opt out after 2 years better than Rondo at 11 million per year for 5 years?

I think yes, but the financial info makes me pause.

[BballTim]

Chris Paul can score better. Rondo can do EVERYTHING ELSE better.

Paul is a better scorer, a better overall shooter, a better free throw shooter, a better three point shooter, a better rebounder (believe it or not) and a better passer.  He scores more points, gets more rebounds, gets more assists, has fewer turnovers, gets more steals, and gets to the line more often.  Their defense is probably roughly equal, although I don't blame people who pick Rondo.

Take a look, comparing Rondo vs. Paul's '09 and '10 seasons:

Link.

Paul only had more assists because all of the teams assists came from him.

His team also doesn’t rebound well, so he HAS to hit the boards.

I stick to my guns. CP3 may be able to shoot better but i think Rondo has the edge in everything else (not by alot). I also don’t like Pauls game, he pounds the ball into the ground too much.

You can say i’m a homer for not wanting him but that’s fine. I think Rondo is better.

If Paul has the ball in his hands more, that may explain why he has more assists.  Why, though, would he have fewer turnovers?  Shouldn't he have more, if he was an equal or lesser passer compared to Rondo?

More assists + fewer turnovers generally equals the better passer.  (According to 82games.com, even in this past injury-plagued season, Paul averaged 7.6 assists per bad pass, as opposed to 4.6/bad pass for Rondo.)

  The other 4 starters for Boston average 9.4 assists a game. If you look at NO in 2009 (2010 doesn't really work because CP was out so much) the other 4 starters average about 4.9 assists a game. NO players are more likely to shoot the ball from a CP pass, Celts are more likely to make another pass. That means it would take Rondo more passes to get an assist. He could easily have the same number (or fewer) turnovers per pass but still have more turnovers per assist.

[GreenEnvy]

Another factor in this debate:

Is Paul at 16 million per year, with the ability to opt out after 2 years better than Rondo at 11 million per year for 5 years?

I think yes, but the financial info makes me pause.

That is important.

I think we would need a KG-esque pre-trade extension worked out if any deal took place.

CP3 $14.9M
for
Rondo $9M ($4.5 BYC)
'Sheed $6.3M
Gaffney/Lafayette $1.5M

NO cuts Gaffney/Lafayette, and 'Sheed retires. NO saves nearly $6M this year alone, but is that enough to do the deal? Do we need to include picks? First- or second-rounders? How many?

We can't even take back another contract of theirs, because at that point the trade really wouldn't benefit us. We could take back Posey, but then we would have to give up Baby and S&T Marquis. Then we lose a young player and it weakens our frontcourt substantially.

I see that NO has several trade exceptions, how can that factor into a potential deal (Mo Pete at $6.2M being the largest)?

[Rondo9dunx]

Even if you think Paul is better than Rondo there is no arguing that Rondo is one of the top 3-5 PG in the NBA.. why upgrade that position? I'd be more concerned with who is gonna replace KG and ray ray and eventually PP.

Not to mention rondo is SO much cheaper than paul, already a fan fav, already knows the system and has a relationship with DA.
He's proven that the team can win with him as the PG. He played great in the LA series for the most part(free throws not included) but Ray Allen couldnt hit a shot, KG looked tired, Pierce played well but not well enough, perkins was constantly on the verge of getting a tech and getting booted. Wallace was hurt the whole series... There's so many reasons OTHER than rondo that could explain why we lost....


If it aint broke dont fix it. We need a younger backup shooter for ray and paul, we dont need another top 5 point guard

[GreenEnvy]

Even if you think Paul is better than Rondo there is no arguing that Rondo is one of the top 3-5 PG in the NBA.. why upgrade that position? I'd be more concerned with who is gonna replace KG and ray ray and eventually PP.

Not to mention rondo is SO much cheaper than paul, already a fan fav, already knows the system and has a relationship with DA.
He's proven that the team can win with him as the PG. He played great in the LA series for the most part(free throws not included) but Ray Allen couldnt hit a shot, KG looked tired, Pierce played well but not well enough, perkins was constantly on the verge of getting a tech and getting booted. Wallace was hurt the whole series... There's so many reasons OTHER than rondo that could explain why we lost....


If it aint broke dont fix it. We need a younger backup shooter for ray and paul, we dont need another top 5 point guard

If you CAN upgrade at any position, you inquire about it.

Paul can make it SOOO much easier for the Big Three on offense, and won't affect them much on defense.

Overall, Rondo is great in the playoffs, but for every extraordinary game he has, he has a mediocre one and a bad one.

We certainly aren't broke, but there is definitely room for improvement (HEALTHIER KNEES!!!!).

[Celtics Fan]

Even if you think Paul is better than Rondo there is no arguing that Rondo is one of the top 3-5 PG in the NBA.. why upgrade that position? I'd be more concerned with who is gonna replace KG and ray ray and eventually PP.

Not to mention rondo is SO much cheaper than paul, already a fan fav, already knows the system and has a relationship with DA.
He's proven that the team can win with him as the PG. He played great in the LA series for the most part(free throws not included) but Ray Allen couldnt hit a shot, KG looked tired, Pierce played well but not well enough, perkins was constantly on the verge of getting a tech and getting booted. Wallace was hurt the whole series... There's so many reasons OTHER than rondo that could explain why we lost....


If it aint broke dont fix it. We need a younger backup shooter for ray and paul, we dont need another top 5 point guard

If you CAN upgrade at any position, you inquire about it.

Paul can make it SOOO much easier for the Big Three on offense, and won't affect them much on defense.

Overall, Rondo is great in the playoffs, but for every extraordinary game he has, he has a mediocre one and a bad one.

We certainly aren't broke, but there is definitely room for improvement (HEALTHIER KNEES!!!!).

This brother gets it we need to focus on a SG and SF.

[ManUp]

I acknowledge that Paul is better than Rondo right now, but I feel like Rondo is special. I think Rondo could make us pay if we ever traded him. I believe he will eventually surpass Paul as he has almost every point guard he's been compared to up to this point. I think Rondo will end up being a prime Jason Kidd type, i wouldn't doubt that he's already capable of carrying a team to the play-offs (in a weak conference).

[More Banners]

I'd say that CP has the ball so much because he is the only playmaker on the floor.  Nobody else on that team can do anything else with the ball offensively, other that put it right up.

Could a moderator merge the RR/CP threads?  Thanks.

[greg_kite]

Even if you think Paul is better than Rondo there is no arguing that Rondo is one of the top 3-5 PG in the NBA.. why upgrade that position? I'd be more concerned with who is gonna replace KG and ray ray and eventually PP.

Not to mention rondo is SO much cheaper than paul, already a fan fav, already knows the system and has a relationship with DA.
He's proven that the team can win with him as the PG. He played great in the LA series for the most part(free throws not included) but Ray Allen couldnt hit a shot, KG looked tired, Pierce played well but not well enough, perkins was constantly on the verge of getting a tech and getting booted. Wallace was hurt the whole series... There's so many reasons OTHER than rondo that could explain why we lost....


If it aint broke dont fix it. We need a younger backup shooter for ray and paul, we dont need another top 5 point guard

If you CAN upgrade at any position, you inquire about it.

Paul can make it SOOO much easier for the Big Three on offense, and won't affect them much on defense.

Overall, Rondo is great in the playoffs, but for every extraordinary game he has, he has a mediocre one and a bad one.

We certainly aren't broke, but there is definitely room for improvement (HEALTHIER KNEES!!!!).

I agree.  Paul can do one thing that Rondo can't: consistently carry an entire offense.  Ideally he shouldn't have to, but that's one thing the C's lack right now.  A definitive go to guy.  That would be CP3 without a doubt.

Another thing to consider about Rondo, he relies so much on his athleticism.  If he loses a half a step and has to rely more on his skills he will no longer be an elite guy.  Most point guards can still shoot after they lose a step, Rondo can't.  He just might be at his peak value right now, it might be a good time to move him for a real superstar.