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Re: Paul is better than Rondo
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2010, 11:29:49 AM »

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Plain and simple he is a better player. Quickness is similar, much better jump shooter, can defend NEARLY as well.

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Rondo 09-10 Peak year: 13.7pts 9.8asts 4.4rbs 2.3steals. 50FG% 62FT% 21%3P

I love Rajon but as the Big 3 age even more the PG spot needs to score more and Paul will be better off doing that.

If you can get him do it, as he would make Boston an even more viable place for stars to come.

I think Paul is better than Rondo, but it's not quite as big a gap as those stats make out.  Paul dominates NO in a way that Rondo doesn't and shouldn't dominate in Boston.

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Re: Paul is better than Rondo
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2010, 11:31:06 AM »

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Rondo is going to be a Celtic great he shouldnt be a trade option, tell me you guys are not turning your backs on the young stud because of Paul is pulling a LEBRICK. If Rondo could read this blog He'll probably would be like WOW REALLY? Now I want out on Boston. You guys need to trade me for Talfair, all becasue you dont appreciate what you have. I'm a big Celtic fan and it bothers me when we cry over things that are not important. A pg? No we need a SG and SF point blank. I'm not with swaping a double double point guard with good defense for a nother double double guard with no d piont blank.


And Paul would have the chance to be an even greater Celtic if he was added. 

And Paul plays defense at the same level as Rondo.

Re: Paul is better than Rondo
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2010, 11:35:20 AM »

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Rondo is going to be a Celtic great he shouldnt be a trade option, tell me you guys are not turning your backs on the young stud because of Paul is pulling a LEBRICK. If Rondo could read this blog He'll probably would be like WOW REALLY? Now I want out on Boston. You guys need to trade me for Talfair, all becasue you dont appreciate what you have. I'm a big Celtic fan and it bothers me when we cry over things that are not important. A pg? No we need a SG and SF point blank. I'm not with swaping a double double point guard with good defense for a nother double double guard with no d piont blank.


And Paul would have the chance to be an even greater Celtic if he was added. 

And Paul plays defense at the same level as Rondo.

You don't trade Rondo. He is going to be great he is almost there. Trust me.

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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2010, 11:38:03 AM »

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Rondo is going to be a Celtic great he shouldnt be a trade option, tell me you guys are not turning your backs on the young stud because of Paul is pulling a LEBRICK. If Rondo could read this blog He'll probably would be like WOW REALLY? Now I want out on Boston. You guys need to trade me for Talfair, all becasue you dont appreciate what you have. I'm a big Celtic fan and it bothers me when we cry over things that are not important. A pg? No we need a SG and SF point blank. I'm not with swaping a double double point guard with good defense for a nother double double guard with no d piont blank.


And Paul would have the chance to be an even greater Celtic if he was added. 

And Paul plays defense at the same level as Rondo.

You don't trade Rondo. He is going to be great he is almost there. Trust me.


I agree that Rondo has a chance to be special.


Paul is special.  We all hope Rondo will get to close to what Paul already is.  We ignore that Paul can also improve. 

Re: Paul is better than Rondo
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2010, 11:39:34 AM »

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Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

There's no shame in not being the best point guard in the league, though.  Rondo is an excellent young point guard; I just think he has a more flawed game than CP3, and I don't expect those flaws to ever be completely remedied.

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Re: Paul is better than Rondo
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2010, 11:43:52 AM »

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Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

There's no shame in not being the best point guard in the league, though.  Rondo is an excellent young point guard; I just think he has a more flawed game than CP3, and I don't expect those flaws to ever be completely remedied.

We could won the finals this year with Rajon the guy kept us in alot of game, you guys sure forget. I hope we trade him and see what we will be missing, and then you guys will be whinning lets bring Rajon back, by then he'll be too expensive.

Re: Paul is better than Rondo
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2010, 11:45:15 AM »

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There are many different types of passes.

Passes which create easy shots near the hoop, midrange shots, long shot attempts (three pointers). Passes which are straight forward (hitting a shooter like Ray coming off a screen) to passes which require a huge amount of creativity and vision to pull off.

Some passes rely on pace and pushing the ball in transition (Magic Johnson) to dribble penetration (Stephon Marbury) to more of a setup guard (Jose Calderon) who fires low risk passes from the top of the key.

Some passes are intended to put offensive players in positions to make plays. To set Pierce up for an isolation or Garnett on a post up. Others are intended to set up players to finish plays, for Tyson Chandler to grab an alley-oop and flush it home or James Posey to hit a catch and shoot three pointer.

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I've always felt Chris Paul has been overrated as a passer.

He is a terrific playmaker (putting players in positions to finish plays), the best playmaker in the league, but I've always considered players like Deron Williams + Steve Nash to be more well-rounded and consequently superior passers. I would also consider Rajon Rondo to be a superior overall passer to Chris Paul.

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That all said, I think a passer of Chris Paul's nature -- the best playmaking PG in the league -- is the best fit for this team due to the Big Three's declining ability to create their own offense.

I think Chris Paul's playmaking is a better fit for them and for the supporting cast than Rondo's more well-rounded passing.

That is one of the main reasons I'd love to see Paul here.

Re: Paul is better than Rondo
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2010, 11:46:54 AM »

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Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

There's no shame in not being the best point guard in the league, though.  Rondo is an excellent young point guard; I just think he has a more flawed game than CP3, and I don't expect those flaws to ever be completely remedied.
We could of won the finals this year with Rajon. Thanks to Ray but anyway. The guy kept us in alot of game, you guys sure forgot. I hope we trade him and see what we will be missing, and then you guys will be whinning lets bring Rajon back, by then he'll be too expensive.

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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2010, 11:47:53 AM »

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Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

There's no shame in not being the best point guard in the league, though.  Rondo is an excellent young point guard; I just think he has a more flawed game than CP3, and I don't expect those flaws to ever be completely remedied.

We could of won the finals this year with Rajon the guy kept us in alot of game, you guys sure forget. I hope we trade him and see what we will be missing, and then you guys will be whinning lets bring Rajon back, by then he'll be too expensive.

Re: Paul is better than Rondo
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2010, 11:48:45 AM »

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Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

There's no shame in not being the best point guard in the league, though.  Rondo is an excellent young point guard; I just think he has a more flawed game than CP3, and I don't expect those flaws to ever be completely remedied.

We could won the finals this year with Rajon the guy kept us in alot of game, you guys sure forget. I hope we trade him and see what we will be missing, and then you guys will be whinning lets bring Rajon back, by then he'll be too expensive.

We could have won the Finals with Paul, too.

For whatever reason, Rondo wasn't that good against Orlando or LA.  In his final 10 games of the playoffs, he had 10+ assists twice, and shot above 50% twice.  In those final 10 games, he also shot 16-for-39 (41%) on free throws.

With a better effort from our point guard, would we have won a title?  It's hard to say, but it's entirely possible.  I don't want to downplay Rondo's contributions, but I also don't want to anoint him as some infallible superstar.  CP3 is simply a much better player than he is.

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Re: Paul is better than Rondo
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2010, 11:53:15 AM »

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OK..We need a SG and SF enough of the PG talk. Rondo will be fine.

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« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2010, 11:56:14 AM »

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OK..We need a SG and SF enough of the PG talk. Rondo will be fine.
the celtics can't get a starting star level SG and SF without trading Rondo.  he is the only player that has any value, and if you trade Rondo you better replace him with a PG, and why not while your at upgrade the PG position with a vastly superior player.
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Re: Paul is better than Rondo
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2010, 11:59:14 AM »

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Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

There's no shame in not being the best point guard in the league, though.  Rondo is an excellent young point guard; I just think he has a more flawed game than CP3, and I don't expect those flaws to ever be completely remedied.

We could won the finals this year with Rajon the guy kept us in alot of game, you guys sure forget. I hope we trade him and see what we will be missing, and then you guys will be whinning lets bring Rajon back, by then he'll be too expensive.

We could have won the Finals with Paul, too.

For whatever reason, Rondo wasn't that good against Orlando or LA.  In his final 10 games of the playoffs, he had 10+ assists twice, and shot above 50% twice.  In those final 10 games, he also shot 16-for-39 (41%) on free throws.

With a better effort from our point guard, would we have won a title?  It's hard to say, but it's entirely possible.  I don't want to downplay Rondo's contributions, but I also don't want to anoint him as some infallible superstar.  CP3 is simply a much better player than he is.

You're right Roy, and that's not even taking into account the "sag off Rondo" scheme we have seen over and over that cripples our offense around the rim.

Rondo is a great PG.  Paul is still a lot better.


Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

There's no shame in not being the best point guard in the league, though.  Rondo is an excellent young point guard; I just think he has a more flawed game than CP3, and I don't expect those flaws to ever be completely remedied.

We could of won the finals this year with Rajon the guy kept us in alot of game, you guys sure forget. I hope we trade him and see what we will be missing, and then you guys will be whinning lets bring Rajon back, by then he'll be too expensive.

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Re: Paul is better than Rondo
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2010, 11:59:48 AM »

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Guys come on are you serious?

Re: Paul is better than Rondo
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2010, 12:11:13 PM »

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Plain and simple he is a better player. Quickness is similar, much better jump shooter, can defend NEARLY as well.

Paul 08-09 Peak year: 22pts 11asts 5.6rbs 2.8steals. 50%FG 86%FT. 36%3P

Rondo 09-10 Peak year: 13.7pts 9.8asts 4.4rbs 2.3steals. 50FG% 62FT% 21%3P

I love Rajon but as the Big 3 age even more the PG spot needs to score more and Paul will be better off doing that.

If you can get him do it, as he would make Boston an even more viable place for stars to come.

  Rondo can increase his scoring. He probably averaged close to 18 a game when PP and/or KG were out. But here are a few more numbers to look at:

 2006-2007

 Pierce  25/6/4
 Garnett 22/13/4
 Allen  26/5/4

 2007-2008

 Pierce  20/5/5
 Garnett  19/9/3
 Allen  17/4/3

  What happens to Chris Paul's stats when he comes here? Does he give you 18/10? Is that a massive improvement over the 16/10 you'd get from Rondo? How does everyone feel about the trade if Rondo puts up better stats on NO than Paul does on Boston? What if, without putting so much effort into keeping the big three happy with their offensive production, Rondo's offense looks like it did vs Cleveland, when he was the focal point of our offense?