Paul is better than Rondo

[housecall]

A poster said he would trade Rondo in a heartbeat...and i would drive him to the airport.

[jdpapa3]

I love Rondo, but our two biggest rivals the past few years have been Orlando and LA and they have been able to significantly curb Rondo's production, and the rest of the team as a result of this, because of their interior defense. I don't know if that jumper will ever be good enough to where they have to play him tight to the vest outside of 10 feet.

[ScalPal]

Plain and simple he is a better player. Quickness is similar, much better jump shooter, can defend NEARLY as well.

Paul 08-09 Peak year: 22pts 11asts 5.6rbs 2.8steals. 50%FG 86%FT. 36%3P

Rondo 09-10 Peak year: 13.7pts 9.8asts 4.4rbs 2.3steals. 50FG% 62FT% 21%3P

I love Rajon but as the Big 3 age even more the PG spot needs to score more and Paul will be better off doing that.

If you can get him do it, as he would make Boston an even more viable place for stars to come.

  Rondo can increase his scoring. He probably averaged close to 18 a game when PP and/or KG were out. But here are a few more numbers to look at:

 2006-2007

 Pierce  25/6/4
 Garnett 22/13/4
 Allen  26/5/4

 2007-2008

 Pierce  20/5/5
 Garnett  19/9/3
 Allen  17/4/3

  What happens to Chris Paul's stats when he comes here? Does he give you 18/10? Is that a massive improvement over the 16/10 you'd get from Rondo? How does everyone feel about the trade if Rondo puts up better stats on NO than Paul does on Boston? What if, without putting so much effort into keeping the big three happy with their offensive production, Rondo's offense looks like it did vs Cleveland, when he was the focal point of our offense?

Paul gives you 22 and 11 not 18/10. Rondo gives you 13/10 not 16/10. And yes it makes a big diffence. 9 points in a game is huge just ask Doc Rivers in Game 7 of the Finals.

[BballTim]

Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

  But what if you put Rondo on a team without the big three so he's more of a focal point of the offense? If he's getting 18-19 points and 11 or so assists and Paul's getting 21/11 with Rondo still playing great defense and rebounding well is it still a significant gap? Also, it's a lot easier to appear to bring your "A" game more often if you're the focus of the offense every night.

  Paul's a better free throw shooter, which is important. But while he's clearly a better outside shooter Rondo seems to be much better at getting to the hoop. One stretches the floor, but the other can be devastating, as the Cavs will tell you.

[Celtics Fan]

Plain and simple he is a better player. Quickness is similar, much better jump shooter, can defend NEARLY as well.

Paul 08-09 Peak year: 22pts 11asts 5.6rbs 2.8steals. 50%FG 86%FT. 36%3P

Rondo 09-10 Peak year: 13.7pts 9.8asts 4.4rbs 2.3steals. 50FG% 62FT% 21%3P

I love Rajon but as the Big 3 age even more the PG spot needs to score more and Paul will be better off doing that.

If you can get him do it, as he would make Boston an even more viable place for stars to come.

  Rondo can increase his scoring. He probably averaged close to 18 a game when PP and/or KG were out. But here are a few more numbers to look at:

 2006-2007

 Pierce  25/6/4
 Garnett 22/13/4
 Allen  26/5/4

 2007-2008

 Pierce  20/5/5
 Garnett  19/9/3
 Allen  17/4/3

  What happens to Chris Paul's stats when he comes here? Does he give you 18/10? Is that a massive improvement over the 16/10 you'd get from Rondo? How does everyone feel about the trade if Rondo puts up better stats on NO than Paul does on Boston? What if, without putting so much effort into keeping the big three happy with their offensive production, Rondo's offense looks like it did vs Cleveland, when he was the focal point of our offense?

Paul gives you 22 and 11 not 18/10. Rondo gives you 13/10 not 16/10. And yes it makes a big diffence. 9 points in a game is huge just ask Doc Rivers in Game 7 of the Finals.

Aye we lost that as a team Not because of Rajon. And the refs too.

[BballTim]

Plain and simple he is a better player. Quickness is similar, much better jump shooter, can defend NEARLY as well.

Paul 08-09 Peak year: 22pts 11asts 5.6rbs 2.8steals. 50%FG 86%FT. 36%3P

Rondo 09-10 Peak year: 13.7pts 9.8asts 4.4rbs 2.3steals. 50FG% 62FT% 21%3P

I love Rajon but as the Big 3 age even more the PG spot needs to score more and Paul will be better off doing that.

If you can get him do it, as he would make Boston an even more viable place for stars to come.

  Rondo can increase his scoring. He probably averaged close to 18 a game when PP and/or KG were out. But here are a few more numbers to look at:

 2006-2007

 Pierce  25/6/4
 Garnett 22/13/4
 Allen  26/5/4

 2007-2008

 Pierce  20/5/5
 Garnett  19/9/3
 Allen  17/4/3

  What happens to Chris Paul's stats when he comes here? Does he give you 18/10? Is that a massive improvement over the 16/10 you'd get from Rondo? How does everyone feel about the trade if Rondo puts up better stats on NO than Paul does on Boston? What if, without putting so much effort into keeping the big three happy with their offensive production, Rondo's offense looks like it did vs Cleveland, when he was the focal point of our offense?

Paul gives you 22 and 11 not 18/10. Rondo gives you 13/10 not 16/10. And yes it makes a big diffence. 9 points in a game is huge just ask Doc Rivers in Game 7 of the Finals.

  Apparently you completely misunderstood my post.

[wdleehi]

Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

  But what if you put Rondo on a team without the big three so he's more of a focal point of the offense? If he's getting 18-19 points and 11 or so assists and Paul's getting 21/11 with Rondo still playing great defense and rebounding well is it still a significant gap? Also, it's a lot easier to appear to bring your "A" game more often if you're the focus of the offense every night.

  Paul's a better free throw shooter, which is important. But while he's clearly a better outside shooter Rondo seems to be much better at getting to the hoop. One stretches the floor, but the other can be devastating, as the Cavs will tell you.

With lesser offensive players, Rondo's assists will go up?

[Who]

Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

  But what if you put Rondo on a team without the big three so he's more of a focal point of the offense? If he's getting 18-19 points and 11 or so assists and Paul's getting 21/11 with Rondo still playing great defense and rebounding well is it still a significant gap? Also, it's a lot easier to appear to bring your "A" game more often if you're the focus of the offense every night.

  Paul's a better free throw shooter, which is important. But while he's clearly a better outside shooter Rondo seems to be much better at getting to the hoop. One stretches the floor, but the other can be devastating, as the Cavs will tell you.

With lesser offensive players, Rondo's assists will go up?

Yes, because Rondo will have the ball in his hands more often.

[RAcker]

Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

There's no shame in not being the best point guard in the league, though.  Rondo is an excellent young point guard; I just think he has a more flawed game than CP3, and I don't expect those flaws to ever be completely remedied.

Amen, brother.  Amen.

[Moranis]

Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

  But what if you put Rondo on a team without the big three so he's more of a focal point of the offense? If he's getting 18-19 points and 11 or so assists and Paul's getting 21/11 with Rondo still playing great defense and rebounding well is it still a significant gap? Also, it's a lot easier to appear to bring your "A" game more often if you're the focus of the offense every night.

  Paul's a better free throw shooter, which is important. But while he's clearly a better outside shooter Rondo seems to be much better at getting to the hoop. One stretches the floor, but the other can be devastating, as the Cavs will tell you.

and if you are the focus of your offense, you are also the focus of the defense and thus are double teamed more often and the guys guarding you are brining their "A" game.

Paul is better then Rondo.  It isn't close, you seem to acknowledge this, but yet seem to argue you'd still rather have Rondo which really doesn't make any sense.

[More Banners]

Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

  But what if you put Rondo on a team without the big three so he's more of a focal point of the offense? If he's getting 18-19 points and 11 or so assists and Paul's getting 21/11 with Rondo still playing great defense and rebounding well is it still a significant gap? Also, it's a lot easier to appear to bring your "A" game more often if you're the focus of the offense every night.

  Paul's a better free throw shooter, which is important. But while he's clearly a better outside shooter Rondo seems to be much better at getting to the hoop. One stretches the floor, but the other can be devastating, as the Cavs will tell you.

There are a few things we know about the NBA.  If the overall talent level of the team goes down, player's numbers often go up.  It's the "hey, someone's gotta score" theory.  So yes, Rondo's scoring numbers may go up in the future, as he generates more of the offense himself.  That doesn't mean he will be as good as CP3, even if his counting numbers improve.  I'm pretty sure the advanced stats (which I don't completely understand, get into, or care all that much about) will continue to favor CP3 (assuming they currently do, as I don't really know).

I agree with Roy on this one.  Rondo is top-5, CP3 his higher top-5, and not all top-5's are equal.

[Celtics Fan]

Well so much for dreaming about Paul we have Rondo and now its time to win another banner.

[wdleehi]

Well so much for dreaming about Paul we have Rondo and now its time to win another banner.

Yes



So it would be foolish for Ainge not to explore the chance to upgrade a starting position to give the team a better chance to win this season.

[BballTim]

Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

There's no shame in not being the best point guard in the league, though.  Rondo is an excellent young point guard; I just think he has a more flawed game than CP3, and I don't expect those flaws to ever be completely remedied.

We could won the finals this year with Rajon the guy kept us in alot of game, you guys sure forget. I hope we trade him and see what we will be missing, and then you guys will be whinning lets bring Rajon back, by then he'll be too expensive.

We could have won the Finals with Paul, too.

For whatever reason, Rondo wasn't that good against Orlando or LA.  In his final 10 games of the playoffs, he had 10+ assists twice, and shot above 50% twice.  In those final 10 games, he also shot 16-for-39 (41%) on free throws.

With a better effort from our point guard, would we have won a title?  It's hard to say, but it's entirely possible.  I don't want to downplay Rondo's contributions, but I also don't want to anoint him as some infallible superstar.  CP3 is simply a much better player than he is.

  Without knowing the full story, you could draw a line through Rondo's playoffs before and after he had to leave the game in Orlando with leg/back spasms and his numbers (especially shooting percentages) were markedly worse afterward.

[wdleehi]

Not only is Paul better than Rondo, I think he's significantly so.  Rondo is a top five PG, but there's still a large gap between the two players.  I expect there will be until Rondo becomes a competent shooter on his jumper and free throws.  Paul is also more consistent in terms of bringing his "A" game.

There's no shame in not being the best point guard in the league, though.  Rondo is an excellent young point guard; I just think he has a more flawed game than CP3, and I don't expect those flaws to ever be completely remedied.

We could won the finals this year with Rajon the guy kept us in alot of game, you guys sure forget. I hope we trade him and see what we will be missing, and then you guys will be whinning lets bring Rajon back, by then he'll be too expensive.

We could have won the Finals with Paul, too.

For whatever reason, Rondo wasn't that good against Orlando or LA.  In his final 10 games of the playoffs, he had 10+ assists twice, and shot above 50% twice.  In those final 10 games, he also shot 16-for-39 (41%) on free throws.

With a better effort from our point guard, would we have won a title?  It's hard to say, but it's entirely possible.  I don't want to downplay Rondo's contributions, but I also don't want to anoint him as some infallible superstar.  CP3 is simply a much better player than he is.

  Without knowing the full story, you could draw a line through Rondo's playoffs before and after he had to leave the game in Orlando with leg/back spasms and his numbers (especially shooting percentages) were markedly worse afterward.

So, injury to a PG was an issue that effected the Celtics this past season?