It's just not fair

[Edgar]

I just saw a picture of James, Wade and Bosh together wearing Miami Jerseys and I think to myself,
"they actually going to play together, on the same team... OH MY GOD!!!"
You got to admit it's kinda crazy and they probably will win 70+ games but come playoff time,
you know we're going to eliminate them and i'm sure they know it.
That's the difference between winners and losers.

By the way, I'm new here and please excuse any mistakes... English is not my first language.
I just wanted to share my thoughts.

Welcome welcome, and have a good time around here!

Tommy point for the English, seems rather alright

Many here haven't got English as their first language, so no worries.

it is me sr.
 

[wdleehi]

Paul and Lebron have cancelled each other out in playoff series.

Dwyane Wade CANNOT cover Ray Allen. And it’s looked bad.

KG has laughed at the idea of being covered by Bosh in the post.



and we still have the best all around PG in the league... Grand Theft Rondo!


I still feel good about this.

Lastly, as it’s been pointed out before, Division winners get the top seedings regardless of actual record. Orlando, Atlanta, and Miami are in the same division, AND with Cleveland dead there is no real contender in the Central division. So despite some colossal breakdown, Boston will at worst be the 2nd seed in the East.

Lebron shuts Pierce down.


Wade was shooting over 50% against the Celtics in the playoffs.



I still like Boston, but let's not make it a slam dunk.


Boston does need to avoid the 4th seed.  Teams should not want to have to go through Altanta, Orlando and Miami.

First of all, Lebron does NOT shut Pierce down. You're severely misinformed with that one. And to be honest, no one in the league can really SHUT DOWN Pierce. He's a great mid range jump shooter and one of the best three point shooter, percentage-wise, in the NBA. You can't really play good defense on jump shooters, you just do what you can and hope he has an off night. On top of that, he's a player that can create his own shot. He can ALWAYS get to his spot at either elbow and knock it down. Remember back in 2005 when he lit the Cavs up for 50 points?? I bet you do now. Or in the 2007 Playoffs when he lit Lebron up for 41 and that game will probably go down as one of the greatest playoff games off all time. Yeah Lebron scored more but who won the game? On that note, no one can guard Lebron. But thats a different story for another time. Pierce may not be the best player in the league in any single category, but he is a future HOF'er and plays his BEST when against the best, such as Lebron, Kobe, D-Wade, etc.

As far as D-Wade goes, he's unstoppable. Ray Allen cannot guard him. However, Wade cannot guard Ray either. Like I said, you can't really shut down a jump shooter. Either they make 'em or they don't. It's usually the shooter having a good or bad game. Because you're not going to stop him from shooting, you can just slow him down.

But Bosh vs. Garnet is a joke. I don't even understand why Bosh was considered the third best free agent this off season. I mean don;t get me wrong, he's good but not even close that that good. Dude only made the second team all NBA...once. I personally feel that there were better free agents than him. But to my point, even with Garnet older and injury-prone now, he would still beast Bosh.

The real question is who would win between the Celtics and Heat. And no matter who posts what with arguments for either team, we will not know until they play. Needless to say the NBA will be amazing to watch these new teams this year.

Yes, Lebron did
PCT  3PPCT  FTPCT  STL  BLK  TO   PF  TOT AST   PTS
.294 .167  1.000    3    0    4    3   2   3   13
.400 .400  1.000    1    0    4  5   4   4   14
.267 .200   .400    0    1    1  0   4   3   11
.375 .000  1.000    1    0    2  5   2   2   9
.429 .333   .667    2    0    1  3  11   7   21
.308 .600  1.000    0    0    3  4   5   3   13


Which one of these do you think is up to Pierce's standard?

[MBunge]

It is fair.  Miami made the moves they need to do to get to this point.


Cleveland and Toronto failed to keep their stars happy enough to stay. 


I still believe in Boston.

What's unfair is if Wade, LeBron and Bosh did in fact conspire to bring this about, especially if Wade let Riley know about it.  For example, Cleveland spent the last three years paying millions of dollars in luxury taxes to try and put the best possible team around LeBron, while Miami did not only not pay luxury taxes, they made very little effort to genuinely improve the team around Wade the last two years.

In normal circumstances, it should have been Wade looking to bolt Miami because they're weren't doing enough to win and join Bron in Cleveland.  If this was all a scam, how fair is it that Cleveland could now spend years digging out from all the salary they took on to try and satisfy LeBron...when there was never a real chance of that happening?

Mike

[wdleehi]

It is fair.  Miami made the moves they need to do to get to this point.


Cleveland and Toronto failed to keep their stars happy enough to stay. 


I still believe in Boston.

What's unfair is if Wade, LeBron and Bosh did in fact conspire to bring this about, especially if Wade let Riley know about it.  For example, Cleveland spent the last three years paying millions of dollars in luxury taxes to try and put the best possible team around LeBron, while Miami did not only not pay luxury taxes, they made very little effort to genuinely improve the team around Wade the last two years.

In normal circumstances, it should have been Wade looking to bolt Miami because they're weren't doing enough to win and join Bron in Cleveland.  If this was all a scam, how fair is it that Cleveland could now spend years digging out from all the salary they took on to try and satisfy LeBron...when there was never a real chance of that happening?

Mike

Wade was complaining those years about not getting enough help.  He made it clear he would leave if more help was not brought in.

Cleveland took on many bad contracts for players that were at best, third and forth options on good teams.  They capped out.  They were in an unattractive location.


Miami cleared the tables.  They were not as good as they could have been the past two seasons.  They had a desirable location.


Yes, they worked on Lebron early through Wade, but players always talk. 


At the end of the day, Lebron went where he thought he would have a better chance at winning a title and an organization that would give his 'guys' preferential treatment.  (something apparently Chicago refused to do)

[Larry Pistol]

Ok first of all, when you put stats up, you have to explain them. Didn't they ever teach you that in school? Numbers and charts are great and all, but they don't mean anything unless you title them. Are those Pierce's stats? If so, when are they from? Playoffs? be more specific.

And 13.5 PPG may not be his standard, but that's hardly shutting him down. He averaged 18 in the playoffs. Besides that, his main objective of that series was to defend Lebron, not score points. He even said that. The game plan going into that series was to defend Lebron and get Ray open shots. What happened? He had his best offensive rebounding, least amount of turnovers, and second most assists series of the playoffs.

Lebron? Averaged 5 points less than he did in the first round. His shooting percent dropped from 57% to 46%, his 3pt percentage went from 54% to 27%, his assists dropped by 1a/g, had more turnovers, etc.

Yes Lebron did slow him down. Shut him down? Hardly.  

[Larry Pistol]

Ok first of all, when you put stats up, you have to explain them. Didn't they ever teach you that in school? Numbers and charts are great and all, but they don't mean anything unless you title them. Are those Pierce's stats? If so, when are they from? Playoffs? be more specific.

And 13.5 PPG may not be his standard, but that's hardly shutting him down. He averaged 18 in the playoffs. Besides that, his main objective of that series was to defend Lebron, not score points. He even said that. The game plan going into that series was to defend Lebron and get Ray open shots. What happened? He had his best offensive rebounding, least amount of turnovers, and second most assists series of the playoffs.

Lebron? Averaged 5 points less than he did in the first round. His shooting percent dropped from 57% to 46%, his 3pt percentage went from 54% to 27%, his assists dropped by 1a/g, had more turnovers, etc.

Yes Lebron did slow him down. Shut him down? Hardly.  

This just goes back to one of the original points... Lebron and PP almost equal each other out.

[Fafnir]

Ok first of all, when you put stats up, you have to explain them. Didn't they ever teach you that in school? Numbers and charts are great and all, but they don't mean anything unless you title them. Are those Pierce's stats? If so, when are they from? Playoffs? be more specific.

And 13.5 PPG may not be his standard, but that's hardly shutting him down. He averaged 18 in the playoffs. Besides that, his main objective of that series was to defend Lebron, not score points. He even said that. The game plan going into that series was to defend Lebron and get Ray open shots. What happened? He had his best offensive rebounding, least amount of turnovers, and second most assists series of the playoffs.

Lebron? Averaged 5 points less than he did in the first round. His shooting percent dropped from 57% to 46%, his 3pt percentage went from 54% to 27%, his assists dropped by 1a/g, had more turnovers, etc.

Yes Lebron did slow him down. Shut him down? Hardly.  

This just goes back to one of the original points... Lebron and PP almost equal each other out.

No they don't, both players play tough defense against each other. But LeBron starts with higher production and loses less against Pierce.

Also Pierce got a ton of help against LeBron, LeBron guarded Pierce one on one.

[wdleehi]

Ok first of all, when you put stats up, you have to explain them. Didn't they ever teach you that in school? Numbers and charts are great and all, but they don't mean anything unless you title them. Are those Pierce's stats? If so, when are they from? Playoffs? be more specific.

And 13.5 PPG may not be his standard, but that's hardly shutting him down. He averaged 18 in the playoffs. Besides that, his main objective of that series was to defend Lebron, not score points. He even said that. The game plan going into that series was to defend Lebron and get Ray open shots. What happened? He had his beast offensive rebounding, least amount of turnovers, and second most assists series of the playoffs.

Lebron? Averaged 5 points less than he did in the first round. His shooting percent dropped from 57% to 46%, his 3pt percentage went from 54% to 27%, his assists dropped by 1a/g, had more turnovers, etc.

Yes Lebron did slow him down. Shut him down? Hardly.  

Well, since we are talking about what Pierce did when Lebron defended him in the playoffs this year, I put up my stats from my 3rd grade basketball team.  Not to bad.  


When a player of Pierces level has a series like this, either great defense was played against him or he was really hurt.


Peirce was not hurt.  



4 games of shooting less then 40%.  1 game at 40%.  A series high of 43%.



Yes, Pierce played great defense on Lebron, but Lebron played a more devastating defense on Pierce.  

The difference in the series is that Pierce has much better teammates then Lebron.  Teammates and team play that the Cavs cannot beat.

Celtics defense is to good to lose to a one man team (Wade's Miami and Lebron's Cavs)

[Larry Pistol]

Ok first of all, when you put stats up, you have to explain them. Didn't they ever teach you that in school? Numbers and charts are great and all, but they don't mean anything unless you title them. Are those Pierce's stats? If so, when are they from? Playoffs? be more specific.

And 13.5 PPG may not be his standard, but that's hardly shutting him down. He averaged 18 in the playoffs. Besides that, his main objective of that series was to defend Lebron, not score points. He even said that. The game plan going into that series was to defend Lebron and get Ray open shots. What happened? He had his best offensive rebounding, least amount of turnovers, and second most assists series of the playoffs.

Lebron? Averaged 5 points less than he did in the first round. His shooting percent dropped from 57% to 46%, his 3pt percentage went from 54% to 27%, his assists dropped by 1a/g, had more turnovers, etc.

Yes Lebron did slow him down. Shut him down? Hardly.  

This just goes back to one of the original points... Lebron and PP almost equal each other out.

No they don't, both players play tough defense against each other. But LeBron starts with higher production and loses less against Pierce.

Also Pierce got a ton of help against LeBron, LeBron guarded Pierce one on one.

For you to say that Lebron guarded PP one on one and PP needed help is absurd. They play a team sport, with team defense. Everyone on both sides helps off the ball. They both got help. And yes while Lebron scores more, they both lost 5ppg, how is Lebron losing less? Inform me with your math skills. The only way to prove your point is percentage wise. PP lost 28%. Lebron lost 16%. They still BOTH scored 5 point per game less. Thats equal.

[wdleehi]

Ok first of all, when you put stats up, you have to explain them. Didn't they ever teach you that in school? Numbers and charts are great and all, but they don't mean anything unless you title them. Are those Pierce's stats? If so, when are they from? Playoffs? be more specific.

And 13.5 PPG may not be his standard, but that's hardly shutting him down. He averaged 18 in the playoffs. Besides that, his main objective of that series was to defend Lebron, not score points. He even said that. The game plan going into that series was to defend Lebron and get Ray open shots. What happened? He had his best offensive rebounding, least amount of turnovers, and second most assists series of the playoffs.

Lebron? Averaged 5 points less than he did in the first round. His shooting percent dropped from 57% to 46%, his 3pt percentage went from 54% to 27%, his assists dropped by 1a/g, had more turnovers, etc.

Yes Lebron did slow him down. Shut him down? Hardly.  

This just goes back to one of the original points... Lebron and PP almost equal each other out.

No they don't, both players play tough defense against each other. But LeBron starts with higher production and loses less against Pierce.

Also Pierce got a ton of help against LeBron, LeBron guarded Pierce one on one.

For you to say that Lebron guarded PP one on one and PP needed help is absurd. They play a team sport, with team defense. Everyone on both sides helps off the ball. They both got help. And yes while Lebron scores more, they both lost 5ppg, how is Lebron losing less? Inform me with your math skills. The only way to prove your point is percentage wise. PP lost 28%. Lebron lost 16%. They still BOTH scored 5 point per game less. Thats equal.

They did not send double teams at Pierce.  They were getting burned by Rondo, not Pierce. 

And please explain what type of math gives you 29.7 (season average) - 26.8 (playoff average against the Celtics) =  5 ?

[Fafnir]

Ok first of all, when you put stats up, you have to explain them. Didn't they ever teach you that in school? Numbers and charts are great and all, but they don't mean anything unless you title them. Are those Pierce's stats? If so, when are they from? Playoffs? be more specific.

And 13.5 PPG may not be his standard, but that's hardly shutting him down. He averaged 18 in the playoffs. Besides that, his main objective of that series was to defend Lebron, not score points. He even said that. The game plan going into that series was to defend Lebron and get Ray open shots. What happened? He had his best offensive rebounding, least amount of turnovers, and second most assists series of the playoffs.

Lebron? Averaged 5 points less than he did in the first round. His shooting percent dropped from 57% to 46%, his 3pt percentage went from 54% to 27%, his assists dropped by 1a/g, had more turnovers, etc.

Yes Lebron did slow him down. Shut him down? Hardly.  

This just goes back to one of the original points... Lebron and PP almost equal each other out.

No they don't, both players play tough defense against each other. But LeBron starts with higher production and loses less against Pierce.

Also Pierce got a ton of help against LeBron, LeBron guarded Pierce one on one.

For you to say that Lebron guarded PP one on one and PP needed help is absurd. They play a team sport, with team defense. Everyone on both sides helps off the ball. They both got help. And yes while Lebron scores more, they both lost 5ppg, how is Lebron losing less? Inform me with your math skills. The only way to prove your point is percentage wise. PP lost 28%. Lebron lost 16%. They still BOTH scored 5 point per game less. Thats equal.

Scoring efficiently is more important than volume of scoring. Also LeBron still had more assists and his TS% was very high because he still was getting to the line.

Its not ridiculous to say LeBron guarded Pierce one on one. The Cavs scheme for defense did not have LeBron recieving much help at all on Pierce. Meanwhile the C's gameplanned to overload and over help on LeBron to try and deny him lanes into the paint.

[wdleehi]

Also, what type of math does 13.5 = 26.8 since they were canceling each other out.

[Larry Pistol]

Also, what type of math does 13.5 = 26.8 since they were canceling each other out.

Because Cleveland was centered around Lebron. The Celtics are not centered around any one player. If both teams score, let's say, 100 point per game, and each player lost 5ppg, thats equal. Yes Lebron scores more but both teams rely on them for their averages. When they loose 5ppg from their average, the teams stay EQUAL. And the 5 points thing goes back to what I originally stated: "Lebron? Averaged 5 points less [in the 2nd round against the Celts] than he did in the first round"

[wdleehi]

Also, what type of math does 13.5 = 26.8 since they were canceling each other out.

Because Cleveland was centered around Lebron. The Celtics are not centered around any one player. If both teams score, let's say, 100 point per game, and each player lost 5ppg, thats equal. Yes Lebron scores more but both teams rely on them for their averages. When they loose 5ppg from their average, the teams stay EQUAL. And the 5 points thing goes back to what I originally stated: "Lebron? Averaged 5 points less [in the 2nd round against the Celts] than he did in the first round"

Well, Pierce averaged 24 points a game against Orlando.  With your logic, can't we say his scoring was off by 11 points? 

A 5 game series against the 8th seed is Lebrons base point?  Not what he did for the 82 game regular season?


In 2008, Pierce and Lebron were a push.  In 2010, Lebron was a plus 13 with more assists, rebounds and shot a better %

[Larry Pistol]

Pierce scored less, yes. Lebron did play good defense. But PP didn't have to score his average. It's a team game and when someone's hot, give them the ball. I attribute PP scoring less to the team concept and him playing defense on Lebron. At this point in time, yes Lebron is the  better player. But to say that PP's scoring woes were due strictly to Lebron's defense is incorrect.

And he played better against the Magic bc LOOK AT WHO HE WAS GUARDING!! Vince Carter? LOL. Come on now. He's way past his prime. Orlando should have kept Hedo for crying out loud. He didn't have to focus od defense so thanks for proving my point. when all he has to do is play offense, he scores buckets. And I don't get why you say "accoring to my math." Look at everything I said, the math is all correct.

And no way do you base one's regular season stats vs their playoff stats. It's a different ball game. And yes since Lebron only played in two series, what else would you compare it to?