Tony To sign with Grizz?

[The Walker Wiggle]

The fact is that it DID make a difference. We lost game 7 because we got killed on the glass. LA had 15 extra possessions in a 4 point game that we controlled throughout until we ran out of gas at the end.

Well put. Tommy Point.

[Brendan]

I think the "24 win alumni team" is an idiotic "dis" being hurled primarily at other posters and not players. Go through the roster of all champions - plenty guys will have played on lotter teams. Big deal. Sometimes you make a cake and it turns out bad, doesn't mean you should throw out the flour bag in the pantry.

If you want to make a substantive argument why Tony Allen is a bad signing for three years, go ahead, I'll probably agree.

[mgent]

I hope Tony stays.  I would hate to lose our 6th man/defensive stopper again without a replacement.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Hey, that block on gasol was a good find...that created a big spark for us....! TA has value..especially with what is headed our way...Need to keep him and get more, not lose him and replace him..we have plenty to fix as it is..!

[wdleehi]

He is replaceable.  


If they replace him with a defender with a jump shot, it can improve the team by providing a better fit with the starters.  (hitting the open shots the other create instead of having to drive back into traffic from the three point line)

[CoachBo]

Since you asked, Brendan:

The affection of many posters on this board for the players who dragged this team to the bottom of the NBA is tiresome, totally unsupported by any objective analysis and a waste of space on this board. Can we get through a summer without a string of "The Push for (insert the name of challenged former Celtic here)?" Good grief. One of them could be headed for jail time, yet his name comes up two or three times a week as a good potential acquisition. It makes me pine for the days before the Real GM crowd invaded this board.

Tony Allen included. He, like all of the others, is a one-trick pony: defense, and it is a trick that is chronically overrated by posters on this board. Good defender. Not a great defender. The idea that he cannot be replaced is nonsense. Ainge will find someone to play some defense off the bench.

2006 is gone. Thank God Ainge found a couple of GMs willing to trade stars for nothing.

Can we move on?

[BballTim]

Really?

Powe's legs are gone. He's done in the league.

I'm not going to panic over losing a guy with no offensive skills whose mental comprehension of the game was spotty. Good defender - not as good as many of you insist - and very replaceable.

I disagree that he's so replaceable given that we only have the vet's minimum to offer to any free agents.

I'm also not that convinced that there's any real promising trades for Sheed's contract at the moment.

As of right now, this is a step back for us.

Ah, Tony Allen leaving isn't ever going to cause me to lose sleep - especially not for 10 large. NO way a guy who can't score the basketball is worth that.

I'm willing to see what Danny has up his sleeve, and Daniels is certainly one possibility given his injury issues last year.

  I think you're both somewhat right. We probably can't get an adequate replacement for the min, but Danny probably has something else in mind. Tony for $10M might not make sense, but spending $65M on your starters and not having a decent backup wing on your roster doesn't make any more sense.

[wdleehi]

Since you asked, Brendan:

The affection of many posters on this board for the players who dragged this team to the bottom of the NBA is tiresome, totally unsupported by any objective analysis and a waste of space on this board. Can we get through a summer without a string of "The Push for (insert the name of challenged former Celtic here)?" Good grief. One of them could be headed for jail time, yet his name comes up two or three times a week as a good potential acquisition. It makes me pine for the days before the Real GM crowd invaded this board.

Tony Allen included. He, like all of the others, is a one-trick pony: defense, and it is a trick that is chronically overrated by posters on this board. Good defender. Not a great defender. The idea that he cannot be replaced is nonsense. Ainge will find someone to play some defense off the bench.

So, only players from less then half the NBA rosters are worth something?


And, does that mean the Celtics better dump Rondo, Perk and Pierce.  They were on that team.  


There are players we have seen from that team that would fit nicely on the Celtics bench.  (well, two I can think of, but both are under contracts now)

[CoachBo]

Chuckle. Rather disingenuous of you, W.

I think you know the difference between the handful of players on that club who could actually play - as Ainge did since he kept them - and those whose games were compromised.

My apologies for interrupting the weeping and wailing over the passing of the latest of those compromised players.

Carry on.

[wdleehi]

Chuckle. Rather disingenuous of you, W.

I think you know the difference between the handful of players on that club who could actually play - as Ainge did since he kept them - and those whose games were compromised.

My apologies for interrupting the weeping and wailing over the passing of the latest of those compromised players.

Carry on.

I must have missed that starting SG on that team that took Boston to 7 games on the way to Boston's title in 08. 


There are three guys from the team that were traded that would most definitely help the Celtics.  Would the be starters or stars?  Of course not.  Solid role players.  Of course. 


I have no issue replacing TA.  He is a role player in the NBA.  They are often replaced. 

[kozlodoev]

I have no issue replacing TA.  He is a role player in the NBA.  They are often replaced. 

It's not about TA. It's about his salary slot.

Sure he's replaceable. But is he replaceable at the vet minimum?

[Brendan]

Those guys were roll players, roll players become available. When people say I would like to get (West, Jefferson, Gomes) - it's because they see their game fitting a need with the club and being attainable.

Right now I don't think Gomes fits a need. I don't think Jefferson is attainable, but would love him. I think there is a chance West could be had for the minimum if things break right, depending if we've resign Nate or not - he'd fill a need and I'd take him.

That team had some knuckle heads that didn't belong in the NBA (Telfair, Green) some injured guys (TA, Pierce, Ratliff, Wally) and some young guys still learning their way (West, Jefferson, Gomes, Rondo, Powe) and it also didn't have a lot of fit. Health, some experience/maturity, and a good fit and most of the roll players would be solid.

Example Powe: how can you say he's a bad player or guy? The stats showed that he was a beast, and the eyes saw it against the LAL in 2008. And his heart was on display up until he got injured. The only debate is when/if he'll be healthy again, and then if there is a roster fit.

I don't mourn for TA, but not because he blew out his knee dunking after the whistle, I just think we need a SF as our first wing or no title in 2010 and once we assume that will be found, TA isn't as important. (And if its not found, C's aren't winning anyways, and I'd rather not lock in a third year.

And for the record, I've never been on the RealGM board, and I've been posting for a long time, but I don't see how that makes me any more right or wrong.

[wdleehi]

I have no issue replacing TA.  He is a role player in the NBA.  They are often replaced. 

It's not about TA. It's about his salary slot.

Sure he's replaceable. But is he replaceable at the vet minimum?

I would be quite happy if a sign and trade can be worked out that helps the Celtics.


I imagine the best case (if there is not a player there that Ainge wants) is Boston send TA and cash to the Griz for a conditional 2nd (doesn't matter pick) and a Trade Exception.


Then Ainge can use it to shop for a player he does like from a team looking to trim.

[hpantazo]

The fact is that it DID make a difference. We lost game 7 because we got killed on the glass. LA had 15 extra possessions in a 4 point game that we controlled throughout until we ran out of gas at the end.

Well put. Tommy Point.

that response disregards the fact that Powe could barely run up and down the floor or defend anyone, and did absolutely nothing for the cavs in the the playoffs, but whatever.

[SCBirdman]

Can we sign and trade TA for Ronnie Brewer? Right now that would look like a coupe!

I like Brewer. He can defend Kobe and LeGone. He is bigger, has a higher basketabll IQ and he is younger. He is also a better offensive player than TA, but not a 3 point shooter.