Tony To sign with Grizz?

[nickagneta]

Thank God!!!

Good Riddance!!!

No more having to worry whether good Tony or Bad Tony showed up. No more Tony dribbling up on a fast break while ignoring his PGs and then turning the ball over. No more accosting three point shooters because of a horrible head fake that Tony bit on. No more horrendous outside shots.

No more Tony Allen!!! Yahoo!!!!

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Hmmmmmm.

Now I guess I will have to live with all the "Bring Back Tony Because He Was The Best Defensive Wing Since Basketball Was Invented!!" threads.

Yuk.

Maybe this wasn't such a great thing after all.

Why does it make you so happy to see Ray Allen get brutalized by Wade and Kobe (if we're lucky enough to see Kobe) in this years playoffs with no one currently on the roster to spell him?

Gee, were we watching the same gamess last year?

Ray brutalized by Kobe? I seem to remember Kobe going 8 for 20 for 19 points while getting blanketed by Ray in the first game of the regular season. I also seem to remember Ray playing unreal defense on Kobe in game 7 when Kobe was 6 for 24 for 23 points. Ray played excellent defense on Kobe for most of those Finals.

As for Wade, I didn't remember Tony Allen containing Dwyane Wade any better than Ray. Wade can pretty much do what he wants versus either Tony or Ray.

And I am not happy to see Celtic players brutalized by anyone but I think Tony's defensive work is seriously over rated on this board.

If he was so good against Kobe and Wade wouldn't a team like Denver or OKC or Utah or SA or Orlando or  Chicago(who has a coach that a knows Tony very well) or even Miami offer Tony better than $10 million over 3 years to join them?

He went to MEMPHIS for that money. Doesn't that tell you anything about what people were offering him or what people think is the value of his game?

Anything?

It speaks volumes to me and vindicates my feelings about his game. I saw some ridiculously absurd numbers being thrown around around here regarding Tony's monetary worth. Suffice to say, he got what I thought he was going to get all along.

[Change]

this is a guess, Maybe Tony was offered a starting job by Memphis. I've been hearing Mayo might be their starting PG. 30minutes a game in Memphis.

Another guess, Celtics are getting a more reliable wing off the bench. One who can defend & also make the 3 ball. As much as we love tony, he is a turnover waiting to happen. Only Shelden had worse hands, not a praise.

[lon3lytoaster]

It's official and it sucks... I hope the reasons for this non-signing are very good because right now it doesn't make sense. 3 years isn't a problem, 3 million per year isn't either... so why would you refuse to sign him for that good price? Plus he went to a team that probably won't make the playoffs while he probably got the same offers from contenders.

Mind-boggling... I just hope Danny works out something that brings us one good to great backup guard and one good to great wing scorer...

I don't get it at all. He made like what, 2.5 million this year? That only a half a million for a raise, which is nothing in the NBA. Three years isn't too long for Tont, he's 28.. Even if he finished this new contract at around 4.3 million in the third year, that's still a fair margin lower than the MLE.

It's a great  deal in this market. I can't see why we couldn't offer the same thing.

[CoachBo]

Thank God!!!

Good Riddance!!!

No more having to worry whether good Tony or Bad Tony showed up. No more Tony dribbling up on a fast break while ignoring his PGs and then turning the ball over. No more accosting three point shooters because of a horrible head fake that Tony bit on. No more horrendous outside shots.

No more Tony Allen!!! Yahoo!!!!

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...
...
Hmmmmmm.

Now I guess I will have to live with all the "Bring Back Tony Because He Was The Best Defensive Wing Since Basketball Was Invented!!" threads.

Yuk.

Maybe this wasn't such a great thing after all.

Why does it make you so happy to see Ray Allen get brutalized by Wade and Kobe (if we're lucky enough to see Kobe) in this years playoffs with no one currently on the roster to spell him?

Gee, were we watching the same gamess last year?

Ray brutalized by Kobe? I seem to remember Kobe going 8 for 20 for 19 points while getting blanketed by Ray in the first game of the regular season. I also seem to remember Ray playing unreal defense on Kobe in game 7 when Kobe was 6 for 24 for 23 points. Ray played excellent defense on Kobe for most of those Finals.

As for Wade, I didn't remember Tony Allen containing Dwyane Wade any better than Ray. Wade can pretty much do what he wants versus either Tony or Ray.

And I am not happy to see Celtic players brutalized by anyone but I think Tony's defensive work is seriously over rated on this board.

If he was so good against Kobe and Wade wouldn't a team like Denver or OKC or Utah or SA or Orlando or  Chicago(who has a coach that a knows Tony very well) or even Miami offer Tony better than $10 million over 3 years to join them?

He went to MEMPHIS for that money. Doesn't that tell you anything about what people were offering him or what people think is the value of his game?

Anything?

It speaks volumes to me and vindicates my feelings about his game. I saw some ridiculously absurd numbers being thrown around around here regarding Tony's monetary worth. Suffice to say, he got what I thought he was going to get all along.

Tommy Point. Wish I could give you 100.

Good, not great, defender. Horrific with the basketball in his hands. And very replaceable.

But, of course, he's part of the 24-Win Alumni Association that we seem to pine so romantically for on this board ...

Great post, Nick. I think we'll keep the franchise, despite this death blow to it.

[snively]

this is a guess, Maybe Tony was offered a starting job by Memphis. I've been hearing Mayo might be their starting PG. 30minutes a game in Memphis.

Another guess, Celtics are getting a more reliable wing off the bench. One who can defend & also make the 3 ball. As much as we love tony, he is a turnover waiting to happen.

I'd like to believe the latter, but I don't see how.  There are very few wings of rotation quality left in free agency.

And the more feasible options with Sheed's contract don't sound very appealing.

[guava_wrench]

Thank God!!!

Good Riddance!!!

No more having to worry whether good Tony or Bad Tony showed up. No more Tony dribbling up on a fast break while ignoring his PGs and then turning the ball over. No more accosting three point shooters because of a horrible head fake that Tony bit on. No more horrendous outside shots.

No more Tony Allen!!! Yahoo!!!!

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...
...
Hmmmmmm.

Now I guess I will have to live with all the "Bring Back Tony Because He Was The Best Defensive Wing Since Basketball Was Invented!!" threads.

Yuk.

Maybe this wasn't such a great thing after all.

Why does it make you so happy to see Ray Allen get brutalized by Wade and Kobe (if we're lucky enough to see Kobe) in this years playoffs with no one currently on the roster to spell him?

Gee, were we watching the same gamess last year?

Ray brutalized by Kobe? I seem to remember Kobe going 8 for 20 for 19 points while getting blanketed by Ray in the first game of the regular season. I also seem to remember Ray playing unreal defense on Kobe in game 7 when Kobe was 6 for 24 for 23 points. Ray played excellent defense on Kobe for most of those Finals.

As for Wade, I didn't remember Tony Allen containing Dwyane Wade any better than Ray. Wade can pretty much do what he wants versus either Tony or Ray.

And I am not happy to see Celtic players brutalized by anyone but I think Tony's defensive work is seriously over rated on this board.

If he was so good against Kobe and Wade wouldn't a team like Denver or OKC or Utah or SA or Orlando or  Chicago(who has a coach that a knows Tony very well) or even Miami offer Tony better than $10 million over 3 years to join them?

He went to MEMPHIS for that money. Doesn't that tell you anything about what people were offering him or what people think is the value of his game?

Anything?

It speaks volumes to me and vindicates my feelings about his game. I saw some ridiculously absurd numbers being thrown around around here regarding Tony's monetary worth. Suffice to say, he got what I thought he was going to get all along.

Tommy Point. Wish I could give you 100.

Good, not great, defender. Horrific with the basketball in his hands. And very replaceable.

But, of course, he's part of the 24-Win Alumni Association that we seem to pine so romantically for on this board ...

Great post, Nick. I think we'll keep the franchise, despite this death blow to it.

Replaceable if we had the MLE. Tougher when we may be limited to min contracts.

What I find interesting is that this contract will take him up to 31 yrs old. At that age, I wonder if extra minutes in Memphis mean that much in terms of another contract.

[guava_wrench]

It's official and it sucks... I hope the reasons for this non-signing are very good because right now it doesn't make sense. 3 years isn't a problem, 3 million per year isn't either... so why would you refuse to sign him for that good price? Plus he went to a team that probably won't make the playoffs while he probably got the same offers from contenders.

Mind-boggling... I just hope Danny works out something that brings us one good to great backup guard and one good to great wing scorer...

I don't get it at all. He made like what, 2.5 million this year? That only a half a million for a raise, which is nothing in the NBA. Three years isn't too long for Tont, he's 28.. Even if he finished this new contract at around 4.3 million in the third year, that's still a fair margin lower than the MLE.

It's a great  deal in this market. I can't see why we couldn't offer the same thing.

What did we offer?

[snively]

Thank God!!!

Good Riddance!!!

No more having to worry whether good Tony or Bad Tony showed up. No more Tony dribbling up on a fast break while ignoring his PGs and then turning the ball over. No more accosting three point shooters because of a horrible head fake that Tony bit on. No more horrendous outside shots.

No more Tony Allen!!! Yahoo!!!!

...
...
...
...
Hmmmmmm.

Now I guess I will have to live with all the "Bring Back Tony Because He Was The Best Defensive Wing Since Basketball Was Invented!!" threads.

Yuk.

Maybe this wasn't such a great thing after all.

Why does it make you so happy to see Ray Allen get brutalized by Wade and Kobe (if we're lucky enough to see Kobe) in this years playoffs with no one currently on the roster to spell him?

Gee, were we watching the same gamess last year?

Ray brutalized by Kobe? I seem to remember Kobe going 8 for 20 for 19 points while getting blanketed by Ray in the first game of the regular season. I also seem to remember Ray playing unreal defense on Kobe in game 7 when Kobe was 6 for 24 for 23 points. Ray played excellent defense on Kobe for most of those Finals.

As for Wade, I didn't remember Tony Allen containing Dwyane Wade any better than Ray. Wade can pretty much do what he wants versus either Tony or Ray.

And I am not happy to see Celtic players brutalized by anyone but I think Tony's defensive work is seriously over rated on this board.

If he was so good against Kobe and Wade wouldn't a team like Denver or OKC or Utah or SA or Orlando or  Chicago(who has a coach that a knows Tony very well) or even Miami offer Tony better than $10 million over 3 years to join them?

He went to MEMPHIS for that money. Doesn't that tell you anything about what people were offering him or what people think is the value of his game?

Anything?

It speaks volumes to me and vindicates my feelings about his game. I saw some ridiculously absurd numbers being thrown around around here regarding Tony's monetary worth. Suffice to say, he got what I thought he was going to get all along.

Tommy Point. Wish I could give you 100.

Good, not great, defender. Horrific with the basketball in his hands. And very replaceable.

But, of course, he's part of the 24-Win Alumni Association that we seem to pine so romantically for on this board ...

Great post, Nick. I think we'll keep the franchise, despite this death blow to it.

Your moderate reaction to the loss of a 8/9th man is appropriate, but I think you both are underrating TA's defense in the playoffs. 

Kobe's stats vs. TA relative to other Celtic defenders were abysmal. Ray did a solid job on Kobe, but TA was much, much better.  LeBron had more problems getting to the rim against TA than anyone else he faced in the post-season.

D-Wade completely owned Ray Allen off the dribble for the entire series.  TA did a much better job (though Wade had no problems sinking 3s over him).

TA wasn't the be all and end all, but he certainly played well, and we don't have a lot of resources to replace his role.

[KungPoweChicken]

Thank God!!!

Good Riddance!!!

No more having to worry whether good Tony or Bad Tony showed up. No more Tony dribbling up on a fast break while ignoring his PGs and then turning the ball over. No more accosting three point shooters because of a horrible head fake that Tony bit on. No more horrendous outside shots.

No more Tony Allen!!! Yahoo!!!!

...
...
...
...
Hmmmmmm.

Now I guess I will have to live with all the "Bring Back Tony Because He Was The Best Defensive Wing Since Basketball Was Invented!!" threads.

Yuk.

Maybe this wasn't such a great thing after all.

Why does it make you so happy to see Ray Allen get brutalized by Wade and Kobe (if we're lucky enough to see Kobe) in this years playoffs with no one currently on the roster to spell him?

Gee, were we watching the same gamess last year?

Ray brutalized by Kobe? I seem to remember Kobe going 8 for 20 for 19 points while getting blanketed by Ray in the first game of the regular season. I also seem to remember Ray playing unreal defense on Kobe in game 7 when Kobe was 6 for 24 for 23 points. Ray played excellent defense on Kobe for most of those Finals.

As for Wade, I didn't remember Tony Allen containing Dwyane Wade any better than Ray. Wade can pretty much do what he wants versus either Tony or Ray.

And I am not happy to see Celtic players brutalized by anyone but I think Tony's defensive work is seriously over rated on this board.

If he was so good against Kobe and Wade wouldn't a team like Denver or OKC or Utah or SA or Orlando or  Chicago(who has a coach that a knows Tony very well) or even Miami offer Tony better than $10 million over 3 years to join them?

He went to MEMPHIS for that money. Doesn't that tell you anything about what people were offering him or what people think is the value of his game?

Anything?

It speaks volumes to me and vindicates my feelings about his game. I saw some ridiculously absurd numbers being thrown around around here regarding Tony's monetary worth. Suffice to say, he got what I thought he was going to get all along.

Tommy Point. Wish I could give you 100.

Good, not great, defender. Horrific with the basketball in his hands. And very replaceable.

But, of course, he's part of the 24-Win Alumni Association that we seem to pine so romantically for on this board ...

Great post, Nick. I think we'll keep the franchise, despite this death blow to it.

Your moderate reaction to the loss of a 8/9th man is appropriate, but I think you both are underrating TA's defense in the playoffs.  

Kobe's stats vs. TA relative to other Celtic defenders were abysmal. Ray did a solid job on Kobe, but TA was much, much better.  LeBron had more problems getting to the rim against TA than anyone else he faced in the post-season.

D-Wade completely owned Ray Allen off the dribble for the entire series.  TA did a much better job (though Wade had no problems sinking 3s over him).

TA wasn't the be all and end all, but he certainly played well, and we don't have a lot of resources to replace his role.

Yup, in the finals, the Kobe was shooting almost 50% when guarded by Ray Allen and was shooting much, much worse when guarded by TA (something like in the 20-30% range). During the finals interviews, someone asked Kobe why he was shooting so poorly against TA, Kobe said, "He's just a great defender."

[BballTim]

But, of course, he's part of the 24-Win Alumni Association that we seem to pine so romantically for on this board ...

  Yes, let's get rid of Perk, Rondo and Pierce who were part of that 24 win team. Maybe we should also dump KG and RA, who were on teams that won less than 30 games when they were younger. Oh, and someone should inform Miami that Wade and Bosh were also on some pretty bad teams when they were younger.

[KungPoweChicken]

Thank God!!!

Good Riddance!!!

No more having to worry whether good Tony or Bad Tony showed up. No more Tony dribbling up on a fast break while ignoring his PGs and then turning the ball over. No more accosting three point shooters because of a horrible head fake that Tony bit on. No more horrendous outside shots.

No more Tony Allen!!! Yahoo!!!!

...
...
...
...
Hmmmmmm.

Now I guess I will have to live with all the "Bring Back Tony Because He Was The Best Defensive Wing Since Basketball Was Invented!!" threads.

Yuk.

Maybe this wasn't such a great thing after all.

Why does it make you so happy to see Ray Allen get brutalized by Wade and Kobe (if we're lucky enough to see Kobe) in this years playoffs with no one currently on the roster to spell him?

Gee, were we watching the same gamess last year?

Ray brutalized by Kobe? I seem to remember Kobe going 8 for 20 for 19 points while getting blanketed by Ray in the first game of the regular season. I also seem to remember Ray playing unreal defense on Kobe in game 7 when Kobe was 6 for 24 for 23 points. Ray played excellent defense on Kobe for most of those Finals.

As for Wade, I didn't remember Tony Allen containing Dwyane Wade any better than Ray. Wade can pretty much do what he wants versus either Tony or Ray.

And I am not happy to see Celtic players brutalized by anyone but I think Tony's defensive work is seriously over rated on this board.

If he was so good against Kobe and Wade wouldn't a team like Denver or OKC or Utah or SA or Orlando or  Chicago(who has a coach that a knows Tony very well) or even Miami offer Tony better than $10 million over 3 years to join them?

He went to MEMPHIS for that money. Doesn't that tell you anything about what people were offering him or what people think is the value of his game?

Anything?

It speaks volumes to me and vindicates my feelings about his game. I saw some ridiculously absurd numbers being thrown around around here regarding Tony's monetary worth. Suffice to say, he got what I thought he was going to get all along.

Nickagenta, this will be of interest of you:



"ccording to ESPN Stats & Information, Bryant is now just 5-for-19 (26.6 percent) in the Finals with Tony Allen as the Celtics' primary defender on him. Even when he doesn't cause Bryant to miss a shot, he deters him from even taking one. In the 73 possessions that Allen has guarded him this series, Kobe has touched the ball 79.5 percent of the time. In the 234 possessions when it's been somebody other than Allen checking Kobe, Bryant has touched the ball 88 percent of the time.

All 19 shot attempts by Bryant against Allen have been with a hand in his face too, while he's been able to get off eight uncontested looks against the rest of the Celtics' crew."

[misha]

It's official and it sucks... I hope the reasons for this non-signing are very good because right now it doesn't make sense. 3 years isn't a problem, 3 million per year isn't either... so why would you refuse to sign him for that good price? Plus he went to a team that probably won't make the playoffs while he probably got the same offers from contenders.

Mind-boggling... I just hope Danny works out something that brings us one good to great backup guard and one good to great wing scorer...

+1. I don't get it too. 3 mil is a very reasonable for a player like him.

And Nick, it's a matter of alternative. Do we have better player to fill his role? Right now the C's only decent sub in guard posistions is Bradley. The quation is whether we can bring a quality wing with Sheed's contract as the only bargaining chip. And even if we can, Tony still would have been very useful.

[Change]

this officially sucks. Aren't Memphis over the cap? What the heck are Celtics thinking? They don't want to pay $3million for a shutdown defender. Rondo has no one to run with now.

[RIPRED]

This will be a tough loss. I was hoping he would come back to play D against LBJ/Wade and Kobe....

[FallGuy]

Upside - this can only help our turnover rate and offensive game.