Talking to David Lee's Agent

[Kane3387]

Lee is a UFA so he isn't really on their cap. They don't have to trade him, just renounce him.

Only way we get Lee is if we S+T Ray for him or Take back Eddy Currey in a deal for him.

Like Curry and Lee for KG. No way would I do that.

[RJ87]

if we had a handshake mle deal with morrow( young, bright sg with upside above his already impressive #'s) would you s&t ray for lee?
we could then use rasheeds contract to bring in a swing forward like m. williams or outlaw...

NY gets a complimentary player that could help lure a big FA. we get a young athletic rebounding machine. 

Morrow is restricted, so even if we had a handshake agreement with him, GS can match and completely mess it up.

[hpantazo]

Lee is a UFA so he isn't really on their cap. They don't have to trade him, just renounce him.

Only way we get Lee is if we S+T Ray for him or Take back Eddy Currey in a deal for him.

Like Curry and Lee for KG. No way would I do that.

can we take back Curry without giving up Ray or someone valuable?

[lon3lytoaster]

Lee is a UFA so he isn't really on their cap. They don't have to trade him, just renounce him.

Only way we get Lee is if we S+T Ray for him or Take back Eddy Currey in a deal for him.

Like Curry and Lee for KG. No way would I do that.

Sign and trades don't usually go that well for the team doing the signing. It's either they're willing to sign and trade him and get a pick, an expiring and Davis or we both get nothing.

Now I'm just kind of doubting they'll be willing to do that deal since we're in the same division.

[JSD]

Best case scenario for us:

We trade Rasheed, Gaffney, and LaFayette, cash, and a #1 to New York.  We sign David Lee to a deal beginning at $9.9 million per season.  New York cuts Gaffney and LaFayette, and Rasheed retires, leaving New York's cap space intact.

Of course, I don't see a ton of incentive for New York there, since they're giving up an asset for not much of anything, but that's how we could structure it.

So a BBD doesn't work in this scenerio?

You could include other guys, as well, if New York was willing to surrender some of its cap space.  The problem is that right now they can sign two "max" free agents, and taking on any additional salary eliminates that option.

If New York gives up on signing two max guys (and I think they will have to), they may have interest in Perk or BBD.

Isn't there a scenario where we could take on Curry (in addition to Lee) and replace his cap space with our bench players via S&T?

Sheed, Baby, Perk, S. Williams ($1.5), Marquis ($2.5) and a 2011 1st round pick

For

David Lee and Eddy Curry?


That might entice the Knicks?

[Evantime34]

Best case scenario for us:

We trade Rasheed, Gaffney, and LaFayette, cash, and a #1 to New York.  We sign David Lee to a deal beginning at $9.9 million per season.  New York cuts Gaffney and LaFayette, and Rasheed retires, leaving New York's cap space intact.

Of course, I don't see a ton of incentive for New York there, since they're giving up an asset for not much of anything, but that's how we could structure it.

So a BBD doesn't work in this scenerio?

You could include other guys, as well, if New York was willing to surrender some of its cap space.  The problem is that right now they can sign two "max" free agents, and taking on any additional salary eliminates that option.

If New York gives up on signing two max guys (and I think they will have to), they may have interest in Perk or BBD.

Isn't there a scenario where we could take on Curry (in addition to Lee) and replace his cap space with our bench players via S&T?

Sheed, Baby, Perk, S. Williams ($1.5), Marquis ($2.5) and a 2011 1st round pick

For

David Lee and Eddy Curry?


That might entice the Knicks?

It might entice the Knicks but I have no idea why we would do that deal.

[JSD]

Best case scenario for us:

We trade Rasheed, Gaffney, and LaFayette, cash, and a #1 to New York.  We sign David Lee to a deal beginning at $9.9 million per season.  New York cuts Gaffney and LaFayette, and Rasheed retires, leaving New York's cap space intact.

Of course, I don't see a ton of incentive for New York there, since they're giving up an asset for not much of anything, but that's how we could structure it.

So a BBD doesn't work in this scenerio?

You could include other guys, as well, if New York was willing to surrender some of its cap space.  The problem is that right now they can sign two "max" free agents, and taking on any additional salary eliminates that option.

If New York gives up on signing two max guys (and I think they will have to), they may have interest in Perk or BBD.

Isn't there a scenario where we could take on Curry (in addition to Lee) and replace his cap space with our bench players via S&T?

Sheed, Baby, Perk, S. Williams ($1.5), Marquis ($2.5) and a 2011 1st round pick

For

David Lee and Eddy Curry?


That might entice the Knicks?

It might entice the Knicks but I have no idea why we would do that deal.

You wouldn't do that to bring in an a 27 year old All-Star PF/C?

Meat and potato's would be:

BBD and Perk

For

David Lee.

[StartOrien]

I'd do that Eddy Curry trade in a heartbeat

[Evantime34]

Best case scenario for us:

We trade Rasheed, Gaffney, and LaFayette, cash, and a #1 to New York.  We sign David Lee to a deal beginning at $9.9 million per season.  New York cuts Gaffney and LaFayette, and Rasheed retires, leaving New York's cap space intact.

Of course, I don't see a ton of incentive for New York there, since they're giving up an asset for not much of anything, but that's how we could structure it.

So a BBD doesn't work in this scenerio?

You could include other guys, as well, if New York was willing to surrender some of its cap space.  The problem is that right now they can sign two "max" free agents, and taking on any additional salary eliminates that option.

If New York gives up on signing two max guys (and I think they will have to), they may have interest in Perk or BBD.

Isn't there a scenario where we could take on Curry (in addition to Lee) and replace his cap space with our bench players via S&T?

Sheed, Baby, Perk, S. Williams ($1.5), Marquis ($2.5) and a 2011 1st round pick

For

David Lee and Eddy Curry?


That might entice the Knicks?

It might entice the Knicks but I have no idea why we would do that deal.

You wouldn't do that to bring in an a 27 year old All-Star PF/C?

Meat and potato's would be:

BBD and Perk

For

David Lee.

Perk and BBD are both younger than Lee. Lee has never played on a defensively focused team and his game might not lend itself to one.
More importantly this would hurt our depth at the 4 and 5 position which is the current problem with our team. Plus I just hate Eddy Curry.

[guava_wrench]

Best case scenario for us:

We trade Rasheed, Gaffney, and LaFayette, cash, and a #1 to New York.  We sign David Lee to a deal beginning at $9.9 million per season.  New York cuts Gaffney and LaFayette, and Rasheed retires, leaving New York's cap space intact.

Of course, I don't see a ton of incentive for New York there, since they're giving up an asset for not much of anything, but that's how we could structure it.

Throw in Glen Davis then and send the Knicks a list of links to where people here think he's a future all-star.  In all seriousness though, at least Davis would be a cheap option for them and is better than getting just a pick in return.

This won't happen for timing reasons. The only reason they would get involved in an S&T with Lee early on is to get a true max contract to a true max player. If they can get those players without a S&T, they would renounce him for the space. If neither happens, they probably resign Lee. Baby would and the scrubs would just waste their cap space while they are still trying to focus on the big guys.

[JSD]

Best case scenario for us:

We trade Rasheed, Gaffney, and LaFayette, cash, and a #1 to New York.  We sign David Lee to a deal beginning at $9.9 million per season.  New York cuts Gaffney and LaFayette, and Rasheed retires, leaving New York's cap space intact.

Of course, I don't see a ton of incentive for New York there, since they're giving up an asset for not much of anything, but that's how we could structure it.

So a BBD doesn't work in this scenerio?

You could include other guys, as well, if New York was willing to surrender some of its cap space.  The problem is that right now they can sign two "max" free agents, and taking on any additional salary eliminates that option.

If New York gives up on signing two max guys (and I think they will have to), they may have interest in Perk or BBD.

Isn't there a scenario where we could take on Curry (in addition to Lee) and replace his cap space with our bench players via S&T?

Sheed, Baby, Perk, S. Williams ($1.5), Marquis ($2.5) and a 2011 1st round pick

For

David Lee and Eddy Curry?


That might entice the Knicks?

It might entice the Knicks but I have no idea why we would do that deal.

You wouldn't do that to bring in an a 27 year old All-Star PF/C?

Meat and potato's would be:

BBD and Perk

For

David Lee.

Perk and BBD are both younger than Lee. Lee has never played on a defensively focused team and his game might not lend itself to one.
More importantly this would hurt our depth at the 4 and 5 position which is the current problem with our team. Plus I just hate Eddy Curry.

He played under Larry Brown, so he has some idea of how a real NBA team operates. He's a smart, tough basketball player who I'm sure would have no trouble adapting. Perk is walking around in crutches while Lee just got  off a season AVG. 20 and 12 and hits the Defensive glass hard (9 a game).

Who likes Eddy Curry? It's about getting David Lee...

[LarBrd33]

Best case scenario for us:

We trade Rasheed, Gaffney, and LaFayette, cash, and a #1 to New York.  We sign David Lee to a deal beginning at $9.9 million per season.  New York cuts Gaffney and LaFayette, and Rasheed retires, leaving New York's cap space intact.

Of course, I don't see a ton of incentive for New York there, since they're giving up an asset for not much of anything, but that's how we could structure it.

So a BBD doesn't work in this scenerio?

You could include other guys, as well, if New York was willing to surrender some of its cap space.  The problem is that right now they can sign two "max" free agents, and taking on any additional salary eliminates that option.

If New York gives up on signing two max guys (and I think they will have to), they may have interest in Perk or BBD.

Isn't there a scenario where we could take on Curry (in addition to Lee) and replace his cap space with our bench players via S&T?

Sheed, Baby, Perk, S. Williams ($1.5), Marquis ($2.5) and a 2011 1st round pick

For

David Lee and Eddy Curry?


That might entice the Knicks?

Yeah...  

Roy's idea about using Sheed and the min contracts never crossed my mind.  If the Knicks are planning on letting Lee walk... it makes sense for them to at least get back a pick or two... and that trade wouldn't hurt their cap situation.

The only issue with this one (for Curry and Lee) is that the Knicks end up taking back Perk and Baby... and they probably don't have any interest in having those two guys (something like 8 mil total) cracking into their cap.

However... if they only intend to sign 2 max contract guys (and not move Curry for a third), it makes sense to bring in Perk and Baby...

but...

One of their main selling points is that when Curry expires (or they trade him mid season) they will bring in another major player.

[Evantime34]

I just don't think trading anyone who was a part of our core team when we are trying to make one last run is a good idea. Also Lee's numbers were inflated due to the system he played in and the lack of other rebounders on his team. Those numbers would not come close to translating for the Celtics.

I'd love to have him if we can find out a way to do it without giving up Perk.

[LarBrd33]

I just don't think trading anyone who was a part of our core team when we are trying to make one last run is a good idea. Also Lee's numbers were inflated due to the system he played in and the lack of other rebounders on his team. Those numbers would not come close to translating for the Celtics.

I'd love to have him if we can find out a way to do it without giving up Perk.

Plus... if Lee played here, I'd have to suffer through half of you comparing him to Dave Cowens.   The heck with the bum.  :-P

[Fafnir]

Best case scenario for us:

We trade Rasheed, Gaffney, and LaFayette, cash, and a #1 to New York.  We sign David Lee to a deal beginning at $9.9 million per season.  New York cuts Gaffney and LaFayette, and Rasheed retires, leaving New York's cap space intact.

Of course, I don't see a ton of incentive for New York there, since they're giving up an asset for not much of anything, but that's how we could structure it.

If they're left with a choice of renouncing David Lee so they can get two other FAs I think they could do this sort of deal.

It will depend on what other offers Lee can get and what the Knicks can get out of free agency. Still it'd be a very nice scenario for the Celtics.