How much money does Ray deserve?

[MVP]

I agree. As long as it is not more then 2 years then the amount doesn't really matter that much. We wont have major cap space while KG is on the books anyway. We can make another run this year and next year Ray can be an expiring contract that we could trade.

[kenmaine]

I don't wanna see Ray getting more that 4 mil/year. He is NOT worth it, hes old, unreliable shooter period. After game 3 his stock has hit the bottom in my book. Get him cheap or let him go to the Bulls all I care for.
Best case scenario is a sign and trade. If Paul is ready to rearrange his deal, Ray should make a pay cut as well. Most likely Danny will get him a 7-8 mill contract 2 years.

Agree 100%
It's amazing to me that Ray can do no wrong to most c-bloggers. He had one great game in the finals and then pretty much disappeared and/or sucked for the rest. And I'm sick of hearing how great his defense was(and it was), but if the two guard is out there for his defense, then TA should be starting ahead of Ray.
And his conditioning is great, but you can't beat Father Time no matter how hard you try.
So IMO, the C's should sign him for a reasonable two year deal and give this group one or two more shots at a title. There's no reason to break up a team that goes to game 7 of the finals. Just saying don't overpay and commit to an aging and inconsistent player for more than two years.

[hubert.the.potato]

If the Bulls land Lebron and Bosh, he'd be the best FA pickup for them.It'll be amazing if we manage to S&T him and Sheed's contract for Deng

[KungPoweChicken]

He is not even in the top 15 free agents.

I am going to dispute this.  I don't think you can name 15 free agents better than Ray Allen.  He's probably the best perimeter shooter available.  Among shooting guards, he's behind Dwayne Wade (if he opts out) and Joe Johnson, but ahead of players like John Salmons, JJ Redick, and Ronnie Brewer.

Well, I didn't plan on only classifying shooting guards. If you take all the free agents this year, including every position, I think one can make the argument that Ray Allen is bubbling on the 15th best ranked player.


I look at it this way:


Top tier free agents: LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh.

Second tier free agents: Dirk Nowitzki, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, Rudy Gay, Paul Pierce, and David Lee.

Third tier free agents: Ray Allen, John Salmons, Luis Scola, Yao Ming (because of his injury, otherwise he's probably be a second tier guy), Josh Childress, Tyrus Thomas, Al Harrington, and Raymond Felton.



Clearly, Ray Allen is not close to being as good as top or second tier free agent. He's definitely a third tier guy, and his free agency value will largely depend on how much guys like John Salmons, Josh Childress, and Raymond Felton get. One could argue that Salmons and Childress are better players than Ray Allen right now.

[hubert.the.potato]

He is not even in the top 15 free agents.

I am going to dispute this.  I don't think you can name 15 free agents better than Ray Allen.  He's probably the best perimeter shooter available.  Among shooting guards, he's behind Dwayne Wade (if he opts out) and Joe Johnson, but ahead of players like John Salmons, JJ Redick, and Ronnie Brewer.

Well, I didn't plan on only classifying shooting guards. If you take all the free agents this year, including every position, I think one can make the argument that Ray Allen is bubbling on the 15th best ranked player.


I look at it this way:


Top tier free agents: LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh.

Second tier free agents: Dirk Nowitzki, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, Rudy Gay, Paul Pierce, and David Lee.

Third tier free agents: Ray Allen, John Salmons, Luis Scola, Yao Ming (because of his injury, otherwise he's probably be a second tier guy), Josh Childress, Tyrus Thomas, Al Harrington, and Raymond Felton.



Clearly, Ray Allen is not close to being as good as top or second tier free agent. He's definitely a third tier guy, and his free agency value will largely depend on how much guys like John Salmons, Josh Childress, and Raymond Felton get. One could argue that Salmons and Childress are better players than Ray Allen right now.

Childress played in Greece last year :|
And Ray can be a huge pickup for a team looking for 3pt shooting

[KungPoweChicken]

He is not even in the top 15 free agents.

I am going to dispute this.  I don't think you can name 15 free agents better than Ray Allen.  He's probably the best perimeter shooter available.  Among shooting guards, he's behind Dwayne Wade (if he opts out) and Joe Johnson, but ahead of players like John Salmons, JJ Redick, and Ronnie Brewer.

Well, I didn't plan on only classifying shooting guards. If you take all the free agents this year, including every position, I think one can make the argument that Ray Allen is bubbling on the 15th best ranked player.


I look at it this way:


Top tier free agents: LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh.

Second tier free agents: Dirk Nowitzki, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, Rudy Gay, Paul Pierce, and David Lee.

Third tier free agents: Ray Allen, John Salmons, Luis Scola, Yao Ming (because of his injury, otherwise he's probably be a second tier guy), Josh Childress, Tyrus Thomas, Al Harrington, and Raymond Felton.



Clearly, Ray Allen is not close to being as good as top or second tier free agent. He's definitely a third tier guy, and his free agency value will largely depend on how much guys like John Salmons, Josh Childress, and Raymond Felton get. One could argue that Salmons and Childress are better players than Ray Allen right now.

Childress played in Greece last year :|
And Ray can be a huge pickup for a team looking for 3pt shooting

In 09 10 Ray Allen shot .363 beyond the arc. Salmons shot .380. JJ Redick shot .405. And the last time Childress played in the NBA, he shot .367. While Ray Allen is a good 3pt shooter, it would be wrong to think he is the only one who can add 3pt shooting to a team. There are a lot of free agents who can do the job, if not better, and aren't so one dimensional and streaky. I didn't even mention Mike Miller, who scorched the nets from three in 09 10.

[LooseCannon]

Well, I didn't plan on only classifying shooting guards. If you take all the free agents this year, including every position, I think one can make the argument that Ray Allen is bubbling on the 15th best ranked player.


I look at it this way:


Top tier free agents: LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh.

Second tier free agents: Dirk Nowitzki, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, Rudy Gay, Paul Pierce, and David Lee.

Third tier free agents: Ray Allen, John Salmons, Luis Scola, Yao Ming (because of his injury, otherwise he's probably be a second tier guy), Josh Childress, Tyrus Thomas, Al Harrington, and Raymond Felton.



Clearly, Ray Allen is not close to being as good as top or second tier free agent. He's definitely a third tier guy, and his free agency value will largely depend on how much guys like John Salmons, Josh Childress, and Raymond Felton get. One could argue that Salmons and Childress are better players than Ray Allen right now.

So, at worst, if you think he is the worst third-tier free agent, you have him as the 18th best free agent.  And to get there, you have to include (by my count) eight players with player options or ETOs in their contract who won't necessarily be free agents plus four restricted free agents.  I would argue that Ray Allen is a superior to Salmons and Harrington (both of whom are 30, so not exactly young).  Next season, he'll probably still be a better player than Tyrus Thomas, whose value lies in his youth and potential.

All in all, I feel comfortable in saying that Ray Allen will be one of the top 15 players available on the first day of free agency.  He probably has more value to the Celtics than other teams just because it allows for more flexibility in using the MLE and Sheed's contract, so it is probably to Boston's benefit if Ainge is willing to overpay slightly.  Well, unless you are happy with using the combination of Avery Bradley, Tony Allen, and Nate Robinson to fill the SG role.

[Fred Roberts]

I've been thinking 2 years (match it with KG's timing) for $5M per year for a while now. Danny wanted to sync up Sheed on that timeframe too. Sheed took $5-6M per year after being paid big bucks previously. If Ray really wants to stay and be the man in green, he'll be open to the $5-6M per year range.

If not, then Danny lets him go and seeks out alternative options. 

[Bankshot]

I don't wanna see Ray getting more that 4 mil/year. He is NOT worth it, hes old, unreliable shooter period. After game 3 his stock has hit the bottom in my book. Get him cheap or let him go to the Bulls all I care for.
Best case scenario is a sign and trade. If Paul is ready to rearrange his deal, Ray should make a pay cut as well. Most likely Danny will get him a 7-8 mill contract 2 years.

Agree 100%
It's amazing to me that Ray can do no wrong to most c-bloggers. He had one great game in the finals and then pretty much disappeared and/or sucked for the rest. And I'm sick of hearing how great his defense was(and it was), but if the two guard is out there for his defense, then TA should be starting ahead of Ray.
And his conditioning is great, but you can't beat Father Time no matter how hard you try.
So IMO, the C's should sign him for a reasonable two year deal and give this group one or two more shots at a title. There's no reason to break up a team that goes to game 7 of the finals. Just saying don't overpay and commit to an aging and inconsistent player for more than two years.

I agree too!  But not to $4mil.  Maybe $6 mil.

[shookones99]

He is not even in the top 15 free agents.

I am going to dispute this.  I don't think you can name 15 free agents better than Ray Allen.  He's probably the best perimeter shooter available.  Among shooting guards, he's behind Dwayne Wade (if he opts out) and Joe Johnson, but ahead of players like John Salmons, JJ Redick, and Ronnie Brewer.

Well, I didn't plan on only classifying shooting guards. If you take all the free agents this year, including every position, I think one can make the argument that Ray Allen is bubbling on the 15th best ranked player.


I look at it this way:


Top tier free agents: LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh.

Second tier free agents: Dirk Nowitzki, Amare Stoudemire, Joe Johnson, Carlos Boozer, Rudy Gay, Paul Pierce, and David Lee.

Third tier free agents: Ray Allen, John Salmons, Luis Scola, Yao Ming (because of his injury, otherwise he's probably be a second tier guy), Josh Childress, Tyrus Thomas, Al Harrington, and Raymond Felton.



Clearly, Ray Allen is not close to being as good as top or second tier free agent. He's definitely a third tier guy, and his free agency value will largely depend on how much guys like John Salmons, Josh Childress, and Raymond Felton get. One could argue that Salmons and Childress are better players than Ray Allen right now.

Childress played in Greece last year :|
And Ray can be a huge pickup for a team looking for 3pt shooting

In 09 10 Ray Allen shot .363 beyond the arc. Salmons shot .380. JJ Redick shot .405. And the last time Childress played in the NBA, he shot .367. While Ray Allen is a good 3pt shooter, it would be wrong to think he is the only one who can add 3pt shooting to a team. There are a lot of free agents who can do the job, if not better, and aren't so one dimensional and streaky. I didn't even mention Mike Miller, who scorched the nets from three in 09 10.

I never understood this... Since when is Ray Allen one dimensional?

Just because he's way better at one part of his game then the rest does not make him one dimensional.  He is still a good defender (did a great job on Kobe, which I think is the reason for ray's poor shooting in the finals) a good scorer, and has a tremendous basketball IQ and ability to play within him self.

He just happens to be one of the all-time best shooters.  That doesn't mean that's all he can do.

[Marcus13]

I don't wanna see Ray getting more that 4 mil/year. He is NOT worth it, hes old, unreliable shooter period. After game 3 his stock has hit the bottom in my book. Get him cheap or let him go to the Bulls all I care for.
Best case scenario is a sign and trade. If Paul is ready to rearrange his deal, Ray should make a pay cut as well. Most likely Danny will get him a 7-8 mill contract 2 years.

4 Mil a year???  That's less than the MLE.  Trippin