Should we shop KG and #19 pick

[CDawg834]

trade KG and Paul likely will opt out - he's not into rebuilding

This should end this discussion unless KG nets you a top 3 player, not a top 3 pick.

Unfortunately, at this point KG isn't a top 20 player.

True he's not top 20.  But his intangibles are still #1 in the league, and that's what some contending team would be after....

If I'm a GM, I'm not paying 19 and 21 million next two seasons for intangibles.

I forgot to add...what GM is going to take on a $21 million contract in what could end up being a lockout year?  Someone here who knows the CBA better than I do could fill us in, but I assume teams are still on the hook to pay anyone under contract in a lockout year?

[Jon]

While I might argue that KG's defensive presence makes him a top 20 player still, regardless of the fact, I can't see any team that'd really want him.  If you're a bad team, he won't make you a contender by himself.  If you're a mediocre team, you'd have to give up everything that makes you good to get him.  And if you're a contender, you'd have to blow up the core to get him, and even then, the C's probably wouldn't want aging vets for him. 

Maybe in a year when he becomes an expiring contract, but I don't see him going anywhere this season.  And that's why I say we make another run at #18.  Our trade situation, especially if we re-sign Ray to a 2 year deal, is going to be much, much better next summer. 

[Chris]

We should absolutely shop it (and I am sure Danny has), I just doubt they would get much for it.  KG has a big contract, and is not the player he used to be.  For that package, you need to get a ton in return, and I don't think anyone wants to give up a ton for it.

[pearljammer10]

Who on earth is going to trade for a 34 year old coming off knee surgery going into his 15th (maybe 16th?) who has declined a bunch in numbers while making 21 million a year?? Dont think so.

[Fred Roberts]

Keep KG.
Let PP opt out. Sign Dirk. Bring back Ray on the cheap if we can.

Find some youth and hustle guys.

[Who]

trade KG and Paul likely will opt out - he's not into rebuilding

That sounds like a win-win to me

[Greenbean]

trade KG and Paul likely will opt out - he's not into rebuilding

This should end this discussion unless KG nets you a top 3 player, not a top 3 pick.

Unfortunately, at this point KG isn't a top 20 player.

I know that. The point is if you trade KG for a prospect, then you p--- Pierce off and risk losing him as well.

Not worth it.

[Fafnir]

trade KG and Paul likely will opt out - he's not into rebuilding

That sounds like a win-win to me

I'm about to say, if we could get an attractive package for KG I'd support rebuilding right now.

[paintitgreen]

Keep KG.
Let PP opt out. Sign Dirk. Bring back Ray on the cheap if we can.

Find some youth and hustle guys.

If Pierce opts out AND Rasheed retires, the Celtics have $35 million committed to four players (KG, Rondo, Perk, Davis). That doesn't mean the rest is their available cap space. They also have a $1.2 mil cap hold for their first round pick, plus 8 cap holds at the rookie minimum (about $450K) to round out your required 13 man roster. That's about $40 million. Take one rookie free agent cap hold out to sign a player, and you have cap-minus-$39.5 million available to offer. You also have to renounce your Bird rights to every single free agent you have, including Ray, to sign a player for that amount of money. And you don't get a mid level exception anymore, because you had cap room.

So why exactly does Dirk sign with a team that has a point guard, no perimeter players, two power forwards and a center, and NO ability to sign anybody else for anything except the minimum? And how exactly does it help the Celtics to give a big contract to a 32-year old power forward when you're already paying a 34-year old power forward $40 million over the next 2 years? Knowing that you have nothing but minimum contracts available to get two or three perimeter players, a backup point guard, and a center or two?

The only way to completely retool is to trade Garnett. And I just don't see that happening with $40 million owed to him for the next two years.

[LarBrd33]

trade KG and Paul likely will opt out - he's not into rebuilding

This should end this discussion unless KG nets you a top 3 player, not a top 3 pick.

Unfortunately, at this point KG isn't a top 20 player.

True he's not top 20.  But his intangibles are still #1 in the league, and that's what some contending team would be after....

If I'm a GM, I'm not paying 19 and 21 million next two seasons for intangibles.

I forgot to add...what GM is going to take on a $21 million contract in what could end up being a lockout year?  Someone here who knows the CBA better than I do could fill us in, but I assume teams are still on the hook to pay anyone under contract in a lockout year?

If it's a lockout year then nobody is paying that 2nd year anyways...

But I still don't see us trading KG to a team like Dallas unless we were looking for a total salary dump.  WE'd get nothing back... maybe a future protected 1st rounder.   For what?... the right to lose the big 3 and rebuild with no assets?  lol.   We aren't going to sign any of the name free agents... even if we have cap room.

[Birdbrain]

I don't think it will happen because of DA's intelligence and the fact that the C's were arguably the best team in this years finals.

So IMO no chance.  The rebuilding will happen in 2 years likes been the plan since the outset. 

I love the fans that are dieing to get back to those under .500 years.  Oh how I miss them..  The same crowd will be lambasting DA in a year from now ' forgetting ' they were all for it. 

[action781]

trade KG and Paul likely will opt out - he's not into rebuilding

depends on what we get though.  What if it is Chris Paul?

Boston trades Garnett, Rondo, Sheed
Boston receives Chris Paul, Okafor, Posey

Toronto trade Hedo, Banks
Toronto receives Garnett

New Orleans trades Paul, Okafor, Posey
New Orleans receives Al Jefferson, Rondo, Sheed

Minnesota trades Jefferson
Minnesota receives Hedo, Banks

According to trade machine on ESPN this works (if made now)

It allows the C's to then move Perkins before or after the draft in a trade to get a new starting PF.  Obviously pieces can be adjusted as teams see fit.  The only thing I wasn't sure about was Hedo to Minnesota.  Minny needs a SF I'm just not sure they want Hedo as that SF. 

It may set us back a bit next year, but Pierce has got to like a team that has Chris Paul going forward and depending on what happens with Perkins in a separate move, it may not even set us back.

Interesting idea.  It seems like you put a lot of thought into this, so I'd like to comment on it.

From what I've read, it seems like Minnesota would do it.  They get rid of one crappy contract at a cluttered position and replace it with a crappy contract at a desired position.

Toronto?  Not sure, but I have absolutely no clue at what they are trying to accomplish.  Maybe if they could get a draft pick back in the deal they would.

NO, I'm not sure if they would or not.  In terms of $$, they really only net lose Posey's bad contract, but also lose the face of their franchise.  This is the team that I'd say nixes the deal.

Boston, tough one...  I love CP3, but who becomes our starting 4?  BBD?  I'd also want a draft pick here and a replacement 4.

[Birdbrain]

trade KG and Paul likely will opt out - he's not into rebuilding

depends on what we get though.  What if it is Chris Paul?

Boston trades Garnett, Rondo, Sheed
Boston receives Chris Paul, Okafor, Posey

Toronto trade Hedo, Banks
Toronto receives Garnett

New Orleans trades Paul, Okafor, Posey
New Orleans receives Al Jefferson, Rondo, Sheed

Minnesota trades Jefferson
Minnesota receives Hedo, Banks

According to trade machine on ESPN this works (if made now)

It allows the C's to then move Perkins before or after the draft in a trade to get a new starting PF.  Obviously pieces can be adjusted as teams see fit.  The only thing I wasn't sure about was Hedo to Minnesota.  Minny needs a SF I'm just not sure they want Hedo as that SF. 

It may set us back a bit next year, but Pierce has got to like a team that has Chris Paul going forward and depending on what happens with Perkins in a separate move, it may not even set us back.

Wow no offense but, this horrible from a fan.  Basketball wise as well.  Posey would be back though...

Obviously nothing like this could happen but, I just find the concept of you what you are proposing to be very disrespectful as a fan of this team.  Just my opinion but, I would rather lose with them getting old rather than lose with worse talent.

[thedawg]

Trading KG is trading the main piece of your puzzle to the finals next season(imo)...what he brings to the table is not all seen on a stat sheet.You can't teach high intensity and its very hard to replace.

 a starter on a team that just finish#2 in the NBA,and now people want to trade him,go figure.

Absolutely not my idea. NBA is all about moving contracts around and finding the right mix. Danny Ainge reportedly was trying to shop KG for Amare in February, wasnt he? I find it too often heppning in the NBA that teams overpay players just so they can retire with the team. We should be looking to beef us up with younger players with the potential and KG, for sure, will be an option for the teams that cleared up their cap space and ended up with nothing in the free agent market. I like KG but if Pierce opts out and gets a great contract somewhere else, and same goes for Ray Allen, then we got quite a good space and KG wont be going anywhere.

[guava_wrench]

I would be fine with moving KG to get out of his contract. He will be extremely overpaid in the season after the next one. If we feel we don't have a chance to win it all next year, seems reasonable.

We might have been better off NOT extending KG when we traded for him, and waiting instead. He would have wanted to re-sign anyway and we might have had him for less $$ due to injury.