Why Should We Re-sign Ray?

[Bankshot]

I'm not sure I want to after he lost games 3 and 7 and cost us a championship.  If he just hits two shots in game 3 we win, same for game 7. 

[Onslaught]

I'm a little p---ed at him too right now. But he did play great D on Kobe and in the end I'm not sure we can get anyone better than him. And lets face it, if we didn't have Ray then we'd not won game 2 and then it would have been over by 6.

[jimmehx]

I thought he played terrific D.

Without that and his matches managed to hit more shots, his three point shooting might not have got us any closer to winning.

I want Ray resigned for a reasonable price. I want him to stay and help us rebuild because he has a wealth of experience to pass on and he's just an all-round class player.

I'll be really disappointed to see him leave - unless it's for a huge offer from a championship desperate club that will make him and his family happier in the long term.

Plus, I have no idea about his pre-reqs for this but I love the idea of one day having Ray assistant coaching. I'm a big fan of his.

[Bankshot]

I thought he played great defense too, but he missed too many wide open shots in games 3 and 7.  With Artest in Pierce jersey, we need him to make shots in order to win. He is the shooting guard after all.  He didn't need to score a lot, just make  5 shots and not turn the ball over.  I think he had like 4 or 5 turnovers too that were killer.  He just played an awful awful game offensively.  What a shame!

[Bankshot]

Maybe I shouldn't have started this thread.  I'm just too emotional right now! I want to blame someone.

[Kwhit10]

I don't know why he was shooting so bad.  I'll just chalk it up to him playing out of his mind on defense on Kobe as the reason for his struggles on the other end.

[jimmehx]

I don't know why he was shooting so bad.  I'll just chalk it up to him playing out of his mind on defense on Kobe as the reason for his struggles on the other end.

That's what I decided on too.
Was playing too defensive minded. Wasn't doing his usual.

Gotta still love him.

[Eric_Suede]

Maybe I shouldn't have started this thread.  I'm just too emotional right now! I want to blame someone.

It's understandable, Trust me I was there too last night screaming at the Tv when he was throwing up those bricks. Despite his terrible shooting the real culprit as to why we're not hoisting up #18 is on the boards.  We MISS YOU POWE & PERK! . seriously a healthy Powe & Perkins would NEVER have given up so many offensive boards. personally I think we should resign ray, Get House back, See if we can find someone stupid enough to take a package deal of Daniels/Scal/finley and get a big man who can rebound.

[wdleehi]

I think he is a sign and trade candidate right now. 


Now I wouldn't be surprise to hear some thing is physically bothering him right now. 




I would have no problem seeing if the Celtics could become a player in the FA market with him. 

[PosImpos]

Ray's incredible inconsistent and unreliable at this point in his career.  For every great shooting night, he'll have 2-3 awful ones.

But he's 35.  You can't really blame him.

[nickagneta]

Maybe I shouldn't have started this thread.  I'm just too emotional right now! I want to blame someone.

I don't know, Bankshot, I think it is as fair a place to place blame for this loss as any. Our shooting guard shot 36.6% from the field and 29.2% from three point land for the series. His eFG% was a pathetic, at least pathetic by Ray Allen standards, 43.3%. It can be reasonably argued that if Ray had made just 2 more 3 pointers in two different games, the Celtics could have won 5 of these seven games.

And this is the second year in a row where Ray's shot has disappeared in the final playoff series of the season. Let's not forget just how awful he was against Orlando in 2009 where once again it can be reasonably argued that if Ray had hit just two more three pointers in two of the C's losses that the C's would have come away with 5 wins in that series instead of losing it 4 games to 3. His numbers against Orlando last year an even worse 34.4% FG% and 19% 3PT%.

Could it be the pratfalls of depending on an aging shooting guard to have his legs under him and produce after playing 90 games in a season? Maybe. Which is why, in the end, the Celtics might need to rethink about resigning Ray. He's a great guy and still a very productive player but he might not be able to be relied upon to produce offensively in the playoffs due to age and fatigue as his outside shot has appeared to have disappeared on him after he has hit his 86th or 87th game played two years in a row.

[Tr1boy]

He needs to go. Thanks for everything, honestly but its time to part ways.

Celtics got money to burn next year and need to chase a big free agent.

Joe Johnson would be a nice fit on our team.

[slamtheking]

Maybe I shouldn't have started this thread.  I'm just too emotional right now! I want to blame someone.

I don't know, Bankshot, I think it is as fair a place to place blame for this loss as any. Our shooting guard shot 36.6% from the field and 29.2% from three point land for the series. His eFG% was a pathetic, at least pathetic by Ray Allen standards, 43.3%. It can be reasonably argued that if Ray had made just 2 more 3 pointers in two different games, the Celtics could have won 5 of these seven games.

And this is the second year in a row where Ray's shot has disappeared in the final playoff series of the season. Let's not forget just how awful he was against Orlando in 2009 where once again it can be reasonably argued that if Ray had hit just two more three pointers in two of the C's losses that the C's would have come away with 5 wins in that series instead of losing it 4 games to 3. His numbers against Orlando last year an even worse 34.4% FG% and 19% 3PT%.

Could it be the pratfalls of depending on an aging shooting guard to have his legs under him and produce after playing 90 games in a season? Maybe. Which is why, in the end, the Celtics might need to rethink about resigning Ray. He's a great guy and still a very productive player but he might not be able to be relied upon to produce offensively in the playoffs due to age and fatigue as his outside shot has appeared to have disappeared on him after he has hit his 86th or 87th game played two years in a row.

I think that gets to the crux of the issue with Ray.  by the time the playoffs come around, Ray's shot is practically non-exisitant.  it could simply be a matter of his age -- no gas left in the tank after that many games are played in a year.  doesn't matter what his conditioning is, he just seems to be out of gas by the late playoff rounds.

I don't think we'll find a better replacement this offseason but maybe DA can pull off a S&T with him to get some other assets for a rebuilding effort.

[CELTICS733]

I love Ray as a person, community man and father however as a Celtic he has been entirely inconsistent.  As the #1 shooting guard you can't score 36 points (7/8) from three in one game and then shoot less than 30% the rest of the series.  The only consistent thing about his game is him being inconsistent. We've seen over his entire playoff run with us.  Yes, he single handedly one a few games for us but overall if you could pencil in a solid 15-25 point night every game our run would have been a lot easier.  

His defense last night was exceptional, he was tighter on Kobe than Artest was on Pierce, he made one bone head foul on Kobe shooting the three but that was probably due to fatigue.  I truly felt Doc should have allowed TA to play a little more to allow RA to get his legs under him for the finish.  

Again, he's the ideal Celtic character, but he doesn't play with the heart, fire and consistency that we need to stay on a Championship level, especially since they'll all be a year older.  

I don't know who will be available but I would surely look to replace him at the 2.  

[papa shuttlesworth]

I think there is a big physical element to his struggles.  After getting kneed in the thigh by Artest in Game 3, he was terrible.  I heard that he sat out practice all series because of the swelling associated with that injury.

Still, a few shots here and there and it would be a different series.  But you could say that about Rondo, Sheed or Pierce too.

Over a seven game series that goes down to the final few minutes it is hard to blame one player.