Why Should We Re-sign Ray?

[Who]

I don't trust Ray Allen. I don't trust his unreliable and increasingly vulnerable offensive game + I don't trust his defensive performance because he was below par for almost the entire year before turning it on and playing excellent defense in the playoffs. His rebounding has already gone down the toilet and they get very little out of his passing ability because he can't beat his man off the bounce.

Add to that, the team has major concerns with relation to defense + rebounding + athleticism + size/quickness on the wing. A 35 year old starting two guard on an aging team. Not sure about the fit ... not anymore. Not with the direction this team is heading in.

There are a lot of worrying elements to Ray Allen.

[Marcus13]

He really did play some GREAT defense on Kobe throughout the series though.  Even in the games where Kobe went off, they were highly contested jumpers that only the best of the best would have a shot at making.  And with that being said, without his play we wouldn't have made it to the Finals.

Besides, we have no cap space.  You're not going to get anybody in his tier to replace him

[papa shuttlesworth]

He really did play some GREAT defense on Kobe throughout the series though. 

And Wade.  And LeBron.  And Carter.

Sure, he could have played better this series, but Ray Allen has been a big part of the Celtics success too.

[rayallen1934]

understood is the fact that he is 35 now.

But to blame this on Ray is pathetic. Like Pierce wasnt 5-15 , and making 2 his last 9 shots, and barely making himself noticed in the second half. Or Rondo MIA in 3rd and 4th. How about letting Fisher and Artest taking uncontested 3 pointers. Whatever.

The rebounding lost this game. Way to many rebounding problems.

also some questionable calls from the refs killed us in the momentum category,,,,see the Gasol block on garnett that was easily a foul.

Doc Rivers also blew it in my opinion, not calling timeouts and not setting up some sets for pierce to get open on.

Re-signing ray would be risky.

[the_Bird]

I'm torn on Ray Allen.  He played some outstand D, but couldn't hit a shot and made some boneheaded passes.  First half, when Artest was all alone on the fast break, he needed to lay RonRon out and make him earn it on the foul line.

Not just this year, either; too many times he's been horrible in each of the last three playoff runs.  

If they bring him back, they NEED someone like Mike Miller on board to take a lot of his minutes, particularly in the regular season.  Limit his minutes to maybe 25-28, maybe he doesn't play the second game of back-to-backs (or he comes off the bench, something like that).  

Kinda wish that Ray Allen took 'Sheed's approach to the regular season.

This team has another run in them, Ray Allen can be a big part of that but they need to bring in someone GOOD that can take the brunt of the load from him.

EDIT: Same is true for Pierce, to some extent.  Can't be playing as many minutes in the regular season, they need someone (again, a Mike Miller would be ideal) who can step in and play 30-32 minutes a game at the 2/3.

[moiso]

It's ridiculous to expect a 35 year old shooting guard to play 40 minutes a night.  Ray can still play and Ray can still shoot with the best of them, but the workload is counterproductive.  I'd like him back at a reasonable salary, but it is way past the time to start cutting back his minutes.  Ray would be an amazing 6th man at this point, and he could handle that role for several more years.  He is simply too old to continue in his current role, especially if the C's are also demanding good defense from him.

[LMorrisAllStar]

I have been reading this blog all during the playoffs.  And this is the most disloyal display from fans.  You all are fickle and it disgust the hell out of me.  It makes no sense how ignorant you all are.  Just because we lost you panic and want to start trading and doing dumb stuff....like getting rid of Doc.  Doc understands his players, so if we go rid of him, the essentially means the Celtics would be starting all over, which is why Danny is so desparate to keep him.  Here's one of the biggest reasons we should keep Ray, He KEPT US IN THE SERIES WITH THE 8 THREES IN THE SECOND GAME!!!! Had he not had a super big night, it may not have went to a game 7.  Let me give you fickle fans some food for thought....don't leave your team high and dry b/c you didnt like the outcome of last night's game. This team will go to the Finals again, esp if they have the same starting 5.  It makes no sense for you so called fans to be trash talking anyone, esp when you are not involved in any of the Celtics business.  What if the Celtics team comes on this blog for inspiration?  They wouldn't get it not with all this crap on here about "why cant KG rebound" or "trade ray".  Everybody in the world didnt believe the Celtics could make it this far, as from what I can see you fickle fans are no better.  Here's a thought, support your team through the ups and downs and stop putting ignorant forum topics on here that only display how big of a moron you are and how DISLOYAL you can be.....

[wdleehi]

I think the Celtics need a number one offensive threat again.



Pierce and KG have aged into great number 2 options.


Rondo is a playmaker that will be at his best with a number one threat.  



I think Ray in a sign and trade might be the best way to do that.

[angryguy77]

Love the guy, but he needs to go. We need a SG that we can count on. He was one of the biggest reasons we lost this series.

[Who]

Pierce and KG have aged into great number 2 options.

I think they're both third options to be honest.

Garnett is still good enough to be a second option but he isn't aggressive enough. So ideally a third or fourth option.

[angryguy77]

I have been reading this blog all during the playoffs.  And this is the most disloyal display from fans.  You all are fickle and it disgust the hell out of me.  It makes no sense how ignorant you all are.  Just because we lost you panic and want to start trading and doing dumb stuff....like getting rid of Doc.  Doc understands his players, so if we go rid of him, the essentially means the Celtics would be starting all over, which is why Danny is so desparate to keep him.  Here's one of the biggest reasons we should keep Ray, He KEPT US IN THE SERIES WITH THE 8 THREES IN THE SECOND GAME!!!! Had he not had a super big night, it may not have went to a game 7.  Let me give you fickle fans some food for thought....don't leave your team high and dry b/c you didnt like the outcome of last night's game. This team will go to the Finals again, esp if they have the same starting 5.  It makes no sense for you so called fans to be trash talking anyone, esp when you are not involved in any of the Celtics business.  What if the Celtics team comes on this blog for inspiration?  They wouldn't get it not with all this crap on here about "why cant KG rebound" or "trade ray".  Everybody in the world didnt believe the Celtics could make it this far, as from what I can see you fickle fans are no better.  Here's a thought, support your team through the ups and downs and stop putting ignorant forum topics on here that only display how big of a moron you are and how DISLOYAL you can be.....

He also couldn't throw a stone in the ocean in the games following. He had a lot of good looks too. We are not ignorant as you like to think. Remember his disappearing act in 08?
I think he's a great guy, but he's a key part of the offense that we cannot rely on anymore.
I'd be alright with him coming off the bench, but his days as a starter should be over.

[Evantime34]

Why do we keep Ray Allen? Well give me a better alternative. There is none. If we lose him then we need to replace his position with either TA or someone at the MLE.

I don't want TA starting for us his inability to finish and his being prone to turnovers makes him a bench player.

If we use the MLE to sign a 2, to replace him then, we can't use the MLE to sign someone that will make our bench better.

Maybe he didn't have the greatest series but he's a heck of a lot better than anyone we could get to replace him if we didn't resign him.

[wdleehi]

Why do we keep Ray Allen? Well give me a better alternative. There is none. If we lose him then we need to replace his position with either TA or someone at the MLE.

I don't want TA starting for us his inability to finish and his being prone to turnovers makes him a bench player.

If we use the MLE to sign a 2, to replace him then, we can't use the MLE to sign someone that will make our bench better.

Maybe he didn't have the greatest series but he's a heck of a lot better than anyone we could get to replace him if we didn't resign him.

That's why I think the Celtics either resign him, sign and trade him or blow the team apart. 

[MBz]

Maybe the issue isn't Allen but Pierce?  Pierce seems to get a free pass in this town because of everything he's done in this town and that's fine, BUT Pierce slows the offense down, makes it extremely stagnant and tends to make passes 3 seconds after they should be made.  The other issue is Ray Allen can't just come into games and start throwing up 3's.  This entire series he should have had Fisher in the post.  Allen had a very good post up game before he came to Boston.  I would have liked to see more of it.  Also, Ray Allen's defense kept us in that game last night.  He shut Kobe down, plain and simple.  Ray Allen losing wasn't the primary reason we lost either.  If you don't rebound the basketball, you will not win plain and simple.

[moiso]

Pierce and KG have aged into great number 2 options.

I think they're both third options to be honest.

Garnett is still good enough to be a second option but he isn't aggressive enough. So ideally a third or fourth option.

Yep.  KG seems to be happy being far down on the option list.  It would be great to have a young 20pt scorer in his prime.  It's funny- Ray for Monta Ellis seemed like a reasonable option for a time, then after the trading deadline passed I was thrilled that it didn't happen.  Now it seems like a good option again.  
It's nice to have balance like the current Celts team has, but when the offense stagnates, it's obvious that we lack a true number one option.