"Sometimes the best team doesn't win"

[Timdawgg]

Yes, Rondo makes the majority of our highlight-reel plays but are you actually suggesting you'd take RR over PP or KG?  That's ludicrous to me.

Please don't use the word "our" in any of your posts.

TP!!!!

[Chelm]

Yes, Rondo makes the majority of our highlight-reel plays but are you actually suggesting you'd take RR over PP or KG?  That's ludicrous to me.

Please don't use the word "our" in any of your posts.

Because I have a different opinion than you about a player on *our* team, you somehow feel you have authority over me?

Talk about arrogant.

[BballTim]

If Ron Artest weren't Ron Artest, he would've fouled Rondo.  

  Kind of an aside, but I don't think Artest could have fouled Rondo if he'd tried. Rondo was moving too fast.

Random rules question, but if Artest fouled him before he caught the ball, but while it was still in the air, would it have been a technical foul?  I know they can't foul someone off the ball in the last two minutes, but would that count?

I agree though, it would have been incredibly hard to foul Rondo in that situation without either giving a hard foul, or allowing him to get an and-1.  He was already in his shooting motion pretty much when he caught it.

  I think that if he had been able to foul Rondo out would have almost certainly been a flagrant foul, and we'd have kept possession after the free throws.

[Chris]

Yes, Rondo makes the majority of our highlight-reel plays but are you actually suggesting you'd take RR over PP or KG?  That's ludicrous to me.

Please don't use the word "our" in any of your posts.

Because I have a different opinion than you about a player on *our* team, you somehow feel you have authority over me?

Talk about arrogant.

OK, we are ending this right now.  There is no need to make statements like that, that infer anyone is less of a fan, and there also is no reason to retaliate.  So lets all calm down.  We are all on the same side here (and even if we are not, we are still required to be respectful).

[Chelm]

If Ron Artest weren't Ron Artest, he would've fouled Rondo.  

  Kind of an aside, but I don't think Artest could have fouled Rondo if he'd tried. Rondo was moving too fast.

Random rules question, but if Artest fouled him before he caught the ball, but while it was still in the air, would it have been a technical foul?  I know they can't foul someone off the ball in the last two minutes, but would that count?

I agree though, it would have been incredibly hard to foul Rondo in that situation without either giving a hard foul, or allowing him to get an and-1.  He was already in his shooting motion pretty much when he caught it.

  I think that if he had been able to foul Rondo out would have almost certainly been a flagrant foul, and we'd have kept possession after the free throws.

It's not technically a technical if he fouls in the last two minutes off the ball, it's TWO shots AND the ball.  I was talking about that specific play, but you're right about Rondo eluding Artest.  Either way, it wouldn't have been an 'and-one' because he was in no position to make a basket.

If the ball is coming toward Rondo, I believe that wouldn't fall under this context.  I believe the only way you get the "off the ball" foul called is if you have absolutely nothing to do with the play.

[Chris]

If Ron Artest weren't Ron Artest, he would've fouled Rondo.  

  Kind of an aside, but I don't think Artest could have fouled Rondo if he'd tried. Rondo was moving too fast.

Random rules question, but if Artest fouled him before he caught the ball, but while it was still in the air, would it have been a technical foul?  I know they can't foul someone off the ball in the last two minutes, but would that count?

I agree though, it would have been incredibly hard to foul Rondo in that situation without either giving a hard foul, or allowing him to get an and-1.  He was already in his shooting motion pretty much when he caught it.

  I think that if he had been able to foul Rondo out would have almost certainly been a flagrant foul, and we'd have kept possession after the free throws.

It's not technically a technical if he fouls in the last two minutes off the ball, it's TWO shots AND the ball.  I was talking about that specific play, but you're right about Rondo eluding Artest.  Either way, it wouldn't have been an 'and-one' because he was in no position to make a basket.

Yeah, I realized afterwards you guys were talking about a different play.  I thought you were talking about the play when Pierce found Rondo streaking for the layup.

[Fafnir]

I'm not sure why so many people are such fans of the kid.

People are fans of Rondo because he's a game changer.  Even when he's having a mediocre night by his standards, he can change a game with one play, like with his tip in over the entire Lakers defense in Game 5.

Rondo had perhaps the most important three baskets in the game on Sunday.

He's a game changer on both ends of the court and with Tony's health issues I don't consider trading the two for second.

[KCattheStripe]

Yes, Rondo makes the majority of our highlight-reel plays but are you actually suggesting you'd take RR over PP or KG?  That's ludicrous to me.

Please don't use the word "our" in any of your posts.

Because I have a different opinion than you about a player on *our* team, you somehow feel you have authority over me?

Talk about arrogant.

I think he was inferring that none of us are on the team so the highlight plays do not belong to us.

[Scribbles]

The funniest thing is that Tony Parkers career is very similar to Rondo’s. And claiming that he’s overrated because he’s playing with a good team...

Tony look around, everything your saying has been said about you.

Actually, I agree with this, though I don't know if you are looking at it the way I am.  Both point guards wouldn't be able to make a team a championship level squad as "the man" like a Deron Williams or Steve Nash would, but both players are stars that happen to have great players around them, which imo makes them.  Now Rondo is by far a better passer and rebounder than Parker, but Parker is a better shooter and is/was a better scorer.  I also will give him that Williams and Paul are more of a challenge to guard.  LA isn't putting Kobe on him to shut Rajon down but to put Kobe on the weakest outside offensive player so he doesn't expand as much energy on that side of the court.  

However I could care what Parker has to say.  I feel the Celtics are the better team and have proven it thus far with who they've beat in the playoffs.  

[BballTim]

If Ron Artest weren't Ron Artest, he would've fouled Rondo.  

  Kind of an aside, but I don't think Artest could have fouled Rondo if he'd tried. Rondo was moving too fast.

Random rules question, but if Artest fouled him before he caught the ball, but while it was still in the air, would it have been a technical foul?  I know they can't foul someone off the ball in the last two minutes, but would that count?

I agree though, it would have been incredibly hard to foul Rondo in that situation without either giving a hard foul, or allowing him to get an and-1.  He was already in his shooting motion pretty much when he caught it.

  I think that if he had been able to foul Rondo out would have almost certainly been a flagrant foul, and we'd have kept possession after the free throws.

It's not technically a technical if he fouls in the last two minutes off the ball, it's TWO shots AND the ball.  I was talking about that specific play, but you're right about Rondo eluding Artest.  Either way, it wouldn't have been an 'and-one' because he was in no position to make a basket.

Yeah, I realized afterwards you guys were talking about a different play.  I thought you were talking about the play when Pierce found Rondo streaking for the layup.

  Haha. I was talking about Rondo streaking in for the layup. Any foul on that play would have probably been a flagrant. The play where Rondo dribbled into the frontcort and gave the ball to KG was another example of his speed. They couldn't get near him while he dribbled up the court before he gave the ball to KG.

[SamuelAdams]

Something about point guards that makes them cocky. I think it is a job requirement and must be on the resume. 

[BballTim]

TP may be a jerk, but he's right.  You'd be crazy to choose Rondo over Parker in a straight-up trade.  Do you remember his Finals MVP performance in 2007?  And his 3 rings?

Also, whoever said Rondo is currently better than Nash... please.  Nash could hit 27% of his free throws kicking the ball.

I'm not sure why so many people are such fans of the kid.  Yes, he's supremely athletic but he can't shoot and makes spiteful plays (PASS IT TO PAUL!).  He's got an attitude I'd rather live without.

But whatever, if he can win me a championship I'll take it.

  If Nash (or Parker) were the Celts pg this year we'd have spent the entire Cavs-Magic ECF discussing the best way to re-build the Celts.

[Yakmanev]

The funniest thing is that Tony Parkers career is very similar to Rondo’s. And claiming that he’s overrated because he’s playing with a good team...

Tony look around, everything your saying has been said about you.

Actually, I agree with this, though I don't know if you are looking at it the way I am.  Both point guards wouldn't be able to make a team a championship level squad as "the man" like a Deron Williams or Steve Nash would, but both players are stars that happen to have great players around them, which imo makes them.  Now Rondo is by far a better passer and rebounder than Parker, but Parker is a better shooter and is/was a better scorer.  I also will give him that Williams and Paul are more of a challenge to guard.  LA isn't putting Kobe on him to shut Rajon down but to put Kobe on the weakest outside offensive player so he doesn't expand as much energy on that side of the court.  

However I could care what Parker has to say.  I feel the Celtics are the better team and have proven it thus far with who they've beat in the playoffs.  

Steve Nash and Deron Williams have never made anyone a championship team as "the man" either.

[moiso]

TP may be a jerk, but he's right.  You'd be crazy to choose Rondo over Parker in a straight-up trade.  Do you remember his Finals MVP performance in 2007?  And his 3 rings?

Also, whoever said Rondo is currently better than Nash... please.  Nash could hit 27% of his free throws kicking the ball.

I'm not sure why so many people are such fans of the kid.  Yes, he's supremely athletic but he can't shoot and makes spiteful plays (PASS IT TO PAUL!).  He's got an attitude I'd rather live without.

But whatever, if he can win me a championship I'll take it.

  If Nash (or Parker) were the Celts pg this year we'd have spent the entire Cavs-Magic ECF discussing the best way to re-build the Celts.

Or Billups.  Rondo is right when he says he is the best at what he does.

[Shots]

How can the best team not win? Perhaps my logic is just flawed, but I would say that only wins can define who is the best, not personal opinion.

I'd say Parker seems rather desperate, why else whould he start spewing nonsense like saying he's better than Rondo. Granted he has been plagued by injuries the past season, but come on. Rondo lead the league in steals and was 4th in assists.. I order to compare players the easiest way is to look at stats - and Parker seems to be far away in every category!