Do You Think Reddick Wants to Be A Celtic?

[footey]

If we lose Ray to FA (hope not), Redick would be a decent replacement, and worth the MLE. Otherwise, not.

[guava_wrench]

Redick deserves credit: he has turned himself into a good NBA rotation player.

No way--repeat, NO WAY--would the Magic not match any Celtic offer.

I think Orlando would let him walk for the MLE, but I can't see us spending that much.   

How many years in a row can the Magic repeat what they did with Gortat? Their money can't be unlimited.

[Roy Hobbs]

Redick deserves credit: he has turned himself into a good NBA rotation player.

No way--repeat, NO WAY--would the Magic not match any Celtic offer.

I think Orlando would let him walk for the MLE, but I can't see us spending that much.   

How many years in a row can the Magic repeat what they did with Gortat? Their money can't be unlimited.

I agree, which is why I don't think they'd match an MLE offer.

What about 3 years, $12 million, though?  I could see them paying that, especially if they intend to let Barnes go.

I do think the Magic will tinker with their roster due to financial concerns, though.  I could see any or all of Pietrus, Gortat, and Bass moved for flexibility reasons.

[Eeyore III]

I don't perceive that much of a difference between paying him $4 million per, and giving him the full MLE, from Orlando's perspective, if dealing with an offer from the Celtics.  He was one of their few players who really stepped up in the series. If they're just going to tinker this offseason, as Otis Smith says, totally losing a key player would be too unpalatable to endure, IMHO.

I also agree that he isn't worth the MLE.

So I still say that the Magic match any offer the Celtics make, and make up the money elsewhere.

[Roy Hobbs]

I don't perceive that much of a difference between paying him $4 million per, and giving him the full MLE, from Orlando's perspective, if dealing with an offer from the Celtics.  He was one of their few players who really stepped up in the series. If they're just going to tinker this offseason, as Otis Smith says, totally losing a key player would be too unpalatable to endure, IMHO.

I also agree that he isn't worth the MLE.

So I still say that the Magic match any offer the Celtics make, and make up the money elsewhere.

That's quite possible, although the difference between a $12 million contract and a full MLE contract (even if for only three years) is fairly significant.  A $12 million contract would start around $3.6 million, while the MLE will start around $5.8 million.  After doubling the difference for the luxury tax, that's $4.4 million in year one, with that number to increase in subsequent years (at least until Orlando drops below the tax line).

Would they go that far?  Maybe, but it's not small potatoes.  Orlando's ownership may decide, though, that they're close enough to a championship so they're willing to pay whatever they need to to keep their core together.

[Mr October]

Reddick is definitely on my FA wish list. And yeah, 16/4 seams about right.

I'm still more interested in an athletic 3 or 4 though: someone like: Ty Thomas, Outlaw, Childress, Warrick, Brewer, Amir Johnson, etc.

If we strike out there, give me a shooter like Reddick, Korver or Miller.

[the_Bird]

I don't perceive that much of a difference between paying him $4 million per, and giving him the full MLE, from Orlando's perspective, if dealing with an offer from the Celtics.  He was one of their few players who really stepped up in the series. If they're just going to tinker this offseason, as Otis Smith says, totally losing a key player would be too unpalatable to endure, IMHO.

I also agree that he isn't worth the MLE.

So I still say that the Magic match any offer the Celtics make, and make up the money elsewhere.

That's quite possible, although the difference between a $12 million contract and a full MLE contract (even if for only three years) is fairly significant.  A $12 million contract would start around $3.6 million, while the MLE will start around $5.8 million.  After doubling the difference for the luxury tax, that's $4.4 million in year one, with that number to increase in subsequent years (at least until Orlando drops below the tax line).

Would they go that far?  Maybe, but it's not small potatoes.  Orlando's ownership may decide, though, that they're close enough to a championship so they're willing to pay whatever they need to to keep their core together.

I think they'd tend to pay a little more to keep him from the C's.  Someone else might pry him away with a 3yr/$12M offer, but they's likely match that if it were the C's who signed him to the offer sheet. 

I do like the idea of spending whatever money Wyc has budgeted this offseason on an athletic PF-type, Ty Thomas or Warrick or someone like that.  Someone who can play some D and run the fastbreak with Rondo.  First priority would be someone like a Mike Miller to save wear-and-tear on Pierce's legs; second priority would be an athletic PF to back up KG.  Would love to see more athleticm in the second unit, would love to see the second unit be able to come into the game, be disruptive on D, cause some turnovers and get into the fastbreak.

[Moranis]

The numbers being thrown around this thread are crazy low.  Do you guys not realize what NBA players are paid?

[Roy Hobbs]

The numbers being thrown around this thread are crazy low.  Do you guys not realize what NBA players are paid?

Lots of NBA players are playing on reasonable contracts.  Good (non-rookie, non-minimum) players off the top of my head who make in the vicinity of $4 million (or less):

Perk, BBD, Tony, Nate, House, Delonte, Gomes, Hakim Warrick, Carlos Delfino, Jamario Moon, Anthony Parker, Matt Barnes, Brandon Bass, Chris Andersen, Ronny Turiaf, Kelenna Azubuike, Travis Outlaw, Rasual Butler, Ramon Sessions, Carl Landry, Roger Mason, Jr., Andre Blatche, etc.

That being the case, I don't think that $4 million or so per J.J. is out of the question.

[Moranis]

The numbers being thrown around this thread are crazy low.  Do you guys not realize what NBA players are paid?

Lots of NBA players are playing on reasonable contracts.  Good (non-rookie, non-minimum) players off the top of my head who make in the vicinity of $4 million (or less):

Perk, BBD, Tony, Nate, House, Delonte, Gomes, Hakim Warrick, Carlos Delfino, Jamario Moon, Anthony Parker, Matt Barnes, Brandon Bass, Chris Andersen, Ronny Turiaf, Kelenna Azubuike, Travis Outlaw, Rasual Butler, Ramon Sessions, Carl Landry, Roger Mason, Jr., Andre Blatche, etc.

That being the case, I don't think that $4 million or so per J.J. is out of the question.

4 million is on the low end of reasonable for a guy like JJ, but there are a lot of people posting in here that think 3 million will get it done and that is just silly.

And for every guy on that list I can find four that make the MLE or greater that aren't worth much of anything.  NBA players make a boat load of money, especially young guys with proven track records and that fill a required need of just about every team in the league.

[indeedproceed]

The numbers being thrown around this thread are crazy low.  Do you guys not realize what NBA players are paid?

Lots of NBA players are playing on reasonable contracts.  Good (non-rookie, non-minimum) players off the top of my head who make in the vicinity of $4 million (or less):

Perk, BBD, Tony, Nate, House, Delonte, Gomes, Hakim Warrick, Carlos Delfino, Jamario Moon, Anthony Parker, Matt Barnes, Brandon Bass, Chris Andersen, Ronny Turiaf, Kelenna Azubuike, Travis Outlaw, Rasual Butler, Ramon Sessions, Carl Landry, Roger Mason, Jr., Andre Blatche, etc.

That being the case, I don't think that $4 million or so per J.J. is out of the question.

I think WHEN you are signed has a lot more to do with anything than WHAT you are worth.

Although...the economy being what it is, mid/lower tier FA's might be a lot less in demand than they'd hope.

But to my original point..Perk's contract is reasonable now. It was inflated in 2006 (was it 06 or 07?) when he signed it..he panned out. If he hadn't panned out his contract would be completely unreasonable.

Now for a guy like Redick who is coming off of a decent playoff series..he looks like he's a bargain, which drives his price up.

[Roy Hobbs]

But to my original point..Perk's contract is reasonable now. It was inflated in 2006 (was it 06 or 07?) when he signed it..he panned out. If he hadn't panned out his contract would be completely unreasonable.

Now for a guy like Redick who is coming off of a decent playoff series..he looks like he's a bargain, which drives his price up.

Not to quibble (and this is a bit off-topic) but I think Perk's contract has *always* been reasonable (and probably below market).  When he signed his current deal, a lot of folks were predicting he'd earn $8 - $10 million.

[Hoops]

No, I do not think Redick wants to be a Celtic.

[Mr October]

The numbers being thrown around this thread are crazy low.  Do you guys not realize what NBA players are paid?

Lots of NBA players are playing on reasonable contracts.  Good (non-rookie, non-minimum) players off the top of my head who make in the vicinity of $4 million (or less):

Perk, BBD, Tony, Nate, House, Delonte, Gomes, Hakim Warrick, Carlos Delfino, Jamario Moon, Anthony Parker, Matt Barnes, Brandon Bass, Chris Andersen, Ronny Turiaf, Kelenna Azubuike, Travis Outlaw, Rasual Butler, Ramon Sessions, Carl Landry, Roger Mason, Jr., Andre Blatche, etc.

That being the case, I don't think that $4 million or so per J.J. is out of the question.

I think WHEN you are signed has a lot more to do with anything than WHAT you are worth.

Although...the economy being what it is, mid/lower tier FA's might be a lot less in demand than they'd hope.

But to my original point..Perk's contract is reasonable now. It was inflated in 2006 (was it 06 or 07?) when he signed it..he panned out. If he hadn't panned out his contract would be completely unreasonable.

Now for a guy like Redick who is coming off of a decent playoff series..he looks like he's a bargain, which drives his price up.

Perkins's contract is not a good example. I thought it was common knowledge that the Celtics were taking a very mild risk with Perk and signed him to an amount that was very favorable to the team, in return for a modest level of security.

But you are dead on with the thought that If you are in the right place at the right time you can get a way inflated contract - like Magette with the desperate Warriors, or Rashard Lewis with the Magic when they had 1 year/ 1 FA shot at getting a star level front court player, or any number of MLE centers that cashed in on 1 good-ish year.

Any team that goes the full MLE with Reddick will regret it. In year 4 and 5, he wont be worth 8+ million per year. He's good, but he's not that good. Take away Howard and make him guard Kobe, Joe Johnson, Wade, Ginobili, etc and you're going to see a world of trouble.

So yeah, 4 million per year is a fair place to start with Reddick for sure.