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Re: Will Beasley be available this summer?
« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2010, 12:26:48 PM »

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If Miami trades Beasley, it will be for additional cap space (plus draft picks), since they're on the cusp of being able to offer three max contracts.  Therefore, they'd move him to either a team under the cap, or to a team that can send back non-guaranteed deals.  Neither scenario fits with the Celts.

I don't think thats a given.  I think there is a good chance that they will go after two max guys, and then use the rest of the cap space to fill in the roster with good players, rather than vet minimum guys.  I also think in this scenario, they could be interested in moving Beasley for a player who fills a need.

For example, if they resign Wade, and sign Amare to play PF, that is approximately $34 million.  Plus $1 million for Chalmers.  Then go after say, Mike Miller $6 million, and Raymond Felton $7 million.  Then they could look to move Beasley for a defensive minded Center (like, say, Perk, who makes just about the same as Beasley).

So, I can certainly see a scenario where the C's would matchup well with the heat for a trade of Beasley for Perk.  Although after this series, I don't know if either team would want a part of it.  Perk was a blackhole on offense, and Beasley looked completely useless.  But I do think the fit makes some sense.
Perk, Amare, Miller, Wade, Felton would be a really nice starting 5.

I think you can get a lot more for Perk than Beasley - wouldn't OKC love to have a guy like Perk in the middle of their team to balance things off? I think OKC can get you more than Beasley. Tell Presti to work some trade mojo and find a way to get you player X.


I am not sure the C's can get much more than Beasley for Perk.  Beasley still has some value in this league, and Perk is basically a one year rental before he asks to get paid. 

As for OKC, they were the team I thought was the best fit for Perk earlier in the season, but after watching them, I think they have a younger, more athletic version of Perk, who fits in better with their style in Ibaka.  I think they will actually be looking for more of a well rounded guy to put next to Ibaka going forward.

Re: Will Beasley be available this summer?
« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2010, 12:38:48 PM »

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D. Wade basically singled Beasley out as needing to show up...  It never happened.  I cannot believe when I read here that people actually want this guy on the Celtics.  He stands for everything that this franchise is not...

I would never want a heartless player on this team, and that is what Beasley is.  I don't think he's in this for the love of the game, but for the love of the cash.
How do we know he is only in it for the love of cash?

It is possible that Beasley will be better on a team like ours where he doesn't have to be the #2 guy. I'm sure we can find plenty of guys who seemed "heartless" until they found an appropriate situation. And what do you mean by "heartless"? Easily demoralized? Lazy? Disinterested?

Doesn't he have emotional problems on record? If I am correct in remembering that, that would make him more of a wildcard than I am interested in.

LOL!!  So, let's go your route and pretend that he's not lazy or heartless, but that he has "emotional problems."  Okay...then that makes me want him even less.  Using your approach doesn't make him any more desirable.  I'm not putting the kid down, because I believe what you are saying is true.  I also believe guys like him can't be trusted with millions of dollars and many years on a contract.  I believe the tag "buyers remorse" will be all over this guy's next deal...

I think this franchise should have learned by now, and especially our fans, that you don't take long-term flyers on guys with questionable work ethic or "issues" in their lives.
I believe I reached the same conclusion as you in my post. I was just less judgmental about it.

Re: Will Beasley be available this summer?
« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2010, 01:24:31 PM »

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Beasley is a tremendous talent but extremely immature, and that's a call Danny needs to make. The Heat are desperate for a center.


I rather the less talented player that plays hard and is effective then the immature player who never plays close to his talent when it matters. 

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Re: Will Beasley be available this summer?
« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2010, 02:52:12 PM »

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Beasley is an enormous talent who came out early, hence the immaturity - which I'd hasten to remind all of you isn't a permanent condition. See Rondo, Rajon for further proof.

Further, he's not exactly surrounded by mentors in Miami. If I'm not mistaken, he's 20 or 21. I know people in the business who insist he's a great kid who desperately needs peers to teach him how to be a pro.

Make no mistake about it: If I could get Beasley for Perkins, I'd do the deal in a second. Move Garnett to the 5, sign a banger to back him up and entrust Beasley to Allen, Pierce and KG. He'll grow up quickly, and we'll get the young "bridge to the future" scorer that this franchise desperately needs to pair with Rondo.
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Re: Will Beasley be available this summer?
« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2010, 02:54:15 PM »

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This kid's emotional issues scare me. I wouldn't be shocked if he were completely out of the league in 5 years because of them.

Re: Will Beasley be available this summer?
« Reply #50 on: April 29, 2010, 03:00:32 PM »

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Beasley is an enormous talent who came out early, hence the immaturity - which I'd hasten to remind all of you isn't a permanent condition. See Rondo, Rajon for further proof.

Further, he's not exactly surrounded by mentors in Miami. If I'm not mistaken, he's 20 or 21. I know people in the business who insist he's a great kid who desperately needs peers to teach him how to be a pro.

Make no mistake about it: If I could get Beasley for Perkins, I'd do the deal in a second. Move Garnett to the 5, sign a banger to back him up and entrust Beasley to Allen, Pierce and KG. He'll grow up quickly, and we'll get the young "bridge to the future" scorer that this franchise desperately needs to pair with Rondo.
I don't think Rondo's and Beasley's issues are similar at all.  Rondo has a little bit of stubborn cockiness in him, Beasley lacks a motor.  Usually a motor is not something that can be developed.  Rondo has always been a competitor.  Beasley seems to have more of a Gerald Green personality(and a lot more talent).  The same laziness, the same facial expresions, the same pouting when things aren't going his way.
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Re: Will Beasley be available this summer?
« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2010, 03:24:04 PM »

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Beasley is an enormous talent who came out early, hence the immaturity - which I'd hasten to remind all of you isn't a permanent condition. See Rondo, Rajon for further proof.

Further, he's not exactly surrounded by mentors in Miami. If I'm not mistaken, he's 20 or 21. I know people in the business who insist he's a great kid who desperately needs peers to teach him how to be a pro.

Make no mistake about it: If I could get Beasley for Perkins, I'd do the deal in a second. Move Garnett to the 5, sign a banger to back him up and entrust Beasley to Allen, Pierce and KG. He'll grow up quickly, and we'll get the young "bridge to the future" scorer that this franchise desperately needs to pair with Rondo.
I don't think Rondo's and Beasley's issues are similar at all.  Rondo has a little bit of stubborn cockiness in him, Beasley lacks a motor.  Usually a motor is not something that can be developed.  Rondo has always been a competitor.  Beasley seems to have more of a Gerald Green personality(and a lot more talent).  The same laziness, the same facial expresions, the same pouting when things aren't going his way.

I actually think Rondo and Beasley do have some similarities.  Beasley has shown at times that he can absolutely turn it on, but he lacks a consistent desire, and more than that, I think he has yet to find how he fits in. 

But Rondo has been the same way.  His motor is not always running either.  It has not been as blatant as Beasley, but he also has had better leadership and guys pushing him.

I certainly would not give up a ton for Beasley, but I would not be surprised if he turns it around, if he ends up in a better situation.

Re: Will Beasley be available this summer?
« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2010, 03:33:13 PM »

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I'm sorry, but you can't teach or mentor somebody into being competitive.  Anybody who plays like Beasley with all the talent he has is not a competitor. 

I'm fine with taking on very talented guys who get too emotional at times, or who lack discipline in their game.  Veteran players can help shape a player like that into a real pro.

What we don't need is a guy who lacks emotional intensity, a guy who underperforms not because he tries to do too much at times, or because he's undisciplined, but because he seems to lack effort and competitive drive. 
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Re: Will Beasley be available this summer?
« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2010, 03:34:14 PM »

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I don't think it is a question of desire. I think it's understanding.

Beasley lacks understanding of how to effect a game outside of jacking up shots.

I would have no concerns about Beasley's effort, determination or work ethic. It's his intelligence that bothers me.

Re: Will Beasley be available this summer?
« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2010, 03:40:39 PM »

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I don't think it is a question of desire. I think it's understanding.

Beasley lacks understanding of how to effect a game outside of jacking up shots.

I would have no concerns about Beasley's effort, determination or work ethic. It's his intelligence that bothers me.

Completely agree in this regard.

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« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2010, 03:50:22 PM »

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There are some players who definitely would/should have benefited from staying in college for 3-4yrs before entering the NBA and some who do quite well coming out of school in 1yr..I think Beasley should have stayed a few more seasons in school if he could have made it academically for the maturity part of it.He seems to be having growing pains to the degree that it has affected his career on/off the court.Give Beasley a couple more seasons with the right team,which could be Miami and we will see a kid making the All Star team.I think he is a walking 20/10 player in the future.  

Re: Will Beasley be available this summer?
« Reply #56 on: April 29, 2010, 03:50:45 PM »

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I don't think it is a question of desire. I think it's understanding.

Beasley lacks understanding of how to effect a game outside of jacking up shots.

I would have no concerns about Beasley's effort, determination or work ethic. It's his intelligence that bothers me.

Yes, I agree with this.  I do think he has a general focus problem (which is what Rondo has as well), but more than anything, I think it is a matter of not knowing how he fits in.

I don't think playing in that system (or lack thereof) in Miami helps matters, but I think chances are this will always hold him back from truly reaching his potential (much like Tony Allen).

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« Reply #57 on: April 29, 2010, 03:55:02 PM »

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If Wade resigns in Miami and then the Heat sign either Bosh or Amare, I think Beasley is gone for either a center of small forward that can start.

Perk for Beasley would work and I would do it in a heart beat. When he matures, I think he will be an excellent player. If he never matures, then it was a bad gamble and trade. If he does, it would be a steal.

Re: Will Beasley be available this summer?
« Reply #58 on: May 01, 2010, 08:34:19 AM »

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I don't think it is a question of desire. I think it's understanding.

Beasley lacks understanding of how to effect a game outside of jacking up shots.

I would have no concerns about Beasley's effort, determination or work ethic. It's his intelligence that bothers me.

I know I am tardy to this party but I like Beasley.  It makes me think back to when we gave up on Chauncy Billups amid many of the same premature conclusions about him.  I think Beasley could follow a similar career trajectory.  I don't think you can do as well as he did in College without "getting it" at some level so I don't see him as another Gerald Green.  Perk would be quite a bit to give up though for a team that is still probably thinking they can win now.  It probably won't come together for him completely even next year but I feel he will get there.

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« Reply #59 on: May 02, 2010, 08:05:01 AM »

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Billups and Beasley aren't in the same category.  Billups just didn't get it - he was thrust into a position that he didn't know how to play.

Beasley has issues from the neck up...  I don't see him as a "team" guy and the last thing we need is a selfish player who makes plays, but they are for the benefit of himself.

I see more Vin Baker in him than Chauncey Billups...
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