Paul Pierce gets it, KG doesn't... (booing)

[nickagneta]

Boo loudly. Boo your lungs off. You should let management, the coaches and the team know you're not happy. Otherwise, if you keep quiet, they just might think that the crap they are giving you is acceptable, and it's not.

What nonsense.

Do you seriously think that the players are happy with how they have been playing and think it's acceptable?? Is there any indication of that in anything you have heard them say??

Again, what I wouldn't pay to see some of you people stand in front of KG, Perk, PP or any of them and tell them to their face that they aren't trying.

To a man they have all been unhappy with the way things have been going. They don't need hecklers, that are allegedly their to support them, with an overinflated sense of entitlement and a low emotional IQ to point out that they aren't performing at their best by booing them.

Some of you people must me interesting to watch when one of your friends or family is going through a rough stretch. Do you boo them as well when they aren't living up to your expectations??? Heaven forbid you would think "what can I do to help".

You think I'm afraid to tell KG and Perkins that the way they've been playing sucks?

What are they immature little kids who are going to slug a paying patron for telling them they are playing poorly? You think they are going to risk going to jail and being sued for millions for knocking someone down because they booed them and told them they suck? You don't think people across the country who aren't Celtic fans don't do that to them all the time?

And, I find the rest of your post quite insulting. Apparently it not okay to show disapproval to your team by booing but it's okay to show your disapproval of my opinion by being insulting.

Sounds rather hypocritical to me.

[Roy Hobbs]

Boo loudly. Boo your lungs off. You should let management, the coaches and the team know you're not happy. Otherwise, if you keep quiet, they just might think that the crap they are giving you is acceptable, and it's not.

What nonsense.

Do you seriously think that the players are happy with how they have been playing and think it's acceptable?? Is there any indication of that in anything you have heard them say??

Again, what I wouldn't pay to see some of you people stand in front of KG, Perk, PP or any of them and tell them to their face that they aren't trying.

To a man they have all been unhappy with the way things have been going. They don't need hecklers, that are allegedly their to support them, with an overinflated sense of entitlement and a low emotional IQ to point out that they aren't performing at their best by booing them.

Some of you people must me interesting to watch when one of your friends or family is going through a rough stretch. Do you boo them as well when they aren't living up to your expectations??? Heaven forbid you would think "what can I do to help".

also, I bet some fans would go up to a KG or a PP and say, what's up with the team guys, something isn't right.  I've had teams that I've coached that you knew something wasn't gelling, and it's totally ok to question their motives

That's a big difference to telling them they're not trying and heckling them.

I don't think anybody is defending heckling.  There's a big difference between that and booing, however.

[Roy Hobbs]

Some of you people must me interesting to watch when one of your friends or family is going through a rough stretch. Do you boo them as well when they aren't living up to your expectations??? Heaven forbid you would think "what can I do to help".

First, let me say that the "holier than thou" attitude just doesn't fly very well on a message board.

Second, I think that it's fair to eventually criticize somebody if you've been consistently supportive of somebody, and yet they continually make bad choices for no reason other than utter apathy and selfishness.  That's roughly the equivalent of what you're seeing from the Celtics team right now.

[Scottie]

Boo loudly. Boo your lungs off. You should let management, the coaches and the team know you're not happy. Otherwise, if you keep quiet, they just might think that the crap they are giving you is acceptable, and it's not.

What nonsense.

Do you seriously think that the players are happy with how they have been playing and think it's acceptable?? Is there any indication of that in anything you have heard them say??

 But, if you still think the team is playing hard every night, or if you think it's okay that they lose games because they don't play with energy, more power to you.

And there it is. Because I don't share the same opinion as you I apparently think the exact polar opposite...that everything is OK and there's no problem. There's that good old black/white scenario.

[Greeny]

Intensity.  KG brings it every night. KG brought that attitude to Boston, and Banner #17 happened.
Defense #1 > that was the motto.

KG may have taken offense to the boo's because HE played hard, but not others on the Celtics team.

Think of it like this..would you be upset if you got blamed(booed) for something you didn't do?

On the flip side, maybe Doc doesn't want them to win and play the Bucks in Round 1. Think of that?
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgcetaNH_48

[Scottie]

Some of you people must me interesting to watch when one of your friends or family is going through a rough stretch. Do you boo them as well when they aren't living up to your expectations??? Heaven forbid you would think "what can I do to help".

First, let me say that the "holier than thou" attitude just doesn't fly very well on a message board.

Simply drawing vague comparisons.....everyone else seems to. They were theater performers for you earlier.....now they are close friends for me. The point was to illustrate how I see the situation.

[Roy Hobbs]

Boo loudly. Boo your lungs off. You should let management, the coaches and the team know you're not happy. Otherwise, if you keep quiet, they just might think that the crap they are giving you is acceptable, and it's not.

What nonsense.

Do you seriously think that the players are happy with how they have been playing and think it's acceptable?? Is there any indication of that in anything you have heard them say??

 But, if you still think the team is playing hard every night, or if you think it's okay that they lose games because they don't play with energy, more power to you.

And there it is. Because I don't share the same opinion as you I apparently think the exact polar opposite...that everything is OK and there's no problem. There's that good old black/white scenario.

Eh...  in case you've forgotten, these were your words:

And that's exactly what you are getting. Nowhere is there any mention of the team having to meet any particular individual's perception of effort, heart or hustle.

You pay to watch a game of basketball and that's what you get. It's that simple.

If anyone can find anywhere where the purchase of a ticket guarantees you a certain level of individually perceived effort or satisfaction I will stand corrected. But, as I understand it, you buy the ticket on the Celtic's terms, not your own.

Is a perceived lack of effort being confused with the fact that these guys are getting old and can't quite do what they used to?

So, rather than accuse me of putting words in your mouth, I'd gently ask you to go back and re-read what you posted less than an hour ago.

[Scottie]

Intensity.  KG brings it every night. KG brought that attitude to Boston, and Banner #17 happened.
Defense #1 > that what the motto.

KG may have taken offense to the boo's because HE played hard, but not others on the Celtics team.

Think of it like this..would you be upset if you got blamed(booed) for something you didn't do?

On the flip side, maybe Doc doesn't want the to win and play the Bucks in round 1. Think of that?

I like this.

I certainly think KG is quite right to feel insulted by the implication that he is not making a big enough effort. I would imagine he would be frustrated enough by his physical inability to play like he used to. The mind is willing but the flesh is week kind of thing.

The whole Bucks in round one thing is interesting though.....that's where I get confused with the why we are so bad at home thing of recent. You would think if we are letting it slip on the intensity/mentality, it would be easier to justify doing so on the road.

[Scottie]

Boo loudly. Boo your lungs off. You should let management, the coaches and the team know you're not happy. Otherwise, if you keep quiet, they just might think that the crap they are giving you is acceptable, and it's not.

What nonsense.

Do you seriously think that the players are happy with how they have been playing and think it's acceptable?? Is there any indication of that in anything you have heard them say??

 But, if you still think the team is playing hard every night, or if you think it's okay that they lose games because they don't play with energy, more power to you.

And there it is. Because I don't share the same opinion as you I apparently think the exact polar opposite...that everything is OK and there's no problem. There's that good old black/white scenario.

Eh...  in case you've forgotten, these were your words:

And that's exactly what you are getting. Nowhere is there any mention of the team having to meet any particular individual's perception of effort, heart or hustle.

You pay to watch a game of basketball and that's what you get. It's that simple.

If anyone can find anywhere where the purchase of a ticket guarantees you a certain level of individually perceived effort or satisfaction I will stand corrected. But, as I understand it, you buy the ticket on the Celtic's terms, not your own.

Is a perceived lack of effort being confused with the fact that these guys are getting old and can't quite do what they used to?

So, rather than accuse me of putting words in your mouth, I'd gently ask you to go back and re-read what you posted less than an hour ago.

Where have I actually said what my opinion on the actual effort of the team is? That hasn't been discussed and is essentially irrelevant to the discussion anyway.

My point, once again, is that all too often when people don't agree with one person's opinion or action (booing in this case), then they are automatically seen to be at the other end of the argument as to the situation (i.e. if I do not boo then I must think the situation is acceptable).

It's an easy (and conveniently lazy) way of trying to dismiss someone's point of view.

[Roy Hobbs]

Boo loudly. Boo your lungs off. You should let management, the coaches and the team know you're not happy. Otherwise, if you keep quiet, they just might think that the crap they are giving you is acceptable, and it's not.

What nonsense.

Do you seriously think that the players are happy with how they have been playing and think it's acceptable?? Is there any indication of that in anything you have heard them say??

 But, if you still think the team is playing hard every night, or if you think it's okay that they lose games because they don't play with energy, more power to you.

And there it is. Because I don't share the same opinion as you I apparently think the exact polar opposite...that everything is OK and there's no problem. There's that good old black/white scenario.

Eh...  in case you've forgotten, these were your words:

And that's exactly what you are getting. Nowhere is there any mention of the team having to meet any particular individual's perception of effort, heart or hustle.

You pay to watch a game of basketball and that's what you get. It's that simple.

If anyone can find anywhere where the purchase of a ticket guarantees you a certain level of individually perceived effort or satisfaction I will stand corrected. But, as I understand it, you buy the ticket on the Celtic's terms, not your own.

Is a perceived lack of effort being confused with the fact that these guys are getting old and can't quite do what they used to?

So, rather than accuse me of putting words in your mouth, I'd gently ask you to go back and re-read what you posted less than an hour ago.

Where have I actually said what my opinion on the actual effort of the team is? That hasn't been discussed and is essentially irrelevant to the discussion anyway.

My point, once again, is that all too often when people don't agree with one person's opinion or action (booing in this case), then they are automatically seen to be at the other end of the argument as to the situation (i.e. if I do not boo then I must think the situation is acceptable).

It's an easy (and conveniently lazy) way of trying to dismiss someone's point of view.

I fail to see how it's lazy or dismissive when somebody responds to your specific words (i.e., a ticket doesn't entitle a fan to a certain level of effort, the lack of effort is only "perceived", etc.)  However, if you're going to fall back on the "I've actually held back my opinion, so that nobody can call me on it" card, again, more power to you.

[tenn_smoothie]

Not great quotes from KG, but I'm willing to let it slide because he said what he said in a state of being p---ed off.....

played too hard over his career to question effort now  

he's done too much for the Celtics.  

Agree though.  Paul got it right and KG wrong.  But I see no need to start a fight with about it.  I believe in his effort and I believe he cares.

It's (Sheed) I worry about in the caring department....

well said.

i agree with Roy's original thoughts and i think KG is a little out of touch with the Boston fans - we are unique in the NBA. i also think it rather ironic that a player who is defined by his effort and intensity would not understand exactly what we are upset with this season.

i also think a little balance is needed here. i'd bet KG is very upset and frustrated and maybe at a bit of a loss for why this team is so lazy at times. he's also probably wondering why he reaches for it at times and often finds his own emotional tank empty.

if you've ever struggled with anything significant in life, you may remember that in the middle of the crisis, you were confused and at a loss to explain why you were having such a hard time or why things had gone bad for you. it's usually not until after some time has passed that we are able to make some sense out of whatever painful episode we went through.

finally, i think there is a big difference between KG and Sheed -

KG's basic nature is to care and to give outstanding effort, he is upset he is not able to do that at times this season,a great basketball player who is frustrated by his inevitable loss of ability that comes with age and injuries.

Sheed's basic nature is to be lazy and to take the easy way out - he is probably annoyed by the criticism, but deep down, he may have the same perspective that Sidney & Curtis had way back in the 1978.

[nickagneta]

The whole Bucks in round one thing is interesting though.....that's where I get confused with the why we are so bad at home thing of recent.

You think the Celtics being bad at home is a recent thing?

The Celtics lost 3 of their first 8 games at home this year.

They were 3-4 in seven games in January at home.

They lost three straight games at home in two different months this year.

The Celtics have lost a game at home by 10 or more points in every month this year but December.

The Celtics have lost at home to the following non playoff teams: Washington, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Houston and Memphis.

The patrons at the Garden have seen 16 losses at home this year. That's 4 more losses at home than the last two years combined and only 4 less than in 2005-06 when the Celtics only won 33 games that year.

The fact that the crowd at the Garden took this long to start booing the consistent horrible efforts they have seen at home this year, to me, is a testament of their patience and love for this team. You haven't heard this crowd boo this team in years. I think they are justified in doing it now given what this team has shown.

And I agree with cdif. I hated when people tried booing the team in 2005-06 and 2006-07. Those teams were young and not very talented and gave everything they had, often being in a game until the very end. Booing that is awful

Booing a team because they have a bad game a couple times a year at home is also awful.

But a team full of talent and experience giving no effort game after game for and entire home season? I see nothing wrong with finally, close to the end of the season booing them.

[vinnie]

Bottom line -- KG is probably the Celtic in the biggest state of denial on this team and is overly frustrated that he simply cannot perform anymore at the level that terrorized other teams and players. What he said was wrong, but I can understand his frustration. However, alienating the fan base it really not a smart thing to do.

[FallGuy]

Bottom line -- KG is probably the Celtic in the biggest state of denial on this team and is overly frustrated that he simply cannot perform anymore at the level that terrorized other teams and players. What he said was wrong, but I can understand his frustration. However, alienating the fan base it really not a smart thing to do.

Agreed. There is no athlete less suited to the twilight of a career than KG.

It must be awful for him. His intensity has always seemed hardwired into who he is.

[guava_wrench]

I feel for KG on this one. KG relies on his emotional intensity, and it is very difficult to maintain intensity once the booing starts.

I fear a little that the team's morale may be lower at home these days.

The love of booing is a very northeast thing. I'm not a fan of it. It is counter productive. Sure, it is the right of the person paying money to insult players, refs, coaches, etc if they want to. But I am far more concerned with getting the most out of the team. Booing doesn't help get the most out of a team.

Why would you expect someone who gives his all each time out to understand fan booing?

If I were a player, I might avoid the northeast due to the lack of loyalty and sense of entitlement fans show. Boo a player like Blatche, Blount, Sheed, or Ricky Davis. Players that are self-indulgent or lazy. The only reason I can see for booing KG is his poor sportsmanship on the court -- which isn't the reason people boo.

You have to expect that a player who wears his heart on his sleeve will be hurt more when fans treat them like that.