Paul Pierce gets it, KG doesn't... (booing)

[CelticHooligan3]

I for one like the theory behind signs but I think it's kinda rude for the people behind you to have an obscured view of the game. So I never bring them. Cheering loudly does it for me.

[Scottie]

We need more fans who care enough & love their team enough to stand up & boo at the appropriate times. Over fans who just sit back quietly & take the inferior product just to not have the players feel embarrassed or slighted.

No offence, but that is absolute rubbish. So many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.

You sound like one of those people who, simply be supporting the team and/or going to games, believes that they owe you something and have this false sense of entitlement.

One main thing though, by not booing it DOES NOT mean that a fan is happy or is pleased with the performance they are seeing. If you are looking at booing/not booing as simply a black/white attitude to performance then it would be difficult to discuss this further.

Kind of reminds me of a few years ago with the fire Doc and Danny crowd. If you weren't actively calling for their head you would be accused of being happy with the way things were going and not minding the poor team we had assembled.

[FallGuy]

We need more fans who care enough & love their team enough to stand up & boo at the appropriate times. Over fans who just sit back quietly & take the inferior product just to not have the players feel embarrassed or slighted.

No offence, but that is absolute rubbish. So many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.

You sound like one of those people who, simply be supporting the team and/or going to games, believes that they owe you something and have this false sense of entitlement.

You think people pay $200 and aren't owed ANYTHING? It's not entitlement. It's an exchange of money for goods.

[Scottie]

We need more fans who care enough & love their team enough to stand up & boo at the appropriate times. Over fans who just sit back quietly & take the inferior product just to not have the players feel embarrassed or slighted.

No offence, but that is absolute rubbish. So many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.

You sound like one of those people who, simply be supporting the team and/or going to games, believes that they owe you something and have this false sense of entitlement.

You think people pay $200 and aren't owed ANYTHING? It's not entitlement. It's an exchange of money for goods.

And that's exactly what you are getting. Nowhere is there any mention of the team having to meet any particular individual's perception of effort, heart or hustle.

You pay to watch a game of basketball and that's what you get. It's that simple.

All this carry on about "making yourself heard".....you really want to make yourself noticed? Stop going to games!! The team starts playing in a half empty stadium will definitely make management and players notice. You will in no way convince me that booing will result in anything positive.

[Roy Hobbs]

We need more fans who care enough & love their team enough to stand up & boo at the appropriate times. Over fans who just sit back quietly & take the inferior product just to not have the players feel embarrassed or slighted.

No offence, but that is absolute rubbish. So many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.

You sound like one of those people who, simply be supporting the team and/or going to games, believes that they owe you something and have this false sense of entitlement.

You think people pay $200 and aren't owed ANYTHING? It's not entitlement. It's an exchange of money for goods.

And that's exactly what you are getting. Nowhere is there any mention of the team having to meet any particular individual's perception of effort, heart or hustle.

You pay to watch a game of basketball and that's what you get. It's that simple.

I disagree 100%.  There's a reasonable expectation that when you go to the game, the team will make an effort.

I mean, if you went to a play, and all of the actors were hung-over and forgot their lines, would you say "Well, I paid to see a play, not a certain quality of performance"?

I do agree, though, that the *most* effective way to communicate is to stop going to games and buying merchandise.  However, the most immediate and individualized feedback a fan can give is to boo.

[Scottie]

We need more fans who care enough & love their team enough to stand up & boo at the appropriate times. Over fans who just sit back quietly & take the inferior product just to not have the players feel embarrassed or slighted.

No offence, but that is absolute rubbish. So many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.

You sound like one of those people who, simply be supporting the team and/or going to games, believes that they owe you something and have this false sense of entitlement.

You think people pay $200 and aren't owed ANYTHING? It's not entitlement. It's an exchange of money for goods.

And that's exactly what you are getting. Nowhere is there any mention of the team having to meet any particular individual's perception of effort, heart or hustle.

You pay to watch a game of basketball and that's what you get. It's that simple.

I disagree 100%.  There's a reasonable expectation that when you go to the game, the team will make an effort.

I mean, if you went to a play, and all of the actors were hung-over and forgot their lines, would you say "Well, I paid to see a play, not a certain quality of performance"?

I do agree, though, that the *most* effective way to communicate is to stop going to games and buying merchandise.  However, the most immediate and individualized feedback a fan can give is to boo.

Again, the effort is the individuals perception. To say that a player like KG isn't making an effort is ludicrous and, based on his career to date, impossible to imagine. It is simply a perception of he individual.

Your play scenario indicates that the actors (players) are willingly making themselves less likely able to give a good performance as opposed to having a bad run where they are just struggling to get it together....there is quite a difference between the two.

If anyone can find anywhere where the purchase of a ticket guarantees you a certain level of individually perceived effort or satisfaction I will stand corrected. But, as I understand it, you buy the ticket on the Celtic's terms, not your own.

Is a perceived lack of effort being confused with the fact that these guys are getting old and can't quite do what they used to?

[nickagneta]

I don't understand how being silent when you are severely dissatisfied at a sporting event does anything but send a wrong signal.

The Garden crowd doesn't boo every game. When the Celtics are giving a good effort, win or lose, you never hear boos. You don't hear cheers in a game when the team is playing well and boos when they aren't. The only time the Garden rains boos down on their team is when they are giving no effort and severely under performing because of it. And usually the crowd will actually cut this team slack for game after game after game, week after week of under performing before they finally start booing.

The crowd has been deathly quiet during some great stretches of Celtic basketball over the last two years. Sometimes the only time they get loud is when the scoreboard is imploring them to cheer. It's embarrassing. So if you get deathly quiet when you are not happy, how is anyone supposed to differentiate you from when the team is playing well because most crowds over the last two years have been deathly quiet during great performances.

You pay your money and have every right to voice your opinion of the way the team is performing any way you want. Cheer, be quiet, boo. I understand the cheering and think that's what people should be doing all the time. Leaving a game you should barely have a voice, IMO. After games and games and games and games of horrible effort and play, I don't see how booing to show dissatisfaction and non acceptance of that play is a bad thing. And I don't see how being quiet during those specific times makes any sense.

You're mad. You're not happy with what you are receiving from the team you paid to see.

Boo loudly. Boo your lungs off. You should let management, the coaches and the team know you're not happy. Otherwise, if you keep quiet, they just might think that the crap they are giving you is acceptable, and it's not.

[Scottie]

Boo loudly. Boo your lungs off. You should let management, the coaches and the team know you're not happy. Otherwise, if you keep quiet, they just might think that the crap they are giving you is acceptable, and it's not.

What nonsense.

Do you seriously think that the players are happy with how they have been playing and think it's acceptable?? Is there any indication of that in anything you have heard them say??

Again, what I wouldn't pay to see some of you people stand in front of KG, Perk, PP or any of them and tell them to their face that they aren't trying.

To a man they have all been unhappy with the way things have been going. They don't need hecklers, that are allegedly their to support them, with an overinflated sense of entitlement and a low emotional IQ to point out that they aren't performing at their best by booing them.

Some of you people must me interesting to watch when one of your friends or family is going through a rough stretch. Do you boo them as well when they aren't living up to your expectations??? Heaven forbid you would think "what can I do to help".

[FallGuy]

We need more fans who care enough & love their team enough to stand up & boo at the appropriate times. Over fans who just sit back quietly & take the inferior product just to not have the players feel embarrassed or slighted.

No offence, but that is absolute rubbish. So many things wrong with this I don't even know where to begin.

You sound like one of those people who, simply be supporting the team and/or going to games, believes that they owe you something and have this false sense of entitlement.

You think people pay $200 and aren't owed ANYTHING? It's not entitlement. It's an exchange of money for goods.

And that's exactly what you are getting. Nowhere is there any mention of the team having to meet any particular individual's perception of effort, heart or hustle.

You pay to watch a game of basketball and that's what you get. It's that simple.

I disagree 100%.  There's a reasonable expectation that when you go to the game, the team will make an effort.

I mean, if you went to a play, and all of the actors were hung-over and forgot their lines, would you say "Well, I paid to see a play, not a certain quality of performance"?

I do agree, though, that the *most* effective way to communicate is to stop going to games and buying merchandise.  However, the most immediate and individualized feedback a fan can give is to boo.

Again, the effort is the individuals perception. To say that a player like KG isn't making an effort is ludicrous and, based on his career to date, impossible to imagine. It is simply a perception of he individual.

Your play scenario indicates that the actors (players) are willingly making themselves less likely able to give a good performance as opposed to having a bad run where they are just struggling to get it together....there is quite a difference between the two.

If anyone can find anywhere where the purchase of a ticket guarantees you a certain level of individually perceived effort or satisfaction I will stand corrected. But, as I understand it, you buy the ticket on the Celtic's terms, not your own.

Is a perceived lack of effort being confused with the fact that these guys are getting old and can't quite do what they used to?

Possibly.

But these players are playing lazy and sloppy as much as they're in decline. After four months of that, jeers from the fans are totally understandable. They're professionals. They'll be okay.

[FallGuy]

Boo loudly. Boo your lungs off. You should let management, the coaches and the team know you're not happy. Otherwise, if you keep quiet, they just might think that the crap they are giving you is acceptable, and it's not.

What nonsense.

If the fans lost their minds and started boo-ing in November or after bad results that were clearly hard fought, it'd be one thing. Given how consistently bad they've been for months on end, their (our) reaction is entirely reasonable.

[cdif911]

I'm torn on this one - I don't think I've ever booed the team, and when I've been there and someone did I have been annoyed, but that was generally in the past when the team wasn't all that good, I thought people who booed were expecting too much and it was kinda dumb

now, I can see it as there is an expectation of excellence, and if they don't perform a boo may be warranted.  That said, I still won't boo my own team, it's not in me to do.

[cdif911]

Boo loudly. Boo your lungs off. You should let management, the coaches and the team know you're not happy. Otherwise, if you keep quiet, they just might think that the crap they are giving you is acceptable, and it's not.

What nonsense.

Do you seriously think that the players are happy with how they have been playing and think it's acceptable?? Is there any indication of that in anything you have heard them say??

Again, what I wouldn't pay to see some of you people stand in front of KG, Perk, PP or any of them and tell them to their face that they aren't trying.

To a man they have all been unhappy with the way things have been going. They don't need hecklers, that are allegedly their to support them, with an overinflated sense of entitlement and a low emotional IQ to point out that they aren't performing at their best by booing them.

Some of you people must me interesting to watch when one of your friends or family is going through a rough stretch. Do you boo them as well when they aren't living up to your expectations??? Heaven forbid you would think "what can I do to help".

I think you're being melodramatic when equating booing a professional sports team to helping a friend or family, but let's be honest, you've never had to raise your voice at someone with a problem before to help them realize the severity of it? I'm going through a really rough stretch with a loved one who coddling doesn't work, it just enables and makes him think his behavior is ok.  There is such a thing as tough love.  That said, booing a pro sports team, guys who make millions of dollars to make baskets and play defense, if your perception is they aren't giving it their all (or if they are, putting their energy in the wrong direction) isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things

also, I bet some fans would go up to a KG or a PP and say, what's up with the team guys, something isn't right.  I've had teams that I've coached that you knew something wasn't gelling, and it's totally ok to question their motives

the big problem here is the talent is greater than the performance. That's why people are frustrated

[Scottie]

Boo loudly. Boo your lungs off. You should let management, the coaches and the team know you're not happy. Otherwise, if you keep quiet, they just might think that the crap they are giving you is acceptable, and it's not.

What nonsense.

Do you seriously think that the players are happy with how they have been playing and think it's acceptable?? Is there any indication of that in anything you have heard them say??

Again, what I wouldn't pay to see some of you people stand in front of KG, Perk, PP or any of them and tell them to their face that they aren't trying.

To a man they have all been unhappy with the way things have been going. They don't need hecklers, that are allegedly their to support them, with an overinflated sense of entitlement and a low emotional IQ to point out that they aren't performing at their best by booing them.

Some of you people must me interesting to watch when one of your friends or family is going through a rough stretch. Do you boo them as well when they aren't living up to your expectations??? Heaven forbid you would think "what can I do to help".

also, I bet some fans would go up to a KG or a PP and say, what's up with the team guys, something isn't right.  I've had teams that I've coached that you knew something wasn't gelling, and it's totally ok to question their motives

That's a big difference to telling them they're not trying and heckling them.

[Scottie]

Issues of booing aside, the thing I can't figure out is why they seem to be worse at home. (An argument to support the "booing doesn't help" theory??)

[Roy Hobbs]

Boo loudly. Boo your lungs off. You should let management, the coaches and the team know you're not happy. Otherwise, if you keep quiet, they just might think that the crap they are giving you is acceptable, and it's not.

What nonsense.

Do you seriously think that the players are happy with how they have been playing and think it's acceptable?? Is there any indication of that in anything you have heard them say??

Well, numerous players have said that energy and effort has been an issue this season.  Heck, Paul Pierce said it was an issue last night, and defended the fans' booing.  However, neither the coach nor the team as a whole has done anything to address that lethargy.  In my opinion, fans can voice their displeasure with a team's effort.

Again, very few fans critique results.  Like Pierce said, if shots aren't going in, that's just the way it is.  It's laziness and complacency that fans object to, and that's something that is 100% within the players' control. But, if you still think the team is playing hard every night, or if you think it's okay that they lose games because they don't play with energy, more power to you.