Man.. Rasheed has to go...

[Drucci]

What's getting old is when anyone believes a player is not measuring up to the level he should be and talks about it, it's called "bashing" ... sorry, but bashing is just slamming someone for the sake of slamming them, but the majority of negative views in this thread are warranted and earned by Sheed's lack of effort. When I criticise a player I don't "bash" them blindly, I provide reasons for why I feel the way I do and point out what that player is lacking. There is NO ONE on this team or any other that is above criticism, least of all Sheed. So if we don't like the way Sheed is playing that means we must want Mikki Moore back?!? I usually agree with you, Drucci, but I'll agree to disagree on this one.

I understand that Sheed can be frustrating but creating yet another thread to criticize him for "jacking up 3's" and showing "no energy" when, in recent weeks, he has considerably reduced his number of three points attempts (only 1 or 2 per game) and plays more and more in the post (like 80% of the time now), is like bashing to me, yes, and undeserved bashing. I think this thread couldn't come at a worse timing considering Sheed's recent evolution in his game and his smarter approach.

And people keep blaming him for "not trying" against some opponents but maybe you should realize he is 35 years old and doesn't have anymore the quickness or the jumping ability needed to stop the quicker, younger power forwards/centers.

[dark_lord]

...down in the post more.

exactly! 

in not happy with his performance, but i have said all along, i will with hold judgment until the postseason.  sheed has historically "coasted" during the season, then exerts himself in the playoffs (i dont agree with the philosophy, but this is what he does).

if he is in fact containing himself for the postseason, im hoping to see him in the post more in the playoffs.  in the postseason, it tends to be a grinding, slower pace....where every possession is important.  im hoping this will put his butt in the post.  bc when he has been in the post during the season, he has contributed a lot.  i hope the leaders on this team encourage him to get in the post

[moiso]

Is it me? Am I wrong? Or am I right?

I'll admit, I was pretty pumped and excited when we got Sheed during the off season, but I don't know, even with this win against the Mavs, I can't see what he is giving the team... I'm not one to go and bash a player all the time, because I like to give them chances, in hopes they'll come around, but tonight, he was horrid.

He only had two points, playing 16 or so minutes, and just seemed so lazy and slow, and lackluster. I remember reading posts about him supposedly giving the team that lazy no effort bug, but geez, this is bad. I hope he does what he usually does, and fires it up in the playoffs, since he's been insinuating that's what he's waiting for.

The game wouldn't have been so close during those last 5 minutes of the game, if Sheed had been more into the game. He only had 3 ribs... I'm just happy to know that the C's can still win down the stretch even with Sheed stinking.

KG did a good job holding Dirk back, even if he still went 11-19.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT HE IS DOING FOR US?

Sorry, but you're wrong ... it was "time" six weeks ago! (TP for the post, though )

Thanks! But can you elaborate??

I agree with everything you said as far as reasoning, I just think he should have gone a long time ago ... in other words, I felt the way you do many weeks ago. (I'm complimenting your post, I just had enough of Sheed by the All-Star break).

I had enough of Sheed two years before we signed him.

[Who]

...down in the post more.

exactly! 

in not happy with his performance, but i have said all along, i will with hold judgment until the postseason.  sheed has historically "coasted" during the season, then exerts himself in the playoffs (i dont agree with the philosophy, but this is what he does).

if he is in fact containing himself for the postseason, im hoping to see him in the post more in the playoffs.  in the postseason, it tends to be a grinding, slower pace....where every possession is important.  im hoping this will put his butt in the post.  bc when he has been in the post during the season, he has contributed a lot.  i hope the leaders on this team encourage him to get in the post

Is this really true?

Statistically, his production in the playoffs has been comparable to his production in the regular season. So too, I feel, has his defensive contributions. 

Rasheed Wallace has also flopped in the playoffs for the last three years running in elimination series. Last year against the Cavs. Against the C's in the title winning season. And against the Cavs the year before that.

I don't think Rasheed has upped his performance level in the playoffs in recent years and I do not think there is reason to believe he will do so this year either.

[Who]

I think it has to be the Celtics main priority to replace Rasheed Wallace as the first big man off the bench this summer.

[Bahku]

I think it has to be the Celtics main priority to replace Rasheed Wallace as the first big man off the bench this summer.

I wholeheartedly agree. (TP)

[snively]

I think it has to be the Celtics main priority to replace Rasheed Wallace as the first big man off the bench this summer.

Agreed.  Preferably with an athletic 4 who can block shots while Baby guards the post.  If Larry Brown is still craving Sheed, I would love to pull off a sign and trade of Sheed and our pick for Ty Thomas.  I can dream.

Until then, we have to cross our fingers and hope that he can start hitting the 3 again. Dropping 6 percentage points off his norm in a year is unfathomable to me (for age reference, Sam Perkins' perimeter accuracy actually increased after age 35), although I guess it happened to Ray earlier this year.  Did the C's sell their souls for the remarkable 3-pt%s last year?

[j804]

...down in the post more.

exactly! 

in not happy with his performance, but i have said all along, i will with hold judgment until the postseason.  sheed has historically "coasted" during the season, then exerts himself in the playoffs (i dont agree with the philosophy, but this is what he does).

if he is in fact containing himself for the postseason, im hoping to see him in the post more in the playoffs.  in the postseason, it tends to be a grinding, slower pace....where every possession is important.  im hoping this will put his butt in the post.  bc when he has been in the post during the season, he has contributed a lot.  i hope the leaders on this team encourage him to get in the post

Is this really true?

Statistically, his production in the playoffs has been comparable to his production in the regular season. So too, I feel, has his defensive contributions. 

Rasheed Wallace has also flopped in the playoffs for the last three years running in the series where Detroit lost. Last year against the Cavs. Against the C's in the title winning season. And against the Cavs the year before that.

I don't think Rasheed has upped his performance level in the playoffs in recent years and I do not think there is reason to believe he will do so this year either.

Historically coasts? Facts, numbers?

Wow even at our best stretch theres the anti-sheeds

[Spilling Green Dye]

Has to go?  And how is that going to happen with 13 games left in the season?  Unless you mean "has to go this offseason" then this thread is completely pointless.  He's not going anywhere so accept it.

I agree that his laziness can be frustrating, but what were your expectations?  We had pretty much no other options this offseason, and I still think he plays decent.  He plays decent defense and gets rebounds.  He's also been one our most durable big-men this entire season.  Giving his minutes to Glen Davis would be disastrous.  Rasheed at least matches up well against some of our bigger opponents, and will prove to have value in the playoffs.

I love seeing a great win like the Dallas one followed up by a post demanding a Rasheed trade.. after the trading deadline     

Your post is interesting.  I perused this thread pretty well and didn't see any of the people complaining about giving his minutes to BBD.  The only thing missing is you adding that Williams should get BBDs minutes that he took from Wallace...

On the first page someone wrote:  "Personally, I'd take the energy and hustle of a Glen Davis over the lazy half-efforts of a veteran like Sheed any day. " 

To me they want BBD to replace Sheeds minutes.  The large bulk of my post was about Rasheed, but I wanted to touch on the "other options" on the team that people allude to or state clearly.  Unfortunately we don't have many other viable options outside of Rasheed, and so I think a thread like this does very little good.

[JHTruth]

Sheed has become the scapegoat for this team's ills all season long,and while he has not been the stud many were hoping for I think he's fulfilled his role.

Fans should have realized his best days are way behind him. Sheed has seemingly always "looked" lazy out there, even in Detroit's 2004 run. I was youtubing the series against the Lakers to see if Sheed really is just a lazy sack out there, and I saw a guy who seemed pretty similar to now. He's never been a guy who wants to pour in a bunch of offense, and coaches have always wanted him to be more aggressive. I think it's just the way he is. I think his defense is actually pretty good, but his boards could improve. The knock on Sheed has always been the same as it is in Boston, that he could be as great as Duncan or KG if he only cared more. I think the team knew what they were getting although they can get frustrated as well I'm sure.

The saying has gone "it's just Sheed being Sheed". But his teammates always seem to love him, and that says something to me. Competitors like Chauncey Billups and Larry Brown don't respect and care for losers, so Sheed has a little credibility with me..

[mmbaby]

 

Sheed has become the scapegoat for this team's ills all season long,and while he has not been the stud many were hoping for I think he's fulfilled his role.

Fans should have realized his best days are way behind him. Sheed has seemingly always "looked" lazy out there, even in Detroit's 2004 run. I was youtubing the series against the Lakers to see if Sheed really is just a lazy sack out there, and I saw a guy who seemed pretty similar to now. He's never been a guy who wants to pour in a bunch of offense, and coaches have always wanted him to be more aggressive. I think it's just the way he is. I think his defense is actually pretty good, but his boards could improve. The knock on Sheed has always been the same as it is in Boston, that he could be as great as Duncan or KG if he only cared more. I think the team knew what they were getting although they can get frustrated as well I'm sure.

The saying has gone "it's just Sheed being Sheed". But his teammates always seem to love him, and that says something to me. Competitors like Chauncey Billups and Larry Brown don't respect and care for losers, so Sheed has a little credibility with me..

I like your take on the situation, JHTruth. I think it's very hard to call a person 'lazy' if you aren't there and don't know him. I don't think he's lazy either; it is just his style of play. He has fulfilled what he was called for and has actually done some good for this team, though you'd never know it when people blindly are bashing him here. I think he has helped the team on defense and is a intimidating presence. And looking at the whole picture - his teammates loving him as part of that picture - is realistic.

I laughed last night when the announcer was talking about Sheed's spouting off and the refs ignoring him. He said, 'well, I think the refs are just used to it now and are only hearing 'Wah Wah Wah Wah'.' They laughed and I did too.

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Had seats behind the hoop last night and was able to see the best and worst of Sheed on defense:

Good:  His length was a problem for Nowitzki, forcing Dirk to pass on several possessions (one notable was to Kidd, who was only one pass away, for an easy 17 ft jumper).

Bad:  His help rotations aren't are sometimes a half-step behind, but much better than earlier in the year. 

My take is that we signed him for his size on defense.  There was nobody available with his size, which I think the C's braintrust and Big 3 all agreed was needed to be solid behind KG (whose ability after injury were uncertain) and Perk (to match up against bigs on other playoff teams).  We needed a 7 footer, and got one.

I haven't been impressed with his effort or coming in out of shape, but he looked to be in shape to me against the Mavs, and played with more interest than I've seen him in the past.  I think we got what we were looking for, and hopefully it will pay off in the postseason.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think it has to be the Celtics main priority to replace Rasheed Wallace as the first big man off the bench this summer.

Only if it's via trade or for very cheap. Priority should be in securing our backup wing and wing depth.

[Spicoli]

Sheed has been playing more in the post lately, and i'm very happy about that. However, he still has some head scratching moments. For instance, in the last game, when someone threw him an alley oop that was too far away from the rim, instead of just catching the ball and regathering himself, he caught it and attempted an "alley oop jump shot." It was one of the most ridiculous things i've seen. It's almost as if the guy is playing hot potatoe, and feels like he needs to get rid of the ball as soon as it touches his hands. Besides his boneheaded plays, Rasheed is what he is. I don't expect anything from Rasheed. Anything we get from him is a bonus.

[Steve Weinman]

...down in the post more.

exactly! 

in not happy with his performance, but i have said all along, i will with hold judgment until the postseason.  sheed has historically "coasted" during the season, then exerts himself in the playoffs (i dont agree with the philosophy, but this is what he does).

if he is in fact containing himself for the postseason, im hoping to see him in the post more in the playoffs.  in the postseason, it tends to be a grinding, slower pace....where every possession is important.  im hoping this will put his butt in the post.  bc when he has been in the post during the season, he has contributed a lot.  i hope the leaders on this team encourage him to get in the post

Is this really true?

Statistically, his production in the playoffs has been comparable to his production in the regular season. So too, I feel, has his defensive contributions. 

Ah, Who, beat me to it (why am I not shocked by this?).

I'd add that "comparable" is practically an understatement.

His per-game average counting stats are almost exactly the same (14.7-6.8-1.8 to 14.6-6.7-1.7), and his per-minute production is a bit lower since he plays two more minutes per game in the playoffs.  That said, as mmmmmm commented to my response to a similar fanpost about this on the front page, it should be noted that the competition is tougher in the playoffs since you are, of course, removing the league's 14 worst teams (or a close approximation, depending on the inequality between the conferences).  But even with that in mind, keeping his numbers constant in two fewer minutes can hardly be considered lifting his game, at least from the standpoint of statistical production (no question there is more to it than that, especially for someone like Rasheed, who is capable of making an impact at the defensive end).

Further, his rebounding and scoring efficiency take noticeable drops in the playoffs, from 12.1 percent rebound rate to 11.4 in the playoffs, and from 53.7 percent to 52.1% TS in the playoffs.

To touch on the harder-to-quantify issue of his defense, I'm still gaining familiarity with the concept of individual defensive rating (DRtg), which purports itself as the number of points per 100 possessions that a player is "responsible" for giving up. So I don't put this last stat forth as any definitive measure, but it seems interesting to note that Rasheed's DRtg is exactly the same at 101 in the regular season and playoffs.

-sw