Man.. Rasheed has to go...

[Ohio Celtics Fan]

Personally, I'd take the energy and hustle of a Glen Davis over the lazy half-efforts of a veteran like Sheed any day. His "swagger" comes from the attitude that he's paid his dues and no longer has to work on the floor ... he has said openly that if he's open, he'll take the three every time, the only problem is his percentage of late is horrible, and the opponent doesn't need to defend him on the perimeter, so they can double-down on Pierce or KG or whoever the current threat is, (which is never Sheed). Yes, we knew what we were getting when Sheed came here, and that's exactly what he's giving us ... which is precisely why that money should've been spent elsewhere, IMVHO.

Wasn't McDyess available this off-season? I'm pretty sure I remember lobbying for him to be signed here. Even if we didn't sign him, I'm still pretty miffed we didn't trade up for Blair, bad knees be [dang]ed.

[Mizzy21390]

I agree with you Bahku, for me, a player can suck for a year or so, but my anger of their lack of skill would not be as high as a player who does have some type of skill but chooses to be lazy and have no effort or come on the floor looking like they want to play. Its the same thing as a sore player, who can care less. And that's what bothers me.

And Witch-King, it's probably coincidence, but man, that would be funny if it was true! You never know whats going on with the players with inside jokes, and locker room stuff... so that would be cool to know. If AI is smart, and really wants to FINALLY get a ring in his shortening career, and ends up coming out of retirement, I would think he would go to a championship contending team...

[Bahku]

Personally, I'd take the energy and hustle of a Glen Davis over the lazy half-efforts of a veteran like Sheed any day. His "swagger" comes from the attitude that he's paid his dues and no longer has to work on the floor ... he has said openly that if he's open, he'll take the three every time, the only problem is his percentage of late is horrible, and the opponent doesn't need to defend him on the perimeter, so they can double-down on Pierce or KG or whoever the current threat is, (which is never Sheed). Yes, we knew what we were getting when Sheed came here, and that's exactly what he's giving us ... which is precisely why that money should've been spent elsewhere, IMVHO.

Wasn't McDyess available this off-season? I'm pretty sure I remember lobbying for him to be signed here. Even if we didn't sign him, I'm still pretty miffed we didn't trade up for Blair, bad knees be [dang]ed.

Yeah, I believe so ... and I agree.

I also want to say that I'm not all negative on Sheed ... there have been a couple of games recently where he showed some better effort, and he is GREAT when he posts up. It's not a matter of whether or not Sheed is a baller, because he has a ton of great skills, I just think he's reluctant to use them. Please don't think that I'm saying Sheed stinks, because I'm not, and he DOESN'T stink ... he just does not give consistent effort when he's on the floor, and all the skills and experience and championship rings and playoff games in the world don't mean a thing if you don't APPLY them. Sheed's skills = B+ ... effort = D+. I really hope it changes and I hope he proves me wrong, because we can use what he has in the playoffs ... if he'll only USE it.

TP's to you folks for a great discussion.

[connerhenry43]

there have been few on here tougher on sheed than me, and he deserves every single bit of the criticism he has gotten on here. however, i agree with bahku. improvement lately and to me better effort. the results for him were not great vs dallas (even though the team got one of their best wins of the year), but i think i am seeing improved effort, more trips to the post, less awful threes. i do not like, was against the signing from day one, but have to say the last few games for sheed have been better.

[MaineBleedsGreen]

Remember when we started the season like 27-5. Back when sheed was still launching, and missing, 3's at a ridiculous clip. I wouldn't hold your breath if you're waiting for him to make or break our season.

[rav123]

There were no alternatives. McDyess, the other possibility, didn't want to sign here, and has been even worse in SA than Sheed here. Orlando matched a full MLE offer for Gortat, while Bass and Millsap were offered more. There was no-one else we could have got for MLE or less that is playing better right now.

We could have had Baby as third big, where he would be more effective than in his current spot. But we weren't sure if another team would offer him more than we were willing to pay. We could have kept Leon, and been without a big for 3/4 of the season. Dejuan Blair was a fluke - 29 teams thought he wasn't worth it, a few of them twice over. Besides, we have had bad luck with bigs with knee problems.

Although he hasn't been living up to his talent or paycheck, we had nothing better than Sheed, and I fully believe (hope  ) that he will turn it up in the playoffs.

[Drucci]

The Rasheed bashing is getting really old... maybe you people would rather have Mikki Moore to backup KG.

Seriously, though, Sheed struggles to defend Nowitzki because he has no quickness any more, it's a bad matchup for him but when he goes in the post he can score on everybody. He has gone into the post a lot of times these past weeks, he is taking lesser 3's and playing better D and people still blame him for everything he does...

I find Baby's game way more frustrating than Sheed's. Baby never passes the ball. Sure, he gets offensive rebounds but he gets blocked shortly after because instead of kicking the ball out he goes for his own shot against 3 or 4 defenders.

[Bahku]

What's getting old is when anyone believes a player is not measuring up to the level he should be and talks about it, it's called "bashing" ... sorry, but bashing is just slamming someone for the sake of slamming them, but the majority of negative views in this thread are warranted and earned by Sheed's lack of effort. When I criticise a player I don't "bash" them blindly, I provide reasons for why I feel the way I do and point out what that player is lacking. There is NO ONE on this team or any other that is above criticism, least of all Sheed. So if we don't like the way Sheed is playing that means we must want Mikki Moore back?!? I usually agree with you, Drucci, but I'll agree to disagree on this one.

[Birdbrain]

He didn't play well last night but, he was essential in the Houston game (led the team in rebounds).  If anyone is going to be patient it should be C's fans.  Haven't we seen it from most of the other players that they struggle from time to time.  He's 35 trying to handle a 7fter who moves like a SF.  I consider that a pretty bad match up for him.  Why does it seem Doc is the only one able to understand this?  He's not shooting 3's and he's playing in the post a lot more the past few months.  I wasn't on the ' bring the sheed ' to Boston bandwagon (for the same reasons brought up in the OP) and I can pull up some posts to prove it but, even I can see his positives.  Sheed is going to be a key component to getting past Cleveland and Orlando if the C's have any plans of getting out of the East.

[Onslaught]

The Rasheed bashing is getting really old... maybe you people would rather have Mikki Moore to backup KG.

Well Moore stank it up. But I felt he put effort into stinking it up. Rasheed just stinks period.

[Spilling Green Dye]

Has to go?  And how is that going to happen with 13 games left in the season?  Unless you mean "has to go this offseason" then this thread is completely pointless.  He's not going anywhere so accept it.

I agree that his laziness can be frustrating, but what were your expectations?  We had pretty much no other options this offseason, and I still think he plays decent.  He plays decent defense and gets rebounds.  He's also been one our most durable big-men this entire season.  Giving his minutes to Glen Davis would be disastrous.  Rasheed at least matches up well against some of our bigger opponents, and will prove to have value in the playoffs.

I love seeing a great win like the Dallas one followed up by a post demanding a Rasheed trade.. after the trading deadline     

[EJPLAYA]

These "jacking up threes" comments are really getting old guys. It either shows you aren't interested in the truth, or you haven't seen a game in a month or so. He was shooting 6-7 threes a game early in the season. The past month he has been shooting 1-2 most nights. Some of those have been forced upon him late in the shot clock. He shot ONE three last night people. It was a wide open shot at the top of the key which is where he shoots the best from.

NO ONE can stop Dirk from shooting that step back fade away. KG couldn't in his prime. I for one thought he stepped up his intensity and defensive effort big time last night. Sure it was because of the verbal exchange from the last game. It shows us though that when the playoffs come around and there is something important going on that he'll be there for us. The guy has so much more talent than any of our other backup bigs. He has more talent than Perk for that matter. Let's give it a rest and realize that this is what we knew we'd get with Sheed but that there would  be dividends paid in the post season. For the minimum stop the lies about him jacking up threes because that hasn't been the case for over a month.

[Redz]

These "jacking up threes" comments are really getting old guys. It either shows you aren't interested in the truth, or you haven't seen a game in a month or so. He was shooting 6-7 threes a game early in the season. The past month he has been shooting 1-2 most nights. Some of those have been forced upon him late in the shot clock. He shot ONE three last night people. It was a wide open shot at the top of the key which is where he shoots the best from.

NO ONE can stop Dirk from shooting that step back fade away. KG couldn't in his prime. I for one thought he stepped up his intensity and defensive effort big time last night. Sure it was because of the verbal exchange from the last game. It shows us though that when the playoffs come around and there is something important going on that he'll be there for us. The guy has so much more talent than any of our other backup bigs. He has more talent than Perk for that matter. Let's give it a rest and realize that this is what we knew we'd get with Sheed but that there would  be dividends paid in the post season. For the minimum stop the lies about him jacking up threes because that hasn't been the case for over a month.

EJ, you're point is valid, but I do remember the one 3 he took last night was from the right side from about 8 feet behind the line and kind of surprised me that he would take from there.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gamecenter/shotchart/NBA_20100320_BOS@DAL?tag=pageRow;pageContainer

But I would say that overall his 3 pointer fascination has been much tamer.

[Birdbrain]

Has to go?  And how is that going to happen with 13 games left in the season?  Unless you mean "has to go this offseason" then this thread is completely pointless.  He's not going anywhere so accept it.

I agree that his laziness can be frustrating, but what were your expectations?  We had pretty much no other options this offseason, and I still think he plays decent.  He plays decent defense and gets rebounds.  He's also been one our most durable big-men this entire season.  Giving his minutes to Glen Davis would be disastrous.  Rasheed at least matches up well against some of our bigger opponents, and will prove to have value in the playoffs.

I love seeing a great win like the Dallas one followed up by a post demanding a Rasheed trade.. after the trading deadline     

Your post is interesting.  I perused this thread pretty well and didn't see any of the people complaining about giving his minutes to BBD.  The only thing missing is you adding that Williams should get BBDs minutes that he took from Wallace...

[Witch-King]

The Rasheed bashing is getting really old... maybe you people would rather have Mikki Moore to backup KG.

Well Moore stank it up. But I felt he put effort into stinking it up. Rasheed just stinks period.

Lol, imagine if the Celtics won the 70+ games that Rasheed predicted at the beggining of this season - basically threatening the 1995-96 Bulls for most wins in a season. We could then reasonably justify lobbying for Michael Jordan to come out of retirement and play for us in the playoffs...