Wall Street Journal compares LeBron to Bird

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The problem is that you didn't answer any of the questions. You simply moved the goal posts.

You said that the 08 celtics were thugs and much more physical than anything that existed in the 80s. Other than talk about f bombs you didn't back it up with anything.

You said Jordan had more advantageous rules and that it was a lot easier to penetrate defenses in the 80s. I provided you with blocked shots, free throws per field goal attempt, and you got nothing.


Then you said that MJ only dominated because it was a weak era with no rivals, and yet completely ignore it when people point out that Lebron plays in an even weaker era.

I mean, let's get serious here: you are actually arguing that hand check rules, defensive 3 second rules and a much, much larger no-charge area HURT wing players. You are actually arguing that Lebron, who shoots 20% more free throws per shot attempt than Jordan EVER attempted, actually gets less calls than Jordan. I mean, really?

Is everyone else wrong?

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/04/22/aldridge.defenses/

No, the problem here is that you are being dishonest with poor listening skills.

You are parsing point a larger point into bits, taking them out of context and then running them through your bizarre feedback loop before presenting them back to me as a hoop to jump through.

Proof that Posey, KP and PJ are/were thugs? I dunno... try watching a game or something, lol.

You are throwing these stats out there in the same way that all those clowns who doubted Durant over the summer based on his +/- last year. Meanwhile, everyone that had ever touched a ball in their life that wasn't physically attached to them knew that he was a stud.

As to LBJ vs MJ vs Bird vs Magic vs Kobe, all of those guys are/were the elite of the elite. All of them had some degree of imperfections. Magic couldn't shoot or defend very well. Larry not the most athletic specimen ever, and also not a terribly great defender. MJ was selfish with no 3-point range (and also never beat a real team). Kobe is/was also selfish and got less defensive attention than the rest because he played with Shaq.

For my money, LeBron now has less imperfections than the rest. He's bigger, stronger and IMO more athletic than any of them. A great scorer, great passer, great defender and he would run through a brick wall to win. You want to talk about what his imperfections are, it is playing with such a sorry cast of misfits in Cleveland (this year's version slightly less terrible, but don't fool yourselves... they are still crap).

Give him the same quality teammates the other guys had, and this is not even a question, IMO. And especially not if he got to play Larry head-to-head with equal talent alongside him.

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I'm being dishonest? Point me where that happened. Or is name calling your alternative to an argument?

You constantly shift the goal posts in this discussion.

Here we are, once again: after talking about how in the 80s people could "drive to the lane with impunity" you simply ignore when even players who played in that era say it was different.

And I'm not even going to waste my time with the whole "Jordan never beat a real team."

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Locking the thread, it's run its course.