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Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #60 on: March 02, 2010, 07:09:02 AM »

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"Every time I see a thread like this I ask the same question: name me one young player that Doc refused to play who is now making an impact on his current NBA team. The answer of course is, there are none."

How about Ryan Gomes? He had 21 dnpcds and another 15 games of 9 min or less before injuries forced doc to start him. He wasn't even dressed most of that time. Last time I looked he is a starter in the NBA.

Leon Powe had 23 dnpcds his rookie season with 24 games of 9 min or less. In 07/08 Powe had 25 dnpcds with 18 games of 9 min or less. In the playoffs Leon had 3 dnpcds and 12 games of 9 min or less with an 8.8 mpg in the finals, even though he went 6/7 from the field and 9/13 from the line for 21 points in only 15 min. in the 2nd game.

Rajon Rondo was once in doc's dog house too. In his rookie year there was a period of 21 games from late Nov till early Jan where he only played 9 mpg and had 4 dnpcds. He finished averaging 37 mpg for the month of April. If doc is such a keen talent evaluator: why did that happen? doc chose 2 other guards over Rondo and I believe that if Danny hadn't traded the other 2 away that doc may still not have made Rondo his starting pg. I also believe that is why Danny did NOT bring in a veteran pg till the end of the championship season because if he had he was afraid that doc might have preferred to play the vet over Rondo.

By doc not playing young guys in games to see what they can do until he is forced to either by injury or trade is a major disservice to Celtics Nation.

Even if Billy Walker could only help us mostly at the offensive end at this time - isn't that enough sometimes? Haven't we had major scoring droughts repeatedly happen? Couldn't we use a jolt of offense with running the fast break and dunking on people - get the crowd going?

doc was here when we got our last ring. Thanks doc. It's time to move in a different direction where we play Celtics basketball again under new leadership, bringing back Celtic Pride.




I don't agree with letting go of Doc (not until we rebuild and give Rondo full control, play faster, post big 3, etc..)

But I agree with your post in general.  As a big Doc supporter I do have some criticisms in this area, although I don't think he's ever taken anything to such an extreme that it hurt the team.....All I mean is that, at the time, as an uninformed so-called clueless fan, I wondered why Rondo, Leon, and others, even Perk, were not on the floor sooner and more often when they were so obviously superior to what was out there.  I chalked it up to needing to get rid of the other players via trade and thus needing to feature them.  And I also chalked it up to a coaching philosophy that emphasizes team and playing within a system way more than individualism.  (In the case of Gomes, however, hard to imagine he wasn't all team all the time).  And I also chalked it up also to a philosophy of sort of breaking the spirit of the young...so that they'll never go back to bad habits, as they associate those bad habits with a painful past....But all of those were guesses on my part....

One forgotten element in this is the following:  The issue is not just whether Billy Walker is any good or not.  This is is:  Is he replaceable?  Danny seemed to intimate the other day that he likes Walker and thinks he'll be a good player, saying he might even him sign him for next year if he's available. But despite this, Danny clearly feels he's replaceable.


Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2010, 07:16:40 AM »

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Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2010, 05:32:51 PM »

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Walker had 21 for the Knicks last night off the bench. Team's leading scorer.  Kid is looking pretty darn good. Eddie, on the other hand, not so. Still like the trade from our POV.

Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2010, 05:38:08 PM »

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This thread should be renamed "The Bill Walker thread".

My PAPOUPG heart almost did double takes right there.

 



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Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2010, 05:39:24 PM »

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Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2010, 05:43:34 PM »

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Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2010, 06:08:36 PM »

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Walker's averaging 10 shooting 60% over 10 games with the Knicks.  However bad he may be defensively, the efficiency, even adjusted for volume, is pretty impressive.

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Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2010, 06:22:12 PM »

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This thread should be renamed "The Bill Walker thread".

My PAPOUPG heart almost did double takes right there.

 



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Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2010, 07:28:28 PM »

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i think the torch has ALMOST officially been passed from Gerald Green to Bill Walker...emphasis on "almost"... :)
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Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2010, 09:30:03 PM »

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I guess the Bill Walker fan club had arts and crafts scheduled last Wednesday???  Maybe thats why his 1 point stinker against the Spurs never got updated on this thread.
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Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2010, 09:43:39 PM »

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Bill Walker is a good basketball player... all this "LOL new Gerald Green" stuff is annoying. The kid was a good college player who dropped from injury. EVERYONE knows that without the injury he's a lottery guy.

Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2010, 09:49:17 PM »

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bill walker couldn't get on the floor on a playoff team even though there were injured players ahead of him.

but he does get minutes on a team that is going nowhere, playing in a system that is best termed "48 minutes of chaos"...

i would say if you carefully balance these two thoughts it proves absolutely nothing.  i'm not saying he's a bad player...but i'm not going to say he's a good one either.
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Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2010, 10:34:45 PM »

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Another good night for Walker.   14 points in 19 minutes so far with 5 minutes left as the Knicks are destroying the Mavs by 30 at Dallas. 

Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #73 on: March 13, 2010, 10:44:27 PM »

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I've seen enough from Walker to say that, inexperienced or not, he could have helped this team, especially while we were short-handed.

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Re: Walker has 14 so far for the knicks
« Reply #74 on: March 13, 2010, 10:47:43 PM »

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2165&year=2006

take a look at Marcus Banks numbers after we traded him to Minnesota in late Janurary 05-06

theyre pretty similar to the numbers Bill Walkers putting up right now, Banks was traded into the same situation that Walkers in right now, lots of minutes and pretty much allowed to do whatever he wants, and we all know how this story ends.

doesnt mean the same will happen to Bill Walker, but I think it's more likely to happen than him becoming anything more than an average role player in the NBA
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