Bill Walker's play with the Knicks...(merged)

[PLamb]

I've always hated this argument, because we sign vets and no matter how effective (or ineffective for that matter), Doc gives them playing time. He usually doesn't give the rooks the same benefit, even if they seem to many outside observers as worthy of the chance. This was more glaring last year, when we were hurting with injuries in the wing positions and Doc kept overplaying Ray and Pierce needlessly, when he could've easily given Walker a bit of playing time consistently. And yet, from the first day Marbury and Moore were available, he gave them vast playing time.

I concur.

I think Marbury played his first day with the team. Dude didn't even play ball for months. But Doc somehow found minutes for Marbury on his first day. Doc philosophies needs re-thinking. Billy should've gotten a lot more minutes last season. We got marquis now, I'll give Doc a pass this season.


What about Powe? Dude is already ballin!! Rather have Powe busted knee than Shelden or Scal

That's because Marbury was a point guard.  Doc was desperate to try to find someone that could run things when Rondo wasn't in.  Unfortunately, Giddens and Walker didn't fit the bill.  

Also, if Marbury had all of the sudden clicked, the Celtics would have had an All Star coming off the bench.  That's also something that Walker and Giddens couldn't claim.  

I don't often defend Doc.  I think he deserves criticism for lots of things.  Playing young players isn't one of them.  The '07-08 team had four very young players in Rondo, Perkins, BBD, and Powe in their rotation.  To say that a guy who has four guys that young in his championship rotation doesn't play youngsters is just plain ludicrous.  

As I already said, the Cavs have scored 74 points at halftime.  It's a disgrace.  Obviously D'Antoni couldn't care less about defense.  

And may I add if Walker was going to get minutes here he needed to learn to play within a system and to play defense

He was incapable of doing either as every time he hit the floor he looked lost

I forget the game but Walker came in one game this year played three minutes and promptly fouled a guy shooting a three and had his guy hit another two shots and was a -9 in the three minutes in the game as the second team gave away a large lead built by the starters

That game was a shining example of Bill Walker's game

Incapable of playing defense or playing within an offensive system not geared specifically to letting him shoot whenever he wanted

The C's don't need a shot happy revolving door backing up Paul Pierce

They need defense off the bench

Walker could not provide that

[PLamb]

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So if Doc had played Walker, told him to shoot whenever he wanted regardless of whether it was in the offensive flow or not and didn't have to play a stitch of defense we could have had Billy Walker playing like a scoring machine as well

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I would rather have a guy know how to play in a system and play defense thank you

are you watching the game or just saying stuff?

I've watched him play against the Celtics and the Grizzlies

D'Antoni is allowing him to shoot whenever he wants and is having him play no defense, just like everyone else on that team

I don't have to watch tonight to know how he's being handled

I've seen how he's being handled and coached twice already

My guess is tonight isn't any different

What has he and TMac held LeBron to less than 30 points at the half so he's doing his job

LOL

So you are not watching the game just saying stuff then. Knicks have quit that is true but I don't think you know whether Walker can play defence or not you're just speculating

No I KNOW he can't play defense

I watched two games he played for the Knicks and every game he's played as a Celtic

The kid can't play defense

[gar]

But he is only -15! The starters are -29:o

[indeedproceed]

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So if Doc had played Walker, told him to shoot whenever he wanted regardless of whether it was in the offensive flow or not and didn't have to play a stitch of defense we could have had Billy Walker playing like a scoring machine as well

...

...

I would rather have a guy know how to play in a system and play defense thank you

are you watching the game or just saying stuff?

I've watched him play against the Celtics and the Grizzlies

D'Antoni is allowing him to shoot whenever he wants and is having him play no defense, just like everyone else on that team

I don't have to watch tonight to know how he's being handled

I've seen how he's being handled and coached twice already

My guess is tonight isn't any different

What has he and TMac held LeBron to less than 30 points at the half so he's doing his job

LOL

So you are not watching the game just saying stuff then. Knicks have quit that is true but I don't think you know whether Walker can play defence or not you're just speculating

No I KNOW he can't play defense

I watched two games he played for the Knicks and every game he's played as a Celtic

The kid can't play defense YET.

I thought your statement was missing something.

[Induna]

you have basically made a judgement on 3 minutes of play  - I think the Doc should be replaced by you.

Look I am not getting into this discussion - was just sayong Walker is getting some minutes and I am happy for the kid (although I feel slightly bad for him because this Knicks team really sucks - meaning they will probably beat Boston  .

[PLamb]

Okay I just now checked the score of the Cavs-Knicks game

It's 101-59 after 3 quarters and someone is actually going to seriously argue with me that if I watched that game my opinion of Billy Walker's defense prowess would change and I would now think he could play defense

[Induna]

Okay I just now checked the score of the Cavs-Knicks game

It's 101-59 after 3 quarters and someone is actually going to seriously argue with me that if I watched that game my opinion of Billy Walker's defense prowess would change and I would now think he could play defense

Mate Kobe Bryants Defence could not help the Knicks

[PLamb]

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So if Doc had played Walker, told him to shoot whenever he wanted regardless of whether it was in the offensive flow or not and didn't have to play a stitch of defense we could have had Billy Walker playing like a scoring machine as well

...

...

I would rather have a guy know how to play in a system and play defense thank you

are you watching the game or just saying stuff?

I've watched him play against the Celtics and the Grizzlies

D'Antoni is allowing him to shoot whenever he wants and is having him play no defense, just like everyone else on that team

I don't have to watch tonight to know how he's being handled

I've seen how he's being handled and coached twice already

My guess is tonight isn't any different

What has he and TMac held LeBron to less than 30 points at the half so he's doing his job

LOL

So you are not watching the game just saying stuff then. Knicks have quit that is true but I don't think you know whether Walker can play defence or not you're just speculating

No I KNOW he can't play defense

I watched two games he played for the Knicks and every game he's played as a Celtic

The kid can't play defense YET.

I thought your statement was missing something.

Yeah and D'Antoni is the coach to bring his defensive ability to the forefront when Tom Thibodeau couldn't

Funny

[PLamb]

you have basically made a judgement on 3 minutes of play  - I think the Doc should be replaced by you.

Look I am not getting into this discussion - was just sayong Walker is getting some minutes and I am happy for the kid (although I feel slightly bad for him because this Knicks team really sucks - meaning they will probably beat Boston  .

No I have made my decision based on watching him in 4-6 college basketball games, 260 or so minutes of time with the Celtics, 3 Summer League games and 2 NBDL games

He's not a good defensive player

[Who]

I can't believe D'Antoni keeps getting jobs.  In a league where defense wins games, he keeps getting jobs despite not caring about it. 

I think D'Antoni would be a good defensive coach if he had more defensive players.

I would have loved to have seen him in Phoenix with Kevin Garnett starting at center. That team would have a won a title in style.

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I've always hated this argument, because we sign vets and no matter how effective (or ineffective for that matter), Doc gives them playing time. He usually doesn't give the rooks the same benefit, even if they seem to many outside observers as worthy of the chance. This was more glaring last year, when we were hurting with injuries in the wing positions and Doc kept overplaying Ray and Pierce needlessly, when he could've easily given Walker a bit of playing time consistently. And yet, from the first day Marbury and Moore were available, he gave them vast playing time.

I concur.

I think Marbury played his first day with the team. Dude didn't even play ball for months. But Doc somehow found minutes for Marbury on his first day. Doc philosophies needs re-thinking. Billy should've gotten a lot more minutes last season. We got marquis now, I'll give Doc a pass this season.


What about Powe? Dude is already ballin!! Rather have Powe busted knee than Shelden or Scal

That's because Marbury was a point guard.  Doc was desperate to try to find someone that could run things when Rondo wasn't in.  Unfortunately, Giddens and Walker didn't fit the bill.  

Also, if Marbury had all of the sudden clicked, the Celtics would have had an All Star coming off the bench.  That's also something that Walker and Giddens couldn't claim.  

I don't often defend Doc.  I think he deserves criticism for lots of things.  Playing young players isn't one of them.  The '07-08 team had four very young players in Rondo, Perkins, BBD, and Powe in their rotation.  To say that a guy who has four guys that young in his championship rotation doesn't play youngsters is just plain ludicrous.  

As I already said, the Cavs have scored 74 points at halftime.  It's a disgrace.  Obviously D'Antoni couldn't care less about defense.  

And may I add if Walker was going to get minutes here he needed to learn to play within a system and to play defense

He was incapable of doing either as every time he hit the floor he looked lost

I forget the game but Walker came in one game this year played three minutes and promptly fouled a guy shooting a three and had his guy hit another two shots and was a -9 in the three minutes in the game as the second team gave away a large lead built by the starters

That game was a shining example of Bill Walker's game

Incapable of playing defense or playing within an offensive system not geared specifically to letting him shoot whenever he wanted

The C's don't need a shot happy revolving door backing up Paul Pierce

They need defense off the bench

Walker could not provide that

Every time he hit the floor for 12 seconds before the end of a quarter? You're arguement is going nowhere. He never got his chance on the Cs, and he could turn out to be a solid NBA player.

Finding out what he could have done for the Cs might have been smart before he was sent packing for a guy who expires at the end of a season when the Celtics are going home early anyway.

[Induna]

you have basically made a judgement on 3 minutes of play  - I think the Doc should be replaced by you.

Look I am not getting into this discussion - was just sayong Walker is getting some minutes and I am happy for the kid (although I feel slightly bad for him because this Knicks team really sucks - meaning they will probably beat Boston  .

No I have made my decision based on watching him in 4-6 college basketball games, 260 or so minutes of time with the Celtics, 3 Summer League games and 2 NBDL games

He's not a good defensive player

Ok I believe you errr I think just wondering why he was drafted why he was considered a lottery pick before his injury and why Danny Ainge called him a good player. But heck we will go with your opinion

[Induna]

20 is that Scalabrines contribution for the season  i'm just saying - don't bite my head off

[PLamb]

you have basically made a judgement on 3 minutes of play  - I think the Doc should be replaced by you.

Look I am not getting into this discussion - was just sayong Walker is getting some minutes and I am happy for the kid (although I feel slightly bad for him because this Knicks team really sucks - meaning they will probably beat Boston  .

No I have made my decision based on watching him in 4-6 college basketball games, 260 or so minutes of time with the Celtics, 3 Summer League games and 2 NBDL games

He's not a good defensive player

Ok I believe you errr I think just wondering why he was drafted why he was considered a lottery pick before his injury and why Danny Ainge called him a good player. But heck we will go with your opinion

So by your logic anyone drafted 47th or higher in the NBA Draft is a good defensive player?

I never said he was a bad overall player

He is just a bad defensive player that is most effective as a total player when he can shoot unconsciously without having to play within a system

The league is full of players like that

[Who]

I've always hated this argument, because we sign vets and no matter how effective (or ineffective for that matter), Doc gives them playing time. He usually doesn't give the rooks the same benefit, even if they seem to many outside observers as worthy of the chance. This was more glaring last year, when we were hurting with injuries in the wing positions and Doc kept overplaying Ray and Pierce needlessly, when he could've easily given Walker a bit of playing time consistently. And yet, from the first day Marbury and Moore were available, he gave them vast playing time.

I concur.

I think Marbury played his first day with the team. Dude didn't even play ball for months. But Doc somehow found minutes for Marbury on his first day. Doc philosophies needs re-thinking. Billy should've gotten a lot more minutes last season. We got marquis now, I'll give Doc a pass this season.


What about Powe? Dude is already ballin!! Rather have Powe busted knee than Shelden or Scal

That's because Marbury was a point guard.  Doc was desperate to try to find someone that could run things when Rondo wasn't in.  Unfortunately, Giddens and Walker didn't fit the bill.  

Also, if Marbury had all of the sudden clicked, the Celtics would have had an All Star coming off the bench.  That's also something that Walker and Giddens couldn't claim.  

I don't often defend Doc.  I think he deserves criticism for lots of things.  Playing young players isn't one of them.  The '07-08 team had four very young players in Rondo, Perkins, BBD, and Powe in their rotation.  To say that a guy who has four guys that young in his championship rotation doesn't play youngsters is just plain ludicrous.  

As I already said, the Cavs have scored 74 points at halftime.  It's a disgrace.  Obviously D'Antoni couldn't care less about defense.  

And may I add if Walker was going to get minutes here he needed to learn to play within a system and to play defense

He was incapable of doing either as every time he hit the floor he looked lost

I forget the game but Walker came in one game this year played three minutes and promptly fouled a guy shooting a three and had his guy hit another two shots and was a -9 in the three minutes in the game as the second team gave away a large lead built by the starters

That game was a shining example of Bill Walker's game

Incapable of playing defense or playing within an offensive system not geared specifically to letting him shoot whenever he wanted

The C's don't need a shot happy revolving door backing up Paul Pierce

They need defense off the bench

Walker could not provide that

Every time he hit the floor for 12 seconds before the end of a quarter? You're arguement is going nowhere. He never got his chance on the Cs, and he could turn out to be a solid NBA player.

Finding out what he could have done for the Cs might have been smart before he was sent packing for a guy who expires at the end of a season when the Celtics are going home early anyway.

I think Walker could become a solid rotation player in the NBA but he has a very long way to go before he reaches that.

I don't think he plays adequate defense + is a below par rebounder for a forward + his lack of jump shooting is a burden offensively and detracts from his otherwise solid offensive play.