"There's nothing I can do about it"

[Fafnir]

Everyone is seeing the problem with Doc's rotations and I think surely Doc has to have been "talked to" about it by Danny and his assistants. 

It is very much Doc's job to keep his lineups charged with energy and not hold on to a group for too long when the chemistry is just not clicking. The coaches are 50% of the story when it comes to energy level in my opinion.  Yes, players still have to play, but to make wholesale substitutions like bringing in 4 cold guys off the bench simultaneously like he did last night is just silly.

Doc see's it, there just isn't much he can do but try and gte the team going.

He said to Rasheed as Cleveland was slowly inching towards the lead: "We're flat you gotta give us some energy a lift".

[RAcker]

Everyone is seeing the problem with Doc's rotations and I think surely Doc has to have been "talked to" about it by Danny and his assistants. 

It is very much Doc's job to keep his lineups charged with energy and not hold on to a group for too long when the chemistry is just not clicking. The coaches are 50% of the story when it comes to energy level in my opinion.  Yes, players still have to play, but to make wholesale substitutions like bringing in 4 cold guys off the bench simultaneously like he did last night is just silly.

Doc see's it, there just isn't much he can do but try and gte the team going.

He said to Rasheed as Cleveland was slowly inching towards the lead: "We're flat you gotta give us some energy a lift".

Well, that didn't seem to work.   

[jambr380]

To me, it looked like they just gave up. I know Doc is usually a pretty good motivator, but I think we need Tony Little out kicking their butts when they're down...

[Fafnir]

Everyone is seeing the problem with Doc's rotations and I think surely Doc has to have been "talked to" about it by Danny and his assistants. 

It is very much Doc's job to keep his lineups charged with energy and not hold on to a group for too long when the chemistry is just not clicking. The coaches are 50% of the story when it comes to energy level in my opinion.  Yes, players still have to play, but to make wholesale substitutions like bringing in 4 cold guys off the bench simultaneously like he did last night is just silly.

Doc see's it, there just isn't much he can do but try and gte the team going.

He said to Rasheed as Cleveland was slowly inching towards the lead: "We're flat you gotta give us some energy a lift".

Well, that didn't seem to work.   

I know, but Doc sees the same things we do.

Sometimes there aren't any good answers....

[RAcker]

Everyone is seeing the problem with Doc's rotations and I think surely Doc has to have been "talked to" about it by Danny and his assistants. 

It is very much Doc's job to keep his lineups charged with energy and not hold on to a group for too long when the chemistry is just not clicking. The coaches are 50% of the story when it comes to energy level in my opinion.  Yes, players still have to play, but to make wholesale substitutions like bringing in 4 cold guys off the bench simultaneously like he did last night is just silly.

Doc see's it, there just isn't much he can do but try and gte the team going.

He said to Rasheed as Cleveland was slowly inching towards the lead: "We're flat you gotta give us some energy a lift".

Well, that didn't seem to work.   

I know, but Doc sees the same things we do.

Sometimes there aren't any good answers....

I agree with you.

The problems this team has are multiple.  It's not as simple as "we're too old" or "we're not focused" or "Doc is not managing minutes right or motivating good enough". Unfortunately, it could be a combination of all of those things and more.

I'm not losing faith in these guys and I don't think they are losing faith in themselves.  They are clearly disappointed with their lack of consistency and I just hope that they get it together and do it soon.  We can't wait until playoff time to decide to get our heads on straight.

[greenhead85]

Doc's misdeed is he maxed out our players' capability in the first 3 quarters against Cleveland resulting in the uncovering of the reality that his best players (except for Rondo and Perk) lack athleticism and energy to finish the job despite being full of skills and talent.

He must learn how to confuse the opponent. It is all up to his strategic approach to get this done but he has to apply this every game. Frequent substitutions (particularly the bigs)in the first 3 quarters, mixing up combination, etc are just few things he has to employ.

Can Danny please fill up the last 2 spots in our roster with bigs like Sean Williams and maybe Goran Sutton or Dikembe (and what about Semih Erden?) because we really need frequent substitutions in our frontline. The teams that are really doing well dominate the middle and attack the rim high up in the air which I believe we seriously lack in defending. Nobody respects our big guys anymore.

[xmuscularghandix]

Rondo runs the team differently in the second half then the first. He stops attacking and force feeds certain players and has then go 1 on 1.

Doc said it, we don't swing the ball to the weak side and run our sets. We just force the ball and make it easy for the other team to defend us.

[jadams5214]

Well I guess this is rock bottom --- losing to one of the worst teams in NBA history at HOME has to be the low point.  The Celtics talked about coming out of the All Star Break focused and ready for a stretch run.

They played well for a couple games and everyone got carried away.  They came home to Boston, barely beat a terrible Knicks team, got demolished by Cleveland and now lost to the historically bad Nets.

The one good thing is now expectations can't get any lower.  What more can this team do to sink any lower?  Hopefully we aren't all about to find out...

[dark_lord]

it doesnt fall on doc, it falls on the players.  doc is right.

[Q_FBE]

it doesnt fall on doc, it falls on the players.  doc is right.

The coach always is the fall guy. IN this case, Doc has not done the leg work in the and the players have not put in the effort into the practices and have fallen into very poor habits that have caught up with them.

I'll keep saying FIRE THE COACH until it happens.

[dark_lord]

it doesnt fall on doc, it falls on the players.  doc is right.

The coach always is the fall guy. IN this case, Doc has not done the leg work in the and the players have not put in the effort into the practices and have fallen into very poor habits that have caught up with them.

I'll keep saying FIRE THE COACH until it happens.

how exactly is it docs fault...please break it down for me. 

bulpett from the herald wrote:

 

In the wake of Thursday night’s collapse against the Cleveland Cavaliers, there were calls for coach Doc Rivers’ ouster that will only increase in volume and number after this debacle. But while Rivers isn’t Red Auerbach, such shot selection would seem to be from the Antoine Walker catalog of fine masonry.

....

Quibble with Rivers’ substitution pattern if you like, but there is no reason that whatever quintet is on the floor should choose not to execute the plans as set forth by the staff.

Don’t take our word for it. Take injured captain Paul Pierce [stats]’s. He put it very plainly at the start of this month down in Washington.

“It’s like you have the answers to the test and you still fail,” Pierce said during a visit to play the Wizards. “It’s just like that. We know the answers.”

That concept was supported late yesterday.

Asked if this is up to the players, Kevin Garnett nodded.

“I think so,” he said. “That’s what it is. Doc gives us direction, and guys have to go out there and follow the plan and execute. That’s all it is. I’m not going to sit up here and give a whole bunch of excuses. That’s not my style. You know, you lose, you lose. They kicked our (butt) tonight, period. Point blank.

“Players have to do more, including myself. We’ve all got to dig deep and see what we’re made of as a team. Seriously.”

Added Rasheed Wallace: “Oh, definitely it’s in this room. . . . We’re the ones out there on the floor. Doc can only do but so much. So we can’t sit up there and say, ‘Oh, it’s Doc’s fault that we lost or Doc’s not doing this or Doc’s not doing that.’ Doc’s not out there on the floor. It’s the five guys that are out there.”

You will now hear claims that the players have therefore tuned out Rivers, that he’s lost the team. These are fallacies. The players like working for this coach and, as Pierce and others have said, they know the plays and defensive schemes are proven.

It will be said then that the coach needs to motivate them better. But if the dignity of the job and earning the respect of your teammates aren’t enough to make players focus, then it won’t matter who’s telling them what to do.

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[MBunge]

it doesnt fall on doc, it falls on the players.  doc is right.

The coach always is the fall guy. IN this case, Doc has not done the leg work in the and the players have not put in the effort into the practices and have fallen into very poor habits that have caught up with them.

I'll keep saying FIRE THE COACH until it happens.

how exactly is it docs fault...please break it down for me. 

bulpett from the herald wrote:

 

In the wake of Thursday night’s collapse against the Cleveland Cavaliers, there were calls for coach Doc Rivers’ ouster that will only increase in volume and number after this debacle. But while Rivers isn’t Red Auerbach, such shot selection would seem to be from the Antoine Walker catalog of fine masonry.

....

Quibble with Rivers’ substitution pattern if you like, but there is no reason that whatever quintet is on the floor should choose not to execute the plans as set forth by the staff.

Don’t take our word for it. Take injured captain Paul Pierce [stats]’s. He put it very plainly at the start of this month down in Washington.

“It’s like you have the answers to the test and you still fail,” Pierce said during a visit to play the Wizards. “It’s just like that. We know the answers.”

That concept was supported late yesterday.

Asked if this is up to the players, Kevin Garnett nodded.

“I think so,” he said. “That’s what it is. Doc gives us direction, and guys have to go out there and follow the plan and execute. That’s all it is. I’m not going to sit up here and give a whole bunch of excuses. That’s not my style. You know, you lose, you lose. They kicked our (butt) tonight, period. Point blank.

“Players have to do more, including myself. We’ve all got to dig deep and see what we’re made of as a team. Seriously.”

Added Rasheed Wallace: “Oh, definitely it’s in this room. . . . We’re the ones out there on the floor. Doc can only do but so much. So we can’t sit up there and say, ‘Oh, it’s Doc’s fault that we lost or Doc’s not doing this or Doc’s not doing that.’ Doc’s not out there on the floor. It’s the five guys that are out there.”

You will now hear claims that the players have therefore tuned out Rivers, that he’s lost the team. These are fallacies. The players like working for this coach and, as Pierce and others have said, they know the plays and defensive schemes are proven.

It will be said then that the coach needs to motivate them better. But if the dignity of the job and earning the respect of your teammates aren’t enough to make players focus, then it won’t matter who’s telling them what to do.

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Where is Shelden Williams when Sheed and/or Big Baby are playing like crap?  There's a lot of other things Doc can be criticized for, but his mindless refusal to play Shelden no matter how awful Sheed and Big Baby are playing is the single best example of them all.

Would playing Shelden solve all of this team's problems?  Of course not.  But at least Doc would be trying to do something about them.  But even though everyone can now recognize this team's problems, NO ONE can explain what Doc is trying to do about them.

Mike