Unhappy with Danny?

[Atzar]

Now that the trade deadline is officially over and we did absolutely nothing to improve this team I will say that I am totally disappointed.  

But i'm not disappointed in Danny.  He did his best.   Kudos for passing on the Hinrich/Ty Thomas crap sandwich.  That sounds like it was the best we could get and that wasn't worth it.

I'm willing to bet Danny is pretty disappointed too.

This basically sums my feelings up as well.

[jambr380]

30 million in expiring contract and all you can get is Nate Robinson?

Terrible, terrible, terrible...

Terrible, terrible reasoning.

Teams generally require something enticing along with the big contract to give up a star.

We have no such players.

Thus the teams all the pie in the sky trade came up with went with better offers.

I see this scenario a ton with boston sports fans (though i assume it's just sports fans in general) they never look at trades objectivly.

I mean, but who wouldn't take a deal involving ray allens contract, scall and big baby for martin over one that included expirings and a stud prospect in landry?

Clearly DA blew that one, he forgot to invoke the inherent "Team X is quite happy to bend over and spread them for a substantialy worse Boston proposal" rule. 

Are you still arguing this point? Geez, didn't you see the Jamison deal? It happens somewhat often and it happened this year. Do you really think Landry is a 'stud' prospect? It's understandable that Danny didn't jump on any deal, but apparently we had a chance at Jamison and Butler w/o any stud prospects included.

[LarBrd33]

30 million in expiring contract and all you can get is Nate Robinson?

Terrible, terrible, terrible...

Terrible, terrible reasoning.

Teams generally require something enticing along with the big contract to give up a star.

We have no such players.

Thus the teams all the pie in the sky trade came up with went with better offers.

I see this scenario a ton with boston sports fans (though i assume it's just sports fans in general) they never look at trades objectivly.

I mean, but who wouldn't take a deal involving ray allens contract, scall and big baby for martin over one that included expirings and a stud prospect in landry?

Clearly DA blew that one, he forgot to invoke the inherent "Team X is quite happy to bend over and spread them for a substantialy worse Boston proposal" rule. 

Are you still arguing this point? Geez, didn't you see the Jamison deal? It happens somewhat often and it happened this year. Do you really think Landry is a 'stud' prospect? It's understandable that Danny didn't jump on any deal, but apparently we had a chance at Jamison and Butler w/o any stud prospects included.

I guess that's the one scenario where you could argue that Danny failed.  I don't know if it was ever verified, though.  Rumors cause a lot of misinformation to spread.  We don't know that the Wizards were actually willing to do Ray for Butler+Jamison... but if such a scenario was an actual possibility, we may have made a mistake.  Even if it WAS a real possibility, I'm still not sure I'm sold.  Butler is 30 and Jamison is an old man signed on for 3 years.  Might have hurt us moving forward.  It's a tough call... especially considering there were so many other names in play that Danny probably thought he had a chance for (Iggy, Martin and Amare)...  I probably would have swallowed hard and passed on the deal too.

[Reyquila]

Danny has a better view of whats going inside the team than all of us put together. He got us a flag. We dont know diddly as to what the owners want vis a vis what the fans want. This is a business and its their money st stake.  Danny did the best he could with the instruments he had. He wants to win it even worse than we do. Its his job on the line, not any of ours, so dont be so short sighted. He doesnt to own the team; he is just an employee there. I wish we could have gotten Butler. I wanted him so bad I would have traded PP for him 3 years ago, but it didnt happen so we watch the games henceforth and hope we have a decent season.

[BballTim]

  I for one, am extremely unhappy with Danny for not coming on weei yet. This is just painful to listen to.

[dlpin]

Are you still arguing this point? Geez, didn't you see the Jamison deal? It happens somewhat often and it happened this year. Do you really think Landry is a 'stud' prospect? It's understandable that Danny didn't jump on any deal, but apparently we had a chance at Jamison and Butler w/o any stud prospects included.

1- You don't know that.
2- Even if that trade did come through, would giving up pretty much all cap flexibility we have for 2011 and beyond be worth it? For two players 30 or older?

[ScalPal]

Not trading Ray will set the Cs back 4+ years. They are now in cap hell until KG comes off the books with no good picks or young assets outside of Rondo to trade, and Rondo shouldnt be traded. Expect mediocre play and picks in the low 20's and high teens for 4-5 years.

We got the one title this is what is the back lash. Was it worth it? I still say yes.

[jdpapa3]

Are you still arguing this point? Geez, didn't you see the Jamison deal? It happens somewhat often and it happened this year. Do you really think Landry is a 'stud' prospect? It's understandable that Danny didn't jump on any deal, but apparently we had a chance at Jamison and Butler w/o any stud prospects included.

1- You don't know that.
2- Even if that trade did come through, would giving up pretty much all cap flexibility we have for 2011 and beyond be worth it? For two players 30 or older?

First of all, Landry is a stud prospect. Second of all, why would we have wanted Jamison for Ray Allen? How does that make any basketball sense? Honestly, I can't blame Danny because the guys with the assets that fit were asking for too much or we had too little.

Very glad we didn't go after an overpaid role player like Nocioni or Hinrich.

[crownsy]

Not trading Ray will set the Cs back 4+ years. They are now in cap hell until KG comes off the books with no good picks or young assets outside of Rondo to trade, and Rondo shouldnt be traded. Expect mediocre play and picks in the low 20's and high teens for 4-5 years.

We got the one title this is what is the back lash. Was it worth it? I still say yes.

Why would not trading ray set the C's back anymore than having him come off the books if no teams wanted to trade young impact players for our pieces. that makes zero sense.

All the crazy trade hypo's people tossed up that didn't come to pass we're significantly worse than the trades made in reality.

Teams are not required to take bad deals from us because we're the celtics.

[crownsy]

30 million in expiring contract and all you can get is Nate Robinson?

Terrible, terrible, terrible...

Terrible, terrible reasoning.

Teams generally require something enticing along with the big contract to give up a star.

We have no such players.

Thus the teams all the pie in the sky trade came up with went with better offers.

I see this scenario a ton with boston sports fans (though i assume it's just sports fans in general) they never look at trades objectivly.

I mean, but who wouldn't take a deal involving ray allens contract, scall and big baby for martin over one that included expirings and a stud prospect in landry?

Clearly DA blew that one, he forgot to invoke the inherent "Team X is quite happy to bend over and spread them for a substantialy worse Boston proposal" rule. 

Are you still arguing this point? Geez, didn't you see the Jamison deal? It happens somewhat often and it happened this year. Do you really think Landry is a 'stud' prospect? It's understandable that Danny didn't jump on any deal, but apparently we had a chance at Jamison and Butler w/o any stud prospects included.

you have no idea if that's true, your elevating a rumor to fact to support your attack on the front office.

a rumor, no less, quite probably leaked by the Wiz to drive up both players value with other teams (and it worked, btw)

There is zero objective evidence that said offer, conveniently leaked about 6 hours before the mavs panicked and pulled the trigger at more than they were initially offering, that such a deal was ever on the table.

In fact everything, up to and including the fact that they would have gotten basically nothing for both players, to even provide that rumor with a sliver of believability.

I understand wishful thinking, but lets try to keep our feet in reality somewhat.

[dlpin]

Not trading Ray will set the Cs back 4+ years. They are now in cap hell until KG comes off the books with no good picks or young assets outside of Rondo to trade, and Rondo shouldnt be traded. Expect mediocre play and picks in the low 20's and high teens for 4-5 years.

We got the one title this is what is the back lash. Was it worth it? I still say yes.

This makes no sense. At worst, we continue to be major players in the 2012 free agency.

The worst possible thing Danny could have done this trade deadline was a panic move that restricted our flexibility.

He didn't do that, even though it seems many of you wanted him to.

[angryguy77]

Not trading Ray will set the Cs back 4+ years. They are now in cap hell until KG comes off the books with no good picks or young assets outside of Rondo to trade, and Rondo shouldnt be traded. Expect mediocre play and picks in the low 20's and high teens for 4-5 years.

We got the one title this is what is the back lash. Was it worth it? I still say yes.

Why would not trading ray set the C's back anymore than having him come off the books if no teams wanted to trade young impact players for our pieces. that makes zero sense.

All the crazy trade hypo's people tossed up that didn't come to pass we're significantly worse than the trades made in reality.

Teams are not required to take bad deals from us because we're the celtics.

Looks like you didn't get the memo

[ScalPal]

Not trading Ray will set the Cs back 4+ years. They are now in cap hell until KG comes off the books with no good picks or young assets outside of Rondo to trade, and Rondo shouldnt be traded. Expect mediocre play and picks in the low 20's and high teens for 4-5 years.

We got the one title this is what is the back lash. Was it worth it? I still say yes.

Why would not trading ray set the C's back anymore than having him come off the books if no teams wanted to trade young impact players for our pieces. that makes zero sense.

All the crazy trade hypo's people tossed up that didn't come to pass we're significantly worse than the trades made in reality.

Teams are not required to take bad deals from us because we're the celtics.

He comes off the books but please understand the NBA salary cap before posting.

thanks,

[dlpin]

He comes off the books but please understand the NBA salary cap before posting.

thanks,

It seems pretty clear to me that it is you who has no idea what he is talking about.

We still have some cap space in 2011, and a lot in 2012.

Trading ray for bad contracts would eliminate that.

[Mr October]

He comes off the books but please understand the NBA salary cap before posting.

thanks,

It seems pretty clear to me that it is you who has no idea what he is talking about.

We still have some cap space in 2011, and a lot in 2012.

Trading ray for bad contracts would eliminate that.

Yeah, in 2012 the C's can aggressively build around Rondo.

Perhaps KG's contract can be flipped at the trade deadline in 2 years. Then the C's can be players in the trade market.

Until then for the most part ownership is gonna stick with Pierce for marketing, and stick with KG because his contract is so big.

Danny Ainge probably did about all he could do. The C's just couldn't wisely match the other moves out there.