Rebounding/Defending the Rim/Personnel Moves

[winsomme]

I'm again frustrated by the decision to not re-up Leon right out of the gate. His energy on the blocks is EXACTLY what this team needs right now. Just the thought of him almost coming back to the floor would be a rallying point for the team.

 Yes, the same way Baby and Daniels coming back were rallying points for the team.

huh?

I think what he is trying to say is that fans thought when the team was playing poorly that a rallying point for the team was going to be Baby coming back from injury and KG coming back from injury and Daniels coming back from injury

Well they all came back and the team never rallied around those returns and started playing better

So the logic goes if they can't rally around the return of KG, the most transcendent player on the team, and play much better ball, why would they rally around bench guy Leon Powe

The logic is pretty sound actually

you don't feel better about this team now that we have our full slate of players back? you don't think that our chances of winning it all have improved to any degree at this point?

He's saying that if the team isn't rallying around KG's return to the lineup, or BBD, or Daniels. Then why would Powe be all that different?

I'm not sure he's right though. Powe's injury is serious, and I think he's better liked than Davis.

all one game of having the team back with all its players....

[moiso]

I thought Powe was great at catching and finishing.

[Fafnir]

all one game of having the team back with all its players....

I know, I'm still hoping the team can come out of the break p---ed off, healthy, and ready to pull off an upset title run.

Plenty of older teams have done it before, I just hope this Big 3 (plus Rondo) has it in them.

[Fafnir]

I thought Powe was great at catching and finishing.

He was good at it, though he'd have his share of stone hand moments. He was great at drawing contact and scoring.

He wasn't good at actually posting someone up other than a much slower or weaker big man.

[PLamb]

KG has been back a while and his return has not rallied the troops

He is this team's heart and soul and yet after an extended absence, this team did not rally and get significantly better

If they won't rally around the return of their supposed best player and leader, why would they rally around Leon Powe

I think the concept, especially in professional sports is over played

The player could help the team get better with his play but I don't think players suddenly "rally" around the return of a player and suddenly increase the quality of their effort and play just because a player returned

Their pros

I don't see things effecting them like that as much as non pros

[winsomme]

KG has been back a while and his return has not rallied the troops

He is this team's heart and soul and yet after an extended absence, this team did not rally and get significantly better

If they won't rally around the return of their supposed best player and leader, why would they rally around Leon Powe

I think the concept, especially in professional sports is over played

The player could help the team get better with his play but I don't think players suddenly "rally" around the return of a player and suddenly increase the quality of their effort and play just because a player returned

Their pros

I don't see things effecting them like that as much as non pros

Nothing works in isolation P. KG can't fix all the problems with the team, but are you seriously not feeling better with KG playing than if he was say out for the season?

Nobody is claiming that Leon in and of himself would rally a Cs team without KG on the floor, for instance.

But with the team in its current state (near full strength) and given Leon's persona and skill-set, yes I believe he could be a rallying point.

He plays the game so hard and he actually contributes to things that we need right now. Like I just said, we are too soft around the basket. Thinking ahead to Leon sticking his nose in on every offensive rebound and battle for the ball would be a nice thing to be able to look forward to...

[Evantime34]

The rebounding/defending the rim play is what moves us from a good team to a championship team.

Sheed has acted at times like he isn't trying (some think this is because he is out of shape). If he starts protecting the rim with regularity we are a better team. The tell tale sign will be when we see Sheed attacking the offensive glass, up to this point he has been conceding every offensive rebound to the other team.

If Kg can some how regain his legs (I think this won't happen until next year if at all), then he will rebound and defend the rim. When he regains his legs he will also attack the offensive and defensive glass which will help.

On defense they are both a step slow. So when they get beat Perk helps, then everyone rotates to help. This allows the defense to create a difficult shot (which is evidenced by us being top 5 in the league in opponents fg %). This rotation however leads us in poor rebounding position because everyone is scrambling to help (which is why we are near the bottom of the league in rebounding).

When/if KG Sheed and to some extent Pierce are able to stay in front of their man consistently we will be the defensive team we were in the championship year.

[moiso]

KG has been back a while and his return has not rallied the troops

He is this team's heart and soul and yet after an extended absence, this team did not rally and get significantly better

If they won't rally around the return of their supposed best player and leader, why would they rally around Leon Powe

I think the concept, especially in professional sports is over played

The player could help the team get better with his play but I don't think players suddenly "rally" around the return of a player and suddenly increase the quality of their effort and play just because a player returned

Their pros

I don't see things effecting them like that as much as non pros

Players rally around energy and production.  If KG was 100% healthy there would be some major rallying going on right now.

[wdleehi]

Celtics should make this move. 


Davis can be replaced well enough by Williams and Scali.  Down the road, another big man likely will become available through buy outs. 


This move will finally plug the PG hole on the bench. 

[Evantime34]

Celtics should make this move. 


Davis can be replaced well enough by Williams and Scali.  Down the road, another big man likely will become available through buy outs. 


This move will finally plug the PG hole on the bench. 

If you're assuming a quality big will become available down the road, why not assume a quality pg will as well? If a quality pg becomes available there is no need to trade Davis.

[wdleehi]

Celtics should make this move. 


Davis can be replaced well enough by Williams and Scali.  Down the road, another big man likely will become available through buy outs. 


This move will finally plug the PG hole on the bench. 

If you're assuming a quality big will become available down the road, why not assume a quality pg will as well? If a quality pg becomes available there is no need to trade Davis.

History.  Cassell.  Marbary. 


VS. the big men like PJ Brown.  Miki was bad, but the Celtics jumped the gun before some better big men were out there.

[thirstyboots18]

Drucci, I rarely disagree with you but in this case I think we need another back up point guard.  Marquis is Very Very important to this team, but he backs up three positions.  He has been prone to injury in his career, and he (as well as our older vets) should not be played unlimited minutes.  Should he be required to cover for Ray for a game, for instance, a good, legitimate back up point guard would be very helpful.  Rondo is young and healthy, but anyone can get injured (especially the way he plays).   We have four back up bigs (Sheed, Williams, Scal and Davis). I think we could get by with three.  Our back up guards are Marquis, Tony Allen and Eddie House?  Marquis is really the only one qualified to play point, imo.  And, it is really necessary for Marquis to play with the second unit as he is the one who adds direction and a spark to that group.  Eddie is a three point shooter, not a ball handler.  Tony plays good D....not a floor general.  I would trade Glen Davis (can't finish around the rim, turns the ball over too much) while he is playing well and we can get something for him.  I also think it would be better for him...the fans in Boston have soured on him, as well as the owner of the club.

[BballTim]

Celtics should make this move. 


Davis can be replaced well enough by Williams and Scali.  Down the road, another big man likely will become available through buy outs. 


This move will finally plug the PG hole on the bench. 

  I think that this just shifts the hole. I'm not happy with Baby but if he can get back to where he was at the end of last year he can contribute more than a backup pg. The thing is that you can't really evaluate any move right now as a final roster move as he may make additional trades or have plans to sign a bought out player. If he thinks that it would be easier to bolser our backup pf spot (or even if he has the expectation that Sheed is going to pick things up as the playoffs get closer) then it's probably a good move.

  By the way, if this team picks things up in April, have we one-upped Iverson? "Regular season games? Regular season games? This isn't the playoffs, man!".

[winsomme]

Drucci, I rarely disagree with you but in this case I think we need another back up point guard.  Marquis is Very Very important to this team, but he backs up three positions.  He has been prone to injury in his career, and he (as well as our older vets) should not be played unlimited minutes.  Should he be required to cover for Ray for a game, for instance, a good, legitimate back up point guard would be very helpful.  Rondo is young and healthy, but anyone can get injured (especially the way he plays).   We have four back up bigs (Sheed, Williams, Scal and Davis). I think we could get by with three.  Our back up guards are Marquis, Tony Allen and Eddie House?  Marquis is really the only one qualified to play point, imo.  And, it is really necessary for Marquis to play with the second unit as he is the one who adds direction and a spark to that group.  Eddie is a three point shooter, not a ball handler.  Tony plays good D....not a floor general.  I would trade Glen Davis (can't finish around the rim, turns the ball over too much) while he is playing well and we can get something for him.  I also think it would be better for him...the fans in Boston have soured on him, as well as the owner of the club.

we have four backup bigs, but we can't defend the paint. It's not simply about the number of backups, it's about the effectiveness....

again, defending the paint and rebounding...way more important than the backup PG position.

[winsomme]

Celtics should make this move. 


Davis can be replaced well enough by Williams and Scali.  Down the road, another big man likely will become available through buy outs. 


This move will finally plug the PG hole on the bench. 

  I think that this just shifts the hole. I'm not happy with Baby but if he can get back to where he was at the end of last year he can contribute more than a backup pg. The thing is that you can't really evaluate any move right now as a final roster move as he may make additional trades or have plans to sign a bought out player. If he thinks that it would be easier to bolser our backup pf spot (or even if he has the expectation that Sheed is going to pick things up as the playoffs get closer) then it's probably a good move.

  By the way, if this team picks things up in April, have we one-upped Iverson? "Regular season games? Regular season games? This isn't the playoffs, man!".

I think you also need to gauge the relative importance of the holes. and when I see us getting pushed around on the blocks, the last thing I want to see us do is weaken our post presence.

If there are concrete moves to shore up the loss of Baby, that's another thing. but if the idea is that we will find some other guy down the road all I have to say is Mikki Moore....