Blow it all up

[crownsy]

I think that right now Richardson is better than the hobbling Pierce, and there is no assurance that Pierce will ever regain his quickness.  Richardson certainly outplayed Pierce when we played the Suns. And Barbosa is a good player.

barbosa is hurt, and likely won't play again this season.

Also there have been rumblings that he may be close to calling it a career.

??  is the injury really that severe?  he's not that old

HE's 28, which isn't to old, but the rumors over the summer are he wants to be done by his early thirties, so that his body isn't as torn up as some of the slashing guards who play till their mid 30's.

It's just a rumor, but still, I don't really value him highly.

[Kuberski33]

Be careful what you wish for.  The rules of this league dictate that when you suck, it takes a lot of time - and quite a bit of luck - to once again become a contender.

Blowing it completely up is not the answer.  There's still enough talent here that one decent move could straighten this out.  Hopefully it involves getting that fat, lazy slug Rasheed out of Boston and someone with a little passion who will get some rebounds and give a consistent nightly effort in his place.

[Moranis]

C's should just blow it all up by making the following trades

Garnett and Sheed FOR Illgauskus, Hickson, West, Powe, and CLE 1st

&

Ray Allen FOR Hinrich, Thomas, and Richard (filler)

&

Pierce FOR Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, and Tim Thomas (filler)


C's could then either be players in free agency (only hinrich, perkins, west, rondo, hickson, davis, and the two firsts are on the books for about 30 million) or re-sign the new players like Howard and Thomas. 

I just think the C's are done (even healthy no way the C's beat both the Magic and Cavs (or even Hawks)) and I'm not sure there would be better trade out there for these guys (maybe Pierce, but he can opt out and i'm not sure there is a huge market of valuable players for an older player that can opt out).  Sadly, it is time to start over.

Rondo - West
Hinrich - Giddens
Walker
Hickson - Powe
Perkins - Davis

Our #1 (15-18 range), Cleveland's #1 (28-30 range) and about $15 million in cap space. Not sure this is the best idea.

Now, if sent Pierce and Wallace to Dallas for Howard and Dampier, kept Ray, and sent Garnett and Davis to Cleveland for expirings and Hickson, you would have:

Rondo
Giddens
Walker
Hickson
Perkins

Our pick (10-12) and $33 million in cap space. Still not sure this is the best idea.  

C's would actually have cap space above 20 million if they renounced all their free agents.  And there are plenty of solid free agents available this summer that would come here, David Lee, Joe Johnson, (could re-sign Josh Howard), etc.  A lot of teams are going to waste time and effort on the bigger names, if you focus on some of the lesser names from the get go, you will have a much more likely chance of signing solid free agents.


Offer Joe Johnson a max deal (starting around 13 million) and David Lee a contract starting around 9 million and you have a very nice young team when you add those guys to Rondo, Perk, Hinrich, West, Davis, and Hickson.

[Bankshot]

Be careful what you wish for.  The rules of this league dictate that when you suck, it takes a lot of time - and quite a bit of luck - to once again become a contender.

Blowing it completely up is not the answer.  There's still enough talent here that one decent move could straighten this out.  Hopefully it involves getting that fat, lazy slug Rasheed out of Boston and someone with a little passion who will get some rebounds and give a consistent nightly effort in his place.

Yeah, I'm beginning to think too that Rasheed's attitude has affected the whole team. Not sure how that's possible, but that's what it looks like.

[BballTim]

I agree with Brickowski. I sprained my foot this one time and I've never been the same. I'm talking constant limping, absolutely no use of foot. It was really hurting my game until I chopped it off. Now I have my quickness back, but I suck at shuffling.

  Bummer for you. We'll have to trade you to a Suns blog for Barbosa_is_better.

[Gemini]

I think that right now Richardson is better than the hobbling Pierce, and there is no assurance that Pierce will ever regain his quickness.  Richardson certainly outplayed Pierce when we played the Suns. And Barbosa is a good player.

barbosa is hurt, and likely won't play again this season.

Also there have been rumblings that he may be close to calling it a career.

??  is the injury really that severe?  he's not that old

HE's 28, which isn't to old, but the rumors over the summer are he wants to be done by his early thirties, so that his body isn't as torn up as some of the slashing guards who play till their mid 30's.

It's just a rumor, but still, I don't really value him highly.

He is actually 27 just entering the prime of his career. I highly doubt he is thinking about hanging them up.

[Brickowski]

Everyone has reasons for maintaining the status quo: this deal is unacceptable, that player is no good or hurt, etc.

Well, the status quo is unacceptable and no good.  This is a bad team, and I dispute Rivers' statement that they were playing good basketball earlier in the year.  They weren't.  Even when they were 23-5, they were playing sporadically and except for the very first game of the year and that Christmas game in Orlando, the wins were against bad teams.  The good teams had no trouble with the Celtics The Suns, for example, came to Boston and whomped them.

[Birdbrain]

C's should just blow it all up by making the following trades

Garnett and Sheed FOR Illgauskus, Hickson, West, Powe, and CLE 1st

&

Ray Allen FOR Hinrich, Thomas, and Richard (filler)

&

Pierce FOR Josh Howard, Drew Gooden, and Tim Thomas (filler)


C's could then either be players in free agency (only hinrich, perkins, west, rondo, hickson, davis, and the two firsts are on the books for about 30 million) or re-sign the new players like Howard and Thomas. 

I just think the C's are done (even healthy no way the C's beat both the Magic and Cavs (or even Hawks)) and I'm not sure there would be better trade out there for these guys (maybe Pierce, but he can opt out and i'm not sure there is a huge market of valuable players for an older player that can opt out).  Sadly, it is time to start over.

Other than the Ray Allen trade are most of the guys FAs after the year because they are either hurt or suck? 

[Birdbrain]

Everyone has reasons for maintaining the status quo: this deal is unacceptable, that player is no good or hurt, etc.

Well, the status quo is unacceptable and no good.  This is a bad team, and I dispute Rivers' statement that they were playing good basketball earlier in the year.  They weren't.  Even when they were 23-5, they were playing sporadically and except for the very first game of the year and that Christmas game in Orlando, the wins were against bad teams.  The good teams had no trouble with the Celtics The Suns, for example, came to Boston and whomped them.

Thank you did you have point?  FYI man landed on moon.  Come up with a deal that actually makes sense for players that aren't garbage or hurt and I think most people would be for it.  I just read in another thread that you think that Boston isn't getting enough for Perkins/Ray from Philly...

[crownsy]

Be careful what you wish for.  The rules of this league dictate that when you suck, it takes a lot of time - and quite a bit of luck - to once again become a contender.

Blowing it completely up is not the answer.  There's still enough talent here that one decent move could straighten this out.  Hopefully it involves getting that fat, lazy slug Rasheed out of Boston and someone with a little passion who will get some rebounds and give a consistent nightly effort in his place.

Yeah, I'm beginning to think too that Rasheed's attitude has affected the whole team. Not sure how that's possible, but that's what it looks like.

I dunno, i remember a distinct lack of effort for 48 minutes at times last year too.

It's defiantly more prevalent this year, but im not sure we can lay that primarily at sheed's doorstep.

[Brickowski]

Everyone has reasons for maintaining the status quo: this deal is unacceptable, that player is no good or hurt, etc.

Well, the status quo is unacceptable and no good.  This is a bad team, and I dispute Rivers' statement that they were playing good basketball earlier in the year.  They weren't.  Even when they were 23-5, they were playing sporadically and except for the very first game of the year and that Christmas game in Orlando, the wins were against bad teams.  The good teams had no trouble with the Celtics The Suns, for example, came to Boston and whomped them.

Thank you did you have point?  FYI man landed on moon.  Come up with a deal that actually makes sense for players that aren't garbage or hurt and I think most people would be for it.  I just read in another thread that you think that Boston isn't getting enough for Perkins/Ray from Philly...

The deals that "actually make sense" to people on this forum tend to be deals that other teams would never, ever do.

As for the Philly deal, just remember that with Iguodala and Dalembert the Celtics are taking on a huge financial commitment that will clog their cap for years to come. That's why I would insist on another cheap young prospect, along with the fact that Dalembert isn't very good and is grossly overpaid.

[moiso]

Be careful what you wish for.  The rules of this league dictate that when you suck, it takes a lot of time - and quite a bit of luck - to once again become a contender.

Blowing it completely up is not the answer.  There's still enough talent here that one decent move could straighten this out.  Hopefully it involves getting that fat, lazy slug Rasheed out of Boston and someone with a little passion who will get some rebounds and give a consistent nightly effort in his place.

Yeah, I'm beginning to think too that Rasheed's attitude has affected the whole team. Not sure how that's possible, but that's what it looks like.

I dunno, i remember a distinct lack of effort for 48 minutes at times last year too.

It's defiantly more prevalent this year, but im not sure we can lay that primarily at sheed's doorstep.

We can't put it all on Sheed, but he's a part of the problem.
I can't imagine blowing up this team just for expiring contracts.  But the difficult thing is that apparently we are going to need a new franchise player very soon.  All the Iggy's and Martins and Pierce's and Ray Allens and Dalemberts in the world arent going to compete for a title without a dominant big man like KG used to be.

[Birdbrain]

Everyone has reasons for maintaining the status quo: this deal is unacceptable, that player is no good or hurt, etc.

Well, the status quo is unacceptable and no good.  This is a bad team, and I dispute Rivers' statement that they were playing good basketball earlier in the year.  They weren't.  Even when they were 23-5, they were playing sporadically and except for the very first game of the year and that Christmas game in Orlando, the wins were against bad teams.  The good teams had no trouble with the Celtics The Suns, for example, came to Boston and whomped them.

Thank you did you have point?  FYI man landed on moon.  Come up with a deal that actually makes sense for players that aren't garbage or hurt and I think most people would be for it.  I just read in another thread that you think that Boston isn't getting enough for Perkins/Ray from Philly...

The deals that "actually make sense" to people on this forum tend to be deals that other teams would never, ever do.

As for the Philly deal, just remember that with Iguodala and Dalembert the Celtics are taking on a huge financial commitment that will clog their cap for years to come. That's why I would insist on another cheap young prospect, along with the fact that Dalembert isn't very good and is grossly overpaid.

You got to pay to play.  That move would allow for the C's to have a good chance of winning it this year.  I want guys that can finish on the break with Rondo. And Dalembert while overpaid is young long big.  

[Jon Niednagel]

If the "window"is over, you trade Paul for an expiring and an asset. Let Ray expire and then go for it with the FA sweepstakes.
For example, get T-Mac and Ariza for PP, Sheed, and baby this year. This summer, pick up Joe Johnson, use bird rights on Ray Allen, Tony Allen, House, and T-Mac, use the mid-level and draft picks on bigs, and finish it off with vet minimum guys. I know the thought of trading the captain is sickening, but if the gamble pays off you reload fast while remaining fiscally sound.

Rondo, House, vet minimum
JJ, Ray, Tony
Ariza, T-Mac, Walker
KG, pick,
Perk, midlevel (Camby?), pick

[Brickowski]

Well, if you want guys who fill lanes, you have to start by benching Pierce until he can run again.

As for Joe Johnson, you can't pick him up unless you are under the cap or if you have assets that Atlanta wants in a sign and trade.  We do have an asset they would want: Rondo.  Are you willing to give him up for Joe Johnson?