If PP is done for the year, trade KG and Sheed for expiring contracts

[Hila]

I can't believe this topic: are you really hoping Garnett can win with another team?

I have no words...

If there's no hope for the Celtics (and there isn't if Pierce is out for the rest of the year), then I'm absolutely hoping KG can help put another team over the top.

Why?

Because that other team won't be the Lakers!

If I can't have the C's win, I at least want to see the Lakers lose. I'm petty that way.

[celtsfan84]

Celtics trade: Kevin Garnett, Marquis Daniels, Bill Walker
Mavericks trade: Josh Howard, James Singleton, Quinton Ross, Tim Thomas

This trade works in the ESPN NBA Trade Machine. Mavs use trade exceptions for both Daniels and Walker.

Celtics clear almost 20 million worth of cap space.  Along with letting Ray Allen leave at the end of the season, we become a player in free agency.

Rondo / House
Joe Johnson / Tony Allen
Pierce / Scalabrine
Wallace / Davis
Perkins / Williams

This is one possible future lineup with the cap space we would gain and one that is a few tweaks away from being a contender.  I love the Big 3 but it seems like their run is meeting its end.

Mavericks gain a future Hall of Famer, a floor spreading big man, and one of the great pick and roll defenders ever.  He is not what he once was, but let's be clear that he didn't turn into Mark Blount overnight.  He has lost some mobility but is still quite a player on nights where he has been well rested.  Dallas has the guns to afford to rest him.  Also, Marquis would replace alot of what Howard brings to the table for them.

Kidd / Barea
Terry / Beaubois
Marion / Daniels
Nowitzki / Gooden
Garnett / Dampier

I think this lineup can still hang with most bigs out west.  Add in any potential buyout candidates and this team becomes a contender.  They also keep their most valuable asset (Dampier's contract), replace Howard's production, and lose nothing of real value.  Heck, we can even buyout Quinton Ross and send him back.

[Jack_Frost]

I can't believe this topic: are you really hoping Garnett can win with another team?

I have no words...

If there's no hope for the Celtics (and there isn't if Pierce is out for the rest of the year), then I'm absolutely hoping KG can help put another team over the top.

Why?

Because that other team won't be the Lakers!

If I can't have the C's win, I at least want to see the Lakers lose. I'm petty that way.

Don't you think you are going too quick?
I've waited 22 year for a player like KG and i want him here right now (unless someone want him for wade, lebron etc...). He's a warrior, the reason why this team won a title after more than two decades and he can leave only for D-Wade or a player like him, not for a bunch of garbage

[rondohondo]

I can't believe this topic: are you really hoping Garnett can win with another team?

I have no words...

If there's no hope for the Celtics (and there isn't if Pierce is out for the rest of the year), then I'm absolutely hoping KG can help put another team over the top.

Why?

Because that other team won't be the Lakers!

If I can't have the C's win, I at least want to see the Lakers lose. I'm petty that way.

Don't you think you are going too quick?
I've waited 22 year for a player like KG and i want him here right now (unless someone want him for wade, lebron etc...). He's a warrior, the reason why this team won a title after more than two decades and he can leave only for D-Wade or a player like him, not for a bunch of garbage

the guy will be 34 next year he is not going to help us win a championship after this season. This is our last year as contenders. Why not free up a ton of cap space if you know Paul is gone for the year ?

[paintitgreen]

I can't believe this topic: are you really hoping Garnett can win with another team?

I have no words...

If there's no hope for the Celtics (and there isn't if Pierce is out for the rest of the year), then I'm absolutely hoping KG can help put another team over the top.

Why?

Because that other team won't be the Lakers!

If I can't have the C's win, I at least want to see the Lakers lose. I'm petty that way.

I think of it this way: if we don't have a chance this year (and if Pierce is out I think we're done), and I think we're getting worse before we get back to title contention. So in that case, I couldn't care less who wins this year and would make whatever deal makes this team better for the future.

For the record, I don't think the specific proposals - Delonte and expirings, Josh Howard (just expiring) - really make us any better for the long term so I'd probably just do nothing.  

I would consider either proposal if they took on Rasheed too. (there's your guy who can defend Bynum and anybody else perceived to be a center in the West.)

[Jack_Frost]

I can't believe this topic: are you really hoping Garnett can win with another team?

I have no words...

If there's no hope for the Celtics (and there isn't if Pierce is out for the rest of the year), then I'm absolutely hoping KG can help put another team over the top.

Why?

Because that other team won't be the Lakers!

If I can't have the C's win, I at least want to see the Lakers lose. I'm petty that way.

Don't you think you are going too quick?
I've waited 22 year for a player like KG and i want him here right now (unless someone want him for wade, lebron etc...). He's a warrior, the reason why this team won a title after more than two decades and he can leave only for D-Wade or a player like him, not for a bunch of garbage

the guy will be 34 next year he is not going to help us win a championship after this season. This is our last year as contenders. Why not free up a ton of cap space if you know Paul is gone for the year ?

I'm not questioning your idea, could be interesting, but trade Garnett because of Lakers is quite different. Anyway I think Garnett still a solid player and a great defender: after last injury he is improving game after game. I still believe in KG.

[PosImpos]

Trading KG to a team this year that only needs one more piece to be put over the top is the only way we're going to move his gargantuan contract before he's in the last year of it.

If Pierce is out for the season (and that's not as likely as some people seem to be assuming), then there's no chance of us winning the title this season, and probably very little chance of us winning it in future years with this lineup.  We looked like a longshot this year, even when most of our team was healthy.  The Big 3 are only getting older, so it's safe to say that our title chances for the next two years will be very low, and it's probable that one of the Big 3 is going to have a major injury each year from now on, as that seems to be the trend.

If that is truly the case, we'd be best served by getting into rebuilding mode as quickly as possible.  If we can move Garnett for young talent and / or expiring pieces in the face of such a situation, we'd have to take that opportunity, I think. 

Rondo and Pierce are the only players on the team who are untouchable in my opinion.  Everybody else can be moved if necessary in order to give us the ability to rebuild as quickly as possible.  Again, that's only if this injury really means that our chances for this year are non-existent.

[ssspence]

i've read some ridiculous and disappointing threads on this blog before, but this tops them all -- shameless.

[gpap]

The premise of this thread is ridiculous. We are going to trade our star player for a couple of scurbs from Dallas?!! Please!! 

[gpap]

I can't believe this topic: are you really hoping Garnett can win with another team?

I have no words...

If there's no hope for the Celtics (and there isn't if Pierce is out for the rest of the year), then I'm absolutely hoping KG can help put another team over the top.

Why?

Because that other team won't be the Lakers!

If I can't have the C's win, I at least want to see the Lakers lose. I'm petty that way.

Yeah..petty is right. All of a sudden the sky is falling because of Pierce's uncertain foot injury. Wow, how quickly everyone's "loyalty" falters. Come on people, let's be fighters and fans here, not a bunch of weaklings.

Sorry but this KG to Mavericks thread for Dampier and Howard has really gotten to me.

[rondohondo]

I can't believe this topic: are you really hoping Garnett can win with another team?

I have no words...

If there's no hope for the Celtics (and there isn't if Pierce is out for the rest of the year), then I'm absolutely hoping KG can help put another team over the top.

Why?

Because that other team won't be the Lakers!

If I can't have the C's win, I at least want to see the Lakers lose. I'm petty that way.

Yeah..petty is right. All of a sudden the sky is falling because of Pierce's uncertain foot injury. Wow, how quickly everyone's "loyalty" falters. Come on people, let's be fighters and fans here, not a bunch of weaklings.

Sorry but this KG to Mavericks thread for Dampier and Howard has really gotten to me.

So you think we can win a ring without PP? Listen I would rather PP be fine and us win it all, I was just saying if he is done for the year then so is our chances at # 18. Let's be realistic

I am hoping and praying he is fine by the way

[celtsfan84]

I don't think everyone gets it.  People aren't suggesting we trade KG for Z and Delonte or Josh Howard or Dampier and expirings because we are "weaklings" or love Delonte and Dampier.

You wouldn't like a shot at a max player? Are D-Wade, Joe Johnson, Rudy Gay, Bosh, etc... weaklings?  We can't get any of them if we keep KG.  KG is 34 and has bad wheels.

We kept Bird and his back and McHale and his foot for too long.  It then took us 20 miserable years to be legit contenders again.  Do you really want to wait another 20 years?

[celtsfan84]

And regarding loyalty, my loyalty is to the green, not to KG.  I want the Celtics to be great next year and every year after that. KG will eventually retire, you know.

[Hila]

I can't believe this topic: are you really hoping Garnett can win with another team?

I have no words...

If there's no hope for the Celtics (and there isn't if Pierce is out for the rest of the year), then I'm absolutely hoping KG can help put another team over the top.

Why?

Because that other team won't be the Lakers!

If I can't have the C's win, I at least want to see the Lakers lose. I'm petty that way.

Yeah..petty is right. All of a sudden the sky is falling because of Pierce's uncertain foot injury. Wow, how quickly everyone's "loyalty" falters. Come on people, let's be fighters and fans here, not a bunch of weaklings.

Sorry but this KG to Mavericks thread for Dampier and Howard has really gotten to me.

I said if. IF PP's (uncertain) injury WERE to knock him out for the rest of the season, then, yes I believe that under those particular circumstances the Celtics as they are currently assembled can't win a title. The "window" for the new three was three years and this is number three.

Sometimes the strong thing to do is admit that it's time to rebuild. The best thing for the Celtics in that case is to lose the heavy contracts tied to 30-somethings who won't be around in a few years and put themselves in a position to sign young talent and win the future.

My pettiness is in the way I hate on the Lakers and would like to see KG (or Ray) improve any other team IF they can't win here.

Suggesting that a season-ending injury to Paul also ends the chance at another new-three title isn't petty or disloyal. It's realistic.

Disloyal would be if I rooted for another team to beat the Celtics or rooted for a trade that didn't help the Celtics in the long run or refused to stick by the Celtics during the rebuild. I didn't do any of that. I just hated on the Lakers a little.

[Bahku]

Paul done for the year? Who said Paul was done for the year?!?Trade KG? What in the name of heaven is going on at CelticsBlog?!? Are people getting some catastrophic inside information that I am missing? I mean, I've seen plenty of gloom-and-doom threads here before at times when the team has been struggling, but this is some extremely strong Kool-Aid that's being consumed now, and the results are going off the deep end. Please, people, I implore you ... take a deep breath and consider what the results would be of ripping the heart and soul out of Ubuntu, this franchise, and one of the top teams in the NBA, and tossing it away for the sake of mid-season panic restructuring. The trade threads here are nearing the point of hysteria, and we've got to understand just how blessed we are to have the team we do now, and that most other teams in the NBA would LOVE to trade win/loss records with us. I love what you contribute here, RondoH, but I've got to take exception to this one in a big way. Wow.