The Celts made a run at Hinrich?

[Fafnir]

I'd say Hinrich is a better fit than Salmons, though Salmons has a much more palatable contract.

[PLamb]

Lots of guys on those Bulls teams that I love Hinrich, Noah, Rose, Deng, Thomas and Gibson

If we can become trade partners and pick up any one or more than one of these guys, I'm all for it

[Fan from VT]

maybe i'm in the minority, but i'm not at all enamored with chris bosh...  i believe whoever signs him (and it will cost a lot of money with quite a few years) will live to regret it.

No, I agree. However, with the major caveat that if he's your SECOND banana and not your franchise guy, you're in great shape. In other words if you're hoping to rebuild and he's your centerpiece, I don't see much legit championship success. As I've said many times, if he were actually all that, wouldn't Toronto be better than they are? Give Bargnani, Turkoglu, Calderon, Jack, etc. to Lebron or Wade, and they'd be waaaay better than Toronto this year.

However, if you have room for 2 max guys and get Wade or Lebron first, and Bosh second, you're in pretty good shape.

[wdleehi]

Still like this trade idea



Boston trades Ray and 1st

    Receives Butler and Hinrich


Chi trades Hinrich, Salmons and James
 
     Receives Ray, Stevenson and 1st

DC trades Butler and Stevenson
     
     Salmons and James.

Boston gets two good players, Chicago gets one(expiring), and Washington gets none.  Is Salmons expiring?

Chicago gets two expirering contracts.


DC gets one expiering contract (6 million) Salmons (two year around 6 million) and save a little money this year.

[BballTim]

In an article about the CBA, Ian Thomsen reports the following:

While some teams will stay away from making long-term player investments in these uncertain times, other owners will try to exploit it. "There are still two titles to be won [before 2011-12], and certain teams will throw caution to the wind to win them," a team executive said. "If you're the Celtics, are you going to worry about your future? What you're probably going to focus on is the here and now."

That's why the Celtics made a run last month at acquiring Kirk Hinrich, who has three years (including this season) and $26.5 million left on his contract, an outlandish amount for someone who would be Boston's third guard. But he would have resolved all of Boston's backcourt issues while extending its defense, and so the Celtics considered offering spare parts for Hinrich before the Bulls decided they needed a high-quality player or draft pick in the exchange.

Link

What, Scal isn't a high-quality player?  I'm not sure what "considered offering" means, but if Wyc is going to spend the money to maximize this team's chances at a title this year, that's only a good thing.

There are lots of other interesting things in that article, too, including the strong possibility of a hard cap with the new CBA.

  Whether we get Heinrich or not, he is overpaid. Does any one see them getting a high quality player or good draft pick for him? Chicago always overvalues their players. They've (supposedly) backed out of top level trades (KG springs to mind, but I know there were others) because they were unwilling to part with some of their pieces. I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up not doing anything.

[wdleehi]

In an article about the CBA, Ian Thomsen reports the following:

While some teams will stay away from making long-term player investments in these uncertain times, other owners will try to exploit it. "There are still two titles to be won [before 2011-12], and certain teams will throw caution to the wind to win them," a team executive said. "If you're the Celtics, are you going to worry about your future? What you're probably going to focus on is the here and now."

That's why the Celtics made a run last month at acquiring Kirk Hinrich, who has three years (including this season) and $26.5 million left on his contract, an outlandish amount for someone who would be Boston's third guard. But he would have resolved all of Boston's backcourt issues while extending its defense, and so the Celtics considered offering spare parts for Hinrich before the Bulls decided they needed a high-quality player or draft pick in the exchange.

Link

What, Scal isn't a high-quality player?  I'm not sure what "considered offering" means, but if Wyc is going to spend the money to maximize this team's chances at a title this year, that's only a good thing.

There are lots of other interesting things in that article, too, including the strong possibility of a hard cap with the new CBA.

  Whether we get Heinrich or not, he is overpaid. Does any one see them getting a high quality player or good draft pick for him? Chicago always overvalues their players. They've (supposedly) backed out of top level trades (KG springs to mind, but I know there were others) because they were unwilling to part with some of their pieces. I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up not doing anything.

Oh yes, I agree with that.  Chicago's biggest weakness has been the fear of the GM to pull the trigger.

[moiso]

Totally agree about Chicago.  This team has had major assets for several years and they sit there and watch other teams get KG, Pau, etc.  They probably could have Amare or Boozer now too.  They havn't really had a good offensive big man since Brand.  And they let Gordon go for nothing.  They draft well, but are horrible when it comes to pulling the trigger.

[Fafnir]

Totally agree about Chicago.  This team has had major assets for several years and they sit there and watch other teams get KG, Pau, etc.  They probably could have Amare or Boozer now too.  They havn't really had a good offensive big man since Brand.  And they let Gordon go for nothing.  They draft well, but are horrible when it comes to pulling the trigger.

Letting Gordon walk was the smart move. The worst thing you can do is overpay a guy who'd be the third/fourth best player on a title team.

[winsomme]

In an article about the CBA, Ian Thomsen reports the following:

While some teams will stay away from making long-term player investments in these uncertain times, other owners will try to exploit it. "There are still two titles to be won [before 2011-12], and certain teams will throw caution to the wind to win them," a team executive said. "If you're the Celtics, are you going to worry about your future? What you're probably going to focus on is the here and now."

That's why the Celtics made a run last month at acquiring Kirk Hinrich, who has three years (including this season) and $26.5 million left on his contract, an outlandish amount for someone who would be Boston's third guard. But he would have resolved all of Boston's backcourt issues while extending its defense, and so the Celtics considered offering spare parts for Hinrich before the Bulls decided they needed a high-quality player or draft pick in the exchange.

Link

What, Scal isn't a high-quality player?  I'm not sure what "considered offering" means, but if Wyc is going to spend the money to maximize this team's chances at a title this year, that's only a good thing.

There are lots of other interesting things in that article, too, including the strong possibility of a hard cap with the new CBA.

  Whether we get Heinrich or not, he is overpaid. Does any one see them getting a high quality player or good draft pick for him? Chicago always overvalues their players. They've (supposedly) backed out of top level trades (KG springs to mind, but I know there were others) because they were unwilling to part with some of their pieces. I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up not doing anything.

given what we have in terms of chips, overpaid players are the exact players we need to be going after....

the good thing from my perspective is that the Cs seem willing to go there...

[Chris]

I don't buy it for a second.  Hinrich simply does not make fiscal sense for the C's.  I think this is one of those "made up" rumors Danny was talking about one WEEI last week.

[winsomme]

I don't buy it for a second.  Hinrich simply does not make fiscal sense for the C's.  I think this is one of those "made up" rumors Danny was talking about one WEEI last week.

fiscal sense? how so?  IMO his contract is the exact type of contract that we need to be looking at...players who are good but teams are trying to move so they can get in on the upcoming FA class.

Since there is no way for us to get in on this FA class and we are making a run at a Title this season, we need to be taking advantage of teams trying to unload players (salary) as the trade deadline approaches.

[BballTim]

In an article about the CBA, Ian Thomsen reports the following:

While some teams will stay away from making long-term player investments in these uncertain times, other owners will try to exploit it. "There are still two titles to be won [before 2011-12], and certain teams will throw caution to the wind to win them," a team executive said. "If you're the Celtics, are you going to worry about your future? What you're probably going to focus on is the here and now."

That's why the Celtics made a run last month at acquiring Kirk Hinrich, who has three years (including this season) and $26.5 million left on his contract, an outlandish amount for someone who would be Boston's third guard. But he would have resolved all of Boston's backcourt issues while extending its defense, and so the Celtics considered offering spare parts for Hinrich before the Bulls decided they needed a high-quality player or draft pick in the exchange.

Link

What, Scal isn't a high-quality player?  I'm not sure what "considered offering" means, but if Wyc is going to spend the money to maximize this team's chances at a title this year, that's only a good thing.

There are lots of other interesting things in that article, too, including the strong possibility of a hard cap with the new CBA.

  Whether we get Heinrich or not, he is overpaid. Does any one see them getting a high quality player or good draft pick for him? Chicago always overvalues their players. They've (supposedly) backed out of top level trades (KG springs to mind, but I know there were others) because they were unwilling to part with some of their pieces. I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up not doing anything.

given what we have in terms of chips, overpaid players are the exact players we need to be going after....

the good thing from my perspective is that the Cs seem willing to go there...

  That's one way to go. It depends on if they think we're toast after this season. Trading for a bad contract like Hinrich's will definitely impact Danny's moves over the next few years when he's either trying to keep this group going or possibly reload.

[moiso]

Totally agree about Chicago.  This team has had major assets for several years and they sit there and watch other teams get KG, Pau, etc.  They probably could have Amare or Boozer now too.  They havn't really had a good offensive big man since Brand.  And they let Gordon go for nothing.  They draft well, but are horrible when it comes to pulling the trigger.

Letting Gordon walk was the smart move. The worst thing you can do is overpay a guy who'd be the third/fourth best player on a title team.

They could have included him in a package for the big man they are lacking.  Gordon was an asset, now he's gone.

[Chris]

I don't buy it for a second.  Hinrich simply does not make fiscal sense for the C's.  I think this is one of those "made up" rumors Danny was talking about one WEEI last week.

fiscal sense? how so?  IMO his contract is the exact type of contract that we need to be looking at...players who are good but teams are trying to move so they can get in on the upcoming FA class.

Since there is no way for us to get in on this FA class and we are making a run at a Title this season, we need to be taking advantage of teams trying to unload players (salary) as the trade deadline approaches.

You think paying $9 million per year for a backup PG makes fiscal sense for a team already well into the luxury tax?

While Hinrich is a nice player, he does not come close to guaranteeing a championship for this team.  He gives them maybe a 5% higher probability if KG is healthy, but does not make any difference if KG is not healthy.  And he then ties Danny's hands for the next two years, possibly not allowing him to resign other contributors (Ray, House, etc.) and using the full MLE.

I think Danny will make the sacrafice of the flexibility for the right player...Hinrich is not that player (and I am a HUGE Hinrich fan).

[Fafnir]

Totally agree about Chicago.  This team has had major assets for several years and they sit there and watch other teams get KG, Pau, etc.  They probably could have Amare or Boozer now too.  They havn't really had a good offensive big man since Brand.  And they let Gordon go for nothing.  They draft well, but are horrible when it comes to pulling the trigger.

Letting Gordon walk was the smart move. The worst thing you can do is overpay a guy who'd be the third/fourth best player on a title team.

They could have included him in a package for the big man they are lacking.  Gordon was an asset, now he's gone.

How exactly could they have done that? He was an unrestricted FA and no one was making him an offer when he was one. Not to mention he had the right to veto any in season trade.