The Celts made a run at Hinrich?

[greg683x]

If this teams window is closed, it's an awful idea to pickup Hinrich just for the sake of picking him up.  If we pick up Hinrich we're pretty much saying goodbye to Perk when his contracts up, along with any other good young FA that we could throw some money at during this rebuilding period.

picking players up just for the sake of picking them up is what the Knicks do.

[winsomme]

and if Danny thinks KG is done, we are more than two years from getting back at this thing. So Hinrich wouldn't actually be that much of a hinderance.

You don't think Wyc will consider paying a backup PG $18 million a year (including luxury tax) on a team not competing for a championship is a hinderance?  Because I certainly do.  Wyc agreed to pay the luxury tax for championship basketball.  He has made it crystal clear, he is not willing to throw that kind of money at mediocrity.

Well if we went into rebuilding mode after this season (depressing thought, but...) Hinrich could actually become a starter for us for the following two seasons...and would actually be an expiring contract after next season.

This is my biggest concern with the desire for trading for Hinrich.  He is not a SG.  He cannot fill Ray Allen's role.  He is a PG who has the ability to defend SG's, and hit wide open 3's.  Huge difference. 

And Danny knows this.  He is not going to bring in a PG to be the starting SG next year. 

If we are rebuilding, I would have no problem with Hinrich at the SG for a year or two. It's not like he's on a five year contract.

and again....maybe it's another player who fits the same profile (ie a salary dump by a team looking to lose payroll or to get in on the 2010 FA class).

[greg683x]

  He turned down an offer from Chicago that was probably about as big as what he got from Detroit. He clearly had a high asking price.

That doesn't mean he was worth it, or that there was a feasible scenario that the Bulls could have traded him for something valuable.

The Bulls were lucky he turned their offer down two years ago.

  I don't disagree with any of this. I'm just saying that the reason he never got an offer was because his asking price was more than $10M a year.

not to mention you'd have to wonder how much money the Pistons would have offered him if he didnt put on such a show against the Celtics in the first round of the playoffs the previous season.

so many GMs make huge mistakes judging players just based on a couples games, whether it be free agents in the NBA playoffs, or college players that catch fire in the NCAA tournament.

[PLamb]

and if Danny thinks KG is done, we are more than two years from getting back at this thing. So Hinrich wouldn't actually be that much of a hinderance.

You don't think Wyc will consider paying a backup PG $18 million a year (including luxury tax) on a team not competing for a championship is a hinderance?  Because I certainly do.  Wyc agreed to pay the luxury tax for championship basketball.  He has made it crystal clear, he is not willing to throw that kind of money at mediocrity.

Well if we went into rebuilding mode after this season (depressing thought, but...) Hinrich could actually become a starter for us for the following two seasons...and would actually be an expiring contract after next season.

This is my biggest concern with the desire for trading for Hinrich.  He is not a SG.  He cannot fill Ray Allen's role.  He is a PG who has the ability to defend SG's, and hit wide open 3's.  Huge difference. 

And Danny knows this.  He is not going to bring in a PG to be the starting SG next year. 

With all due respect sir, I think you are completely and wholeheartedly wrong in this regard

Hinrich is a better defender of the SG position than Ray
Hinrich is only about an inch shorter than Ray and has a similar wingspan
Although not having a great year because he has been so banged up, Hinrich is a career 38% shooter from 3 point land and has been shooting a TS% in the mid 50's the last few years
He would easily be a much better passer and ball handler from the SG position than Ray
He is currently as good a rebounder as Ray has become

He is a PG but I think he could easily transition himself into as good a starting SG for this team given the starting players he would be playing with as Ray Allen currently is
He might not score as much as Ray but neither will he let up as many points and his versatility would be a huge huge asset and let's not forget who he would be playing 80% of his minutes with, KG, Perk, Pierce and Rondo

I think he could slip in seemlessly with this starting five and be as productive an overall SG for the next 2 1/2 years as Ray will be

[Chris]

and if Danny thinks KG is done, we are more than two years from getting back at this thing. So Hinrich wouldn't actually be that much of a hinderance.

You don't think Wyc will consider paying a backup PG $18 million a year (including luxury tax) on a team not competing for a championship is a hinderance?  Because I certainly do.  Wyc agreed to pay the luxury tax for championship basketball.  He has made it crystal clear, he is not willing to throw that kind of money at mediocrity.

Well if we went into rebuilding mode after this season (depressing thought, but...) Hinrich could actually become a starter for us for the following two seasons...and would actually be an expiring contract after next season.

This is my biggest concern with the desire for trading for Hinrich.  He is not a SG.  He cannot fill Ray Allen's role.  He is a PG who has the ability to defend SG's, and hit wide open 3's.  Huge difference. 

And Danny knows this.  He is not going to bring in a PG to be the starting SG next year. 

With all due respect sir, I think you are completely and wholeheartedly wrong in this regard

Hinrich is a better defender of the SG position than Ray
Hinrich is only about an inch shorter than Ray and has a similar wingspan
Although not having a great year because he has been so banged up, Hinrich is a career 38% shooter from 3 point land and has been shooting a TS% in the mid 50's the last few years
He would easily be a much better passer and ball handler from the SG position than Ray
He is currently as good a rebounder as Ray has become

He is a PG but I think he could easily transition himself into as good a starting SG for this team given the starting players he would be playing with as Ray Allen currently is
He might not score as much as Ray but neither will he let up as many points and his versatility would be a huge huge asset and let's not forget who he would be playing 80% of his minutes with, KG, Perk, Pierce and Rondo

I think he could slip in seemlessly with this starting five and be as productive an overall SG for the next 2 1/2 years as Ray will be

Personally, I think Hinrich's worst stretches of basketball in his career have all coincided with when he has been asked to do more than be a roleplaying PG who runs the offense, distributes the ball, and hits the open shot when the ball finds its way back to him. 

But again, its all about money, and if Danny is letting Ray walk next year, he will likely prefer to have someone either better, or cheaper to replace him.  Hinrich is neither. 

[PLamb]

and if Danny thinks KG is done, we are more than two years from getting back at this thing. So Hinrich wouldn't actually be that much of a hinderance.

You don't think Wyc will consider paying a backup PG $18 million a year (including luxury tax) on a team not competing for a championship is a hinderance?  Because I certainly do.  Wyc agreed to pay the luxury tax for championship basketball.  He has made it crystal clear, he is not willing to throw that kind of money at mediocrity.

Well if we went into rebuilding mode after this season (depressing thought, but...) Hinrich could actually become a starter for us for the following two seasons...and would actually be an expiring contract after next season.

This is my biggest concern with the desire for trading for Hinrich.  He is not a SG.  He cannot fill Ray Allen's role.  He is a PG who has the ability to defend SG's, and hit wide open 3's.  Huge difference. 

And Danny knows this.  He is not going to bring in a PG to be the starting SG next year. 

With all due respect sir, I think you are completely and wholeheartedly wrong in this regard

Hinrich is a better defender of the SG position than Ray
Hinrich is only about an inch shorter than Ray and has a similar wingspan
Although not having a great year because he has been so banged up, Hinrich is a career 38% shooter from 3 point land and has been shooting a TS% in the mid 50's the last few years
He would easily be a much better passer and ball handler from the SG position than Ray
He is currently as good a rebounder as Ray has become

He is a PG but I think he could easily transition himself into as good a starting SG for this team given the starting players he would be playing with as Ray Allen currently is
He might not score as much as Ray but neither will he let up as many points and his versatility would be a huge huge asset and let's not forget who he would be playing 80% of his minutes with, KG, Perk, Pierce and Rondo

I think he could slip in seemlessly with this starting five and be as productive an overall SG for the next 2 1/2 years as Ray will be

Personally, I think Hinrich's worst stretches of basketball in his career have all coincided with when he has been asked to do more than be a roleplaying PG who runs the offense, distributes the ball, and hits the open shot when the ball finds its way back to him. 

But again, its all about money, and if Danny is letting Ray walk next year, he will likely prefer to have someone either better, or cheaper to replace him.  Hinrich is neither. 

Cheaper than what

I have seen proposed numbers floating around for Ray for the next two years that are between $15-$20 million

Hinrich makes $17 million over the next two years

Ray is still owed close to half of this years's salary or about $9 million

Hinrich is only owed about $4.75 million for the rest of the year

That's cheaper

And where Hinrich is only 29 years old I think it more reasonable to think that by starting with the Celtics he is more likely to post his career averages over the next two years than it is to think that by resigning Ray he is likely at 35 years old next year to be even returning to the numbers he is posting this year

Also, is there any question who would be expected to play much much better defense at that position at for the next two years

I think Hinrich fits your description perfectly, though reasonable people can agree to disagree about such things

[BballTim]

and if Danny thinks KG is done, we are more than two years from getting back at this thing. So Hinrich wouldn't actually be that much of a hinderance.

You don't think Wyc will consider paying a backup PG $18 million a year (including luxury tax) on a team not competing for a championship is a hinderance?  Because I certainly do.  Wyc agreed to pay the luxury tax for championship basketball.  He has made it crystal clear, he is not willing to throw that kind of money at mediocrity.

Well if we went into rebuilding mode after this season (depressing thought, but...) Hinrich could actually become a starter for us for the following two seasons...and would actually be an expiring contract after next season.

This is my biggest concern with the desire for trading for Hinrich.  He is not a SG.  He cannot fill Ray Allen's role.  He is a PG who has the ability to defend SG's, and hit wide open 3's.  Huge difference. 

And Danny knows this.  He is not going to bring in a PG to be the starting SG next year. 

With all due respect sir, I think you are completely and wholeheartedly wrong in this regard

Hinrich is a better defender of the SG position than Ray
Hinrich is only about an inch shorter than Ray and has a similar wingspan
Although not having a great year because he has been so banged up, Hinrich is a career 38% shooter from 3 point land and has been shooting a TS% in the mid 50's the last few years
He would easily be a much better passer and ball handler from the SG position than Ray
He is currently as good a rebounder as Ray has become

He is a PG but I think he could easily transition himself into as good a starting SG for this team given the starting players he would be playing with as Ray Allen currently is
He might not score as much as Ray but neither will he let up as many points and his versatility would be a huge huge asset and let's not forget who he would be playing 80% of his minutes with, KG, Perk, Pierce and Rondo

I think he could slip in seemlessly with this starting five and be as productive an overall SG for the next 2 1/2 years as Ray will be

Personally, I think Hinrich's worst stretches of basketball in his career have all coincided with when he has been asked to do more than be a roleplaying PG who runs the offense, distributes the ball, and hits the open shot when the ball finds its way back to him. 

But again, its all about money, and if Danny is letting Ray walk next year, he will likely prefer to have someone either better, or cheaper to replace him.  Hinrich is neither. 

Cheaper than what

I have seen proposed numbers floating around for Ray for the next two years that are between $15-$20 million

Hinrich makes $17 million over the next two years

Ray is still owed close to half of this years's salary or about $9 million

Hinrich is only owed about $4.75 million for the rest of the year

That's cheaper

And where Hinrich is only 29 years old I think it more reasonable to think that by starting with the Celtics he is more likely to post his career averages over the next two years than it is to think that by resigning Ray he is likely at 35 years old next year to be even returning to the numbers he is posting this year

Also, is there any question who would be expected to play much much better defense at that position at for the next two years

I think Hinrich fits your description perfectly, though reasonable people can agree to disagree about such things

  Ray's still on the books for this year, right? Hinrich's slightly more expensive, not cheaper, going forward.

[winsomme]

and if Danny thinks KG is done, we are more than two years from getting back at this thing. So Hinrich wouldn't actually be that much of a hinderance.

You don't think Wyc will consider paying a backup PG $18 million a year (including luxury tax) on a team not competing for a championship is a hinderance?  Because I certainly do.  Wyc agreed to pay the luxury tax for championship basketball.  He has made it crystal clear, he is not willing to throw that kind of money at mediocrity.

Well if we went into rebuilding mode after this season (depressing thought, but...) Hinrich could actually become a starter for us for the following two seasons...and would actually be an expiring contract after next season.

This is my biggest concern with the desire for trading for Hinrich.  He is not a SG.  He cannot fill Ray Allen's role.  He is a PG who has the ability to defend SG's, and hit wide open 3's.  Huge difference. 

And Danny knows this.  He is not going to bring in a PG to be the starting SG next year. 

With all due respect sir, I think you are completely and wholeheartedly wrong in this regard

Hinrich is a better defender of the SG position than Ray
Hinrich is only about an inch shorter than Ray and has a similar wingspan
Although not having a great year because he has been so banged up, Hinrich is a career 38% shooter from 3 point land and has been shooting a TS% in the mid 50's the last few years
He would easily be a much better passer and ball handler from the SG position than Ray
He is currently as good a rebounder as Ray has become

He is a PG but I think he could easily transition himself into as good a starting SG for this team given the starting players he would be playing with as Ray Allen currently is
He might not score as much as Ray but neither will he let up as many points and his versatility would be a huge huge asset and let's not forget who he would be playing 80% of his minutes with, KG, Perk, Pierce and Rondo

I think he could slip in seemlessly with this starting five and be as productive an overall SG for the next 2 1/2 years as Ray will be

Personally, I think Hinrich's worst stretches of basketball in his career have all coincided with when he has been asked to do more than be a roleplaying PG who runs the offense, distributes the ball, and hits the open shot when the ball finds its way back to him. 

But again, its all about money, and if Danny is letting Ray walk next year, he will likely prefer to have someone either better, or cheaper to replace him.  Hinrich is neither. 

Cheaper than what

I have seen proposed numbers floating around for Ray for the next two years that are between $15-$20 million

Hinrich makes $17 million over the next two years

Ray is still owed close to half of this years's salary or about $9 million

Hinrich is only owed about $4.75 million for the rest of the year

That's cheaper

And where Hinrich is only 29 years old I think it more reasonable to think that by starting with the Celtics he is more likely to post his career averages over the next two years than it is to think that by resigning Ray he is likely at 35 years old next year to be even returning to the numbers he is posting this year

Also, is there any question who would be expected to play much much better defense at that position at for the next two years

I think Hinrich fits your description perfectly, though reasonable people can agree to disagree about such things

  Ray's still on the books for this year, right? Hinrich's slightly more expensive, not cheaper, going forward.

Other than being much lower than what he gets now, I don't know that it is entirely clear  how much per year and how many years Ray would want to come back here.

I think overall the point from my perspective is that Hinrich's contract actually isn't bad if we go into rebuilding mode....with the first decision being that we don't re-sign Ray.

but that's not what I am expecting. I'm expecting (hoping) for  two more runs at a Title after this season with a core of Rondo, Paul, Ray, KG, and Perk.

Having a bench of Hinrich, Sheed, and Baby is a great place to be starting from and the salary structure hasn't changed all that much with those being the main pieces. Paul said he would be willing to look at a team friendly contract and Ray would be coming back significantly cheaper than 20 mil per.

[Drucci]

What about this 3 teams trade to make sure Chicago agrees to deal Hinrich :

Boston sends Scal, TA and Walker to chicago. Boston receives Hinrich.

Chicago sends Hinrich to Boston. Chicago receives Scal, TA, Walker from Boston and Dorell Wright from Miami.

Miami sends Dorell Wright to Chicago ; Miami receives JR Giddens from Boston.

Boston gets Hinrich and keeps House by sending expirings.

Chicago gets Hinrich's contract off the books and also a talented young wing who can contribute this year and who helps to free their cap space this summer (expiring contract).

Miami has been known to be eager to deal Wright to make some savings. Pure salary dump move, since they would have 2 million dollars with this trade (differential between JR's contract and Wright's).

Boston can also throw in a 1st round pick if Chicago is still reluctant to trade Hinrich.

Do you think this 3 teams trade could get it done?

[PLamb]

Chris Sheridan speculates that putting Ray Allen on the trading block would make major waves league wide and immediately theorizes that the one team that made sense for a Celtic trade of Ray Allen would be Chicago and Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas

For all the chatter about Amare Stoudemire and Tracy McGrady (with his $22.4 million expiring contract) being the most desirable pieces out there, if Allen goes on the block it could be a game-changer leaguewide.

Would both teams be happy with a trade (and we're merely speculating here) that sent Allen and a minor player (a 3-for-2 would work, because Boston has left a roster spot open since Lester Hudson was claimed off waivers by Memphis) to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and Jerome James? Or for Hinrich and Brad Miller?

Either of those deals would clear $9 million off the Bulls' cap for next summer when they'll be going after a max free agent, and would allow Chicago to remain a viable playoff contender with a shooter who can provide what Hinrich and John Salmons haven't. The Celtics would get another guard who can't quite shoot as well (Hinrich is making only 38 percent of his shots while Allen is at 45 percent) but would gain a far more capable ballhandler and defender.

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Gotta think this type of trade makes so much sense for both teams that it has to happen

[Drucci]

Chris Sheridan speculates that putting Ray Allen on the trading block would make major waves league wide and immediately theorizes that the one team that made sense for a Celtic trade of Ray Allen would be Chicago and Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas

For all the chatter about Amare Stoudemire and Tracy McGrady (with his $22.4 million expiring contract) being the most desirable pieces out there, if Allen goes on the block it could be a game-changer leaguewide.

Would both teams be happy with a trade (and we're merely speculating here) that sent Allen and a minor player (a 3-for-2 would work, because Boston has left a roster spot open since Lester Hudson was claimed off waivers by Memphis) to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and Jerome James? Or for Hinrich and Brad Miller?

Either of those deals would clear $9 million off the Bulls' cap for next summer when they'll be going after a max free agent, and would allow Chicago to remain a viable playoff contender with a shooter who can provide what Hinrich and John Salmons haven't. The Celtics would get another guard who can't quite shoot as well (Hinrich is making only 38 percent of his shots while Allen is at 45 percent) but would gain a far more capable ballhandler and defender.

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Gotta think this type of trade makes so much sense for both teams that it has to happen

This makes no sense. We have no interest of acquiring Hinrich if it costs us Ray. Acquiring Hinrich by shipping Ray would just be a switch situation.

[scoop]

What about this 3 teams trade to make sure Chicago agrees to deal Hinrich :

Boston sends Scal, TA and Walker to chicago. Boston receives Hinrich.

Chicago sends Hinrich to Boston. Chicago receives Scal, TA, Walker from Boston and Dorell Wright from Miami.

Miami sends Dorell Wright to Chicago ; Miami receives JR Giddens from Boston.

Boston gets Hinrich and keeps House by sending expirings.

Chicago gets Hinrich's contract off the books and also a talented young wing who can contribute this year and who helps to free their cap space this summer (expiring contract).

Miami has been known to be eager to deal Wright to make some savings. Pure salary dump move, since they would have 2 million dollars with this trade (differential between JR's contract and Wright's).

Boston can also throw in a 1st round pick if Chicago is still reluctant to trade Hinrich.

Do you think this 3 teams trade could get it done?

No. The reason Miami wants to trade Wright is to get under the luxury tax threshold - for that they need to save $2.8 millions, not $2 millions.

I also doubt Chicago makes a 1 for 4 deal at this point of the season, even though they have 2 roster spots open. They'd need to release another guy.

[PLamb]

Chris Sheridan speculates that putting Ray Allen on the trading block would make major waves league wide and immediately theorizes that the one team that made sense for a Celtic trade of Ray Allen would be Chicago and Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas

For all the chatter about Amare Stoudemire and Tracy McGrady (with his $22.4 million expiring contract) being the most desirable pieces out there, if Allen goes on the block it could be a game-changer leaguewide.

Would both teams be happy with a trade (and we're merely speculating here) that sent Allen and a minor player (a 3-for-2 would work, because Boston has left a roster spot open since Lester Hudson was claimed off waivers by Memphis) to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and Jerome James? Or for Hinrich and Brad Miller?

Either of those deals would clear $9 million off the Bulls' cap for next summer when they'll be going after a max free agent, and would allow Chicago to remain a viable playoff contender with a shooter who can provide what Hinrich and John Salmons haven't. The Celtics would get another guard who can't quite shoot as well (Hinrich is making only 38 percent of his shots while Allen is at 45 percent) but would gain a far more capable ballhandler and defender.

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Gotta think this type of trade makes so much sense for both teams that it has to happen

This makes no sense. We have no interest of acquiring Hinrich if it costs us Ray. Acquiring Hinrich by shipping Ray would just be a switch situation.

If the Bulls would ever do the following it makes great sense but they are so timid when it comes to trades I doubt it happens:

Hinrich, Thomas and Salmons for Allen and Davis

[Drucci]

Chris Sheridan speculates that putting Ray Allen on the trading block would make major waves league wide and immediately theorizes that the one team that made sense for a Celtic trade of Ray Allen would be Chicago and Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas

For all the chatter about Amare Stoudemire and Tracy McGrady (with his $22.4 million expiring contract) being the most desirable pieces out there, if Allen goes on the block it could be a game-changer leaguewide.

Would both teams be happy with a trade (and we're merely speculating here) that sent Allen and a minor player (a 3-for-2 would work, because Boston has left a roster spot open since Lester Hudson was claimed off waivers by Memphis) to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and Jerome James? Or for Hinrich and Brad Miller?

Either of those deals would clear $9 million off the Bulls' cap for next summer when they'll be going after a max free agent, and would allow Chicago to remain a viable playoff contender with a shooter who can provide what Hinrich and John Salmons haven't. The Celtics would get another guard who can't quite shoot as well (Hinrich is making only 38 percent of his shots while Allen is at 45 percent) but would gain a far more capable ballhandler and defender.

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Gotta think this type of trade makes so much sense for both teams that it has to happen

This makes no sense. We have no interest of acquiring Hinrich if it costs us Ray. Acquiring Hinrich by shipping Ray would just be a switch situation.

If the Bulls would ever do the following it makes great sense but they are so timid when it comes to trades I doubt it happens:

Hinrich, Thomas and Salmons for Allen and Davis

It makes sense for the Bulls but not for us.

Hinrich would be a perfect fit for our team as a bench player who can come in, play the point guard and 2 guard spot, defend very well on the opposing star, knock down open shots, create his shot and distribute.

If you put him in Ray Allen's place, we don't improve, actually and you could argue we get worse (Ray is in a slump but Hinrich is not as good as Ray in terms of shooting and thus spacing the floor).

And Tyrus Thomas wouldn't be enough to make me change my mind on this trade.

Our current starting five + a bench of House/Hinrich/Marquis/Baby/Sheed would be awesome. A starting five of Rondo/Hinrich/Pierce/KG/Perk and a bench of House/Marquis/TA/Thomas/Sheed wouldn't be as good (and even worse than our current bench if you ask me : not enough shooters).

Our principal need is to solidify the backcourt, not the froncourt. Hinrich fills that need as a "6th man", but he doesn't if he takes Ray's place as a starter.

[PLamb]

Chris Sheridan speculates that putting Ray Allen on the trading block would make major waves league wide and immediately theorizes that the one team that made sense for a Celtic trade of Ray Allen would be Chicago and Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas

For all the chatter about Amare Stoudemire and Tracy McGrady (with his $22.4 million expiring contract) being the most desirable pieces out there, if Allen goes on the block it could be a game-changer leaguewide.

Would both teams be happy with a trade (and we're merely speculating here) that sent Allen and a minor player (a 3-for-2 would work, because Boston has left a roster spot open since Lester Hudson was claimed off waivers by Memphis) to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and Jerome James? Or for Hinrich and Brad Miller?

Either of those deals would clear $9 million off the Bulls' cap for next summer when they'll be going after a max free agent, and would allow Chicago to remain a viable playoff contender with a shooter who can provide what Hinrich and John Salmons haven't. The Celtics would get another guard who can't quite shoot as well (Hinrich is making only 38 percent of his shots while Allen is at 45 percent) but would gain a far more capable ballhandler and defender.

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Gotta think this type of trade makes so much sense for both teams that it has to happen

This makes no sense. We have no interest of acquiring Hinrich if it costs us Ray. Acquiring Hinrich by shipping Ray would just be a switch situation.

If the Bulls would ever do the following it makes great sense but they are so timid when it comes to trades I doubt it happens:

Hinrich, Thomas and Salmons for Allen and Davis

It makes sense for the Bulls but not for us.

Hinrich would be a perfect fit for our team as a bench player who can come in, play the point guard and 2 guard spot, defend very well on the opposing star, knock down open shots, create his shot and distribute.

If you put him in Ray Allen's place, we don't improve, actually and you could argue we get worse (Ray is in a slump but Hinrich is not as good as Ray in terms of shooting and thus spacing the floor).

And Tyrus Thomas wouldn't be enough to make me change my mind on this trade.

Our current starting five + a bench of House/Hinrich/Marquis/Baby/Sheed would be awesome. A starting five of Rondo/Hinrich/Pierce/KG/Perk and a bench of House/Marquis/TA/Thomas/Sheed wouldn't be as good.

Our principal need is to solidify the backcourt, not the froncourt. Hinrich feels that need as a "6th man", but he doesn't if he takes Ray's place as a starter.

Well I don't agree with that because I think Hinrich would make a great SG with this starting five and the upgrade of Thomas over Davis and Salmons as a back up SF would make a world of difference especially with the way Doc coaches and uses whole bench substitution patterns

But reasonable minds can agree to disagree on things like that