What will Tebow be the NFL equivalent of?

[Eja117]

I want to know when all the Tebow lovers are finally going to concede that the only reason the Broncos are winning, and really it is THE only reason, is because over the last 4 games they have turned themselves into one of the better defensive units in the NFL.

Without holding teams to a below 50% rate in the Red Zone and without the interception return for a TD against New York, they could easily be 1-5 over the last 6 games. Tebow and the offense have only performed well once over the those 6 games.

Honestly, Tebow is a better running and worse passing version of Kordell Stewart. There are almost no QBs in the league I would want less running my team's offense than Tim Tebow because without a very good offensive line, a very good defense and a radically small offensive playbook, there's little chance of ultimately having a winning season.

Kyle Orton had that exact same defense and back then they couldn't buy a win. And two of those losses were against teams that Tebow has beaten since. Tebow has been the difference. The team thinks it can win because of Tebow, not the defense.

If it was all about defenses then the Ravens would never lose and the Pats would never win.

[Eja117]

I saw Tebow's hitch and I liked it

[Eja117]

It seems to me a lot of Patriots fans have forgotten the difference that a confident, quirky, hard working, mobile QB, who doesn't throw interceptions can make.  Remember that?

[Fafnir]

I want to know when all the Tebow lovers are finally going to concede that the only reason the Broncos are winning, and really it is THE only reason, is because over the last 4 games they have turned themselves into one of the better defensive units in the NFL.

Without holding teams to a below 50% rate in the Red Zone and without the interception return for a TD against New York, they could easily be 1-5 over the last 6 games. Tebow and the offense have only performed well once over the those 6 games.

Honestly, Tebow is a better running and worse passing version of Kordell Stewart. There are almost no QBs in the league I would want less running my team's offense than Tim Tebow because without a very good offensive line, a very good defense and a radically small offensive playbook, there's little chance of ultimately having a winning season.

Kyle Orton had that exact same defense and back then they couldn't buy a win. And two of those losses were against teams that Tebow has beaten since. Tebow has been the difference. The team thinks it can win because of Tebow, not the defense.

If it was all about defenses then the Ravens would never lose and the Pats would never win.

It wasn't the exact same defense, at least they weren't playing like it. The defense played awful the first four weeks of the season. They turned it around, a credit to either coaching (or perhaps improving with the new scheme) or Tebow's magical leadership aura.

[KCattheStripe]

It seems to me a lot of Patriots fans have forgotten the difference that a confident, quirky, hard working, mobile QB, who doesn't throw interceptions can make.  Remember that?

[wdleehi]

I want to know when all the Tebow lovers are finally going to concede that the only reason the Broncos are winning, and really it is THE only reason, is because over the last 4 games they have turned themselves into one of the better defensive units in the NFL.

Without holding teams to a below 50% rate in the Red Zone and without the interception return for a TD against New York, they could easily be 1-5 over the last 6 games. Tebow and the offense have only performed well once over the those 6 games.

Honestly, Tebow is a better running and worse passing version of Kordell Stewart. There are almost no QBs in the league I would want less running my team's offense than Tim Tebow because without a very good offensive line, a very good defense and a radically small offensive playbook, there's little chance of ultimately having a winning season.

Kyle Orton had that exact same defense and back then they couldn't buy a win. And two of those losses were against teams that Tebow has beaten since. Tebow has been the difference. The team thinks it can win because of Tebow, not the defense.

If it was all about defenses then the Ravens would never lose and the Pats would never win.

It wasn't the exact same defense, at least they weren't playing like it. The defense played awful the first four weeks of the season. They turned it around, a credit to either coaching (or perhaps improving with the new scheme) or Tebow's magical leadership aura.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/tackles-11week12/some-philadelphia-eagles-fans-turned-andy-reid-do-point

But Denver's defense has really come together in the past six games. According to ESPN's Stats & Information, the Broncos allowed 28.0 points and 385.8 yards per game in the first five games of the season, when Denver started 1-4. Since the bye week, the defense has allowed 20.0 points and 329.8 yards per game.

If the Broncos had that defense the beginning of the year, with the offense they had at the beginning of the season, they likely could have won 2 or 3 more games.


But that's sports.  Parts of teams get better.   

[Eja117]

I want to know when all the Tebow lovers are finally going to concede that the only reason the Broncos are winning, and really it is THE only reason, is because over the last 4 games they have turned themselves into one of the better defensive units in the NFL.

Without holding teams to a below 50% rate in the Red Zone and without the interception return for a TD against New York, they could easily be 1-5 over the last 6 games. Tebow and the offense have only performed well once over the those 6 games.

Honestly, Tebow is a better running and worse passing version of Kordell Stewart. There are almost no QBs in the league I would want less running my team's offense than Tim Tebow because without a very good offensive line, a very good defense and a radically small offensive playbook, there's little chance of ultimately having a winning season.

Kyle Orton had that exact same defense and back then they couldn't buy a win. And two of those losses were against teams that Tebow has beaten since. Tebow has been the difference. The team thinks it can win because of Tebow, not the defense.

If it was all about defenses then the Ravens would never lose and the Pats would never win.

It wasn't the exact same defense, at least they weren't playing like it. The defense played awful the first four weeks of the season. They turned it around, a credit to either coaching (or perhaps improving with the new scheme) or Tebow's magical leadership aura.

Yep. They just happened to turn it all around the second Tebow walked onto the field. I completely agree.

Score

Tebow's magical leadership aura: 1      

Coaching that was bad for 4 weeks, then got good: 0

[Rondo2287]

Whats the time of possesion difference for denver with Tebow at the helm vs Orton.  That could be a real trigger to the defense upping its game

[Rondo2287]

Whats the time of possesion difference for denver with Tebow at the helm vs Orton.  That could be a real trigger to the defense upping its game

Hmmm, looking at it, it doesnt seem to be that big of a difference

[Eja117]

There's more than one way to win a football game.  We've been brainwashed by the passing stats of the last 10 years. It's perfectly fine to not throw for 200 yards and win. That doesn't make a guy a bad QB.

A QB who can't be stopped running the ball and never throws INTS and doesn't throw for almost any yards is better than a QB who can't be stopped passing, till he throws a couple picks, and can't run the ball.

Case in point.  Tebow had a way way wayyyyy better game than Vince Young last night. And a little better than Philip Rivers. He had a way better game than Stafford. Better than Colt mcCoy who went for 150 yards a TD and an INT against the dreaded Bengals defense.

He had a better day than a bunch of QBs. I guess they all can't win long term in this league

[Eja117]

Nevertheless I get in line behind Skip Bayless (RIGHT behind. Whoever you are, you are #3 behind me). I'm not taking Tebow over Aaron Rodgers in the 4th quarter. I'd think about it though

[Fafnir]

Whats the time of possesion difference for denver with Tebow at the helm vs Orton.  That could be a real trigger to the defense upping its game

Hmmm, looking at it, it doesnt seem to be that big of a difference

I actually broke down the numbers quickly from game logs of Orton/Tebow

Their yards per passing play (sacks + passes) went down a lot, their yards per rushing play went up a yard or so. They're scoring less points and getting less yards but turning it over less.

Basically their D has stepped up its game and they stopped killing themselves with turnovers.

[indeedproceed]

When given a choice between Tim Tebow and an in his prime Dan Marino, eja laughed out loud and just shook his head at the sheer idiocy of it all.

Why take a passing god when you can take an ACTUAL god who also happens to pass?

[Rondo2287]

Whats the time of possesion difference for denver with Tebow at the helm vs Orton.  That could be a real trigger to the defense upping its game

Hmmm, looking at it, it doesnt seem to be that big of a difference

I actually broke down the numbers quickly from game logs of Orton/Tebow

Their yards per passing play (sacks + passes) went down a lot, their yards per rushing play went up a yard or so. They're scoring less points and getting less yards but turning it over less.

Basically their D has stepped up its game and they stopped killing themselves with turnovers.

I would be interested to see the average field position of their opponents.  Usually turnovers lead to good starting field position and strain on defense.

[Eja117]

When given a choice between Tim Tebow and an in his prime Dan Marino, eja laughed out loud and just shook his head at the sheer idiocy of it all.

Why take a passing god when you can take an ACTUAL god who also happens to pass?

While I did add that to my profile let's remember the first commandment of having no Gods before Him.

Tebow is more of a prophet, beloved of God.