Trade idea: Baby to Chicago??

[nickagneta]

Rumors from Yahoo.com are that the Chicago Bulls are looking for a scoring big to insert into their starting lineup while also providing themselves with some salary cap relief for next year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-tradebuzz120309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The rumors are that they are actively shopping Tyrus Thomas and are trying to get Donnie Walsh and the Knicks to part with Al Harrington's expiring contract. Good luck with that Chicago. I don't see New York trading away Harrington just to get Thomas only to have to renounce him when they decide to go big free agent hunting next year.

So if the Bulls are shopping Thomas while he recovers from his broken arm and are looking for cap relief why not something like:

Boston sends: Davis, Allen, Scal, House and 2013 2nd rounder(unprotected)


Chicago sends: Thomas, Salmons and Hunter

Of course the trade couldn't go down until the 15th of December at the earliest.

[adam8]

I don't think Chicago would be willing to give up Salmons for Big Baby especially without seeing him play yet this year, but with the way Sheldon has played this year I would love this trade because Salmons is a good player and Hunter although old is a good insurance guard to have around.

[wdleehi]

Davis in not the same type of scorer as Harrington. 

He is guy cappable of hitting the open jumpshot other teams leave him because they are more worried about stopping the other guys.  That will not be the case in Chicago like it was in Boston.

[ssspence]

as much as we all believe in davis around here, chicago gives up the two best players in the deal.

[Tai]

as much as we all believe in davis around here, chicago gives up the two best players in the deal.

The Bulls bring this up and leave the office.

[Chris]

I was going to say this was at least halfway plausible, if you believe the Harrington rumors (I don't).  However, you got greedy with Salmons.  Without Gordon, they need Salmons, and he is significantly more valuable than anyone they are getting. 

And you have to notice that the proposed Knicks deal does not give them cap relief next season. 

Ultimately, I think the Bulls just want Harrington (and I don't blame them, he would be a good fit, despite his aversion to defense) in this scenario, and I don't think Davis is anywhere near as good.

[ssspence]

I was going to say this was at least halfway plausible, if you believe the Harrington rumors (I don't).  However, you got greedy with Salmons.  Without Gordon, they need Salmons, and he is significantly more valuable than anyone they are getting. 

And you have to notice that the proposed Knicks deal does not give them cap relief next season. 

Ultimately, I think the Bulls just want Harrington (and I don't blame them, he would be a good fit, despite his aversion to defense) in this scenario, and I don't think Davis is anywhere near as good.

Therein lies the conundrum of this deal --- the Cs need to take 2010 salary off of Chicago's plate to make this deal worthwhile to them, but there's not much to free them of. Heinrich? Salmons? doubt they're chomping at the bit to get rid of either in order Thomas. They could trade either by themselves.

[nickagneta]

Okay so you guys are probably right.

I wonder though if there is any way we could work with Chicago, who is actively shopping Thomas, to facilitate a trade with someone to get Chicago what they want, namely a big that can start and probably score on a one year contract, and we can get what we want, namely to dump some of our expiring contract junk for a useful energy 3-4 and/or a good back PG.

[Chris]

Okay so you guys are probably right.

I wonder though if there is any way we could work with Chicago, who is actively shopping Thomas, to facilitate a trade with someone to get Chicago what they want, namely a big that can start and probably score on a one year contract, and we can get what we want, namely to dump some of our expiring contract junk for a useful energy 3-4 and/or a good back PG.

Sure, send Ray Allen to Utah, and Boozer to Chicago.  Short of that, I don't know if there is a match there.

[ssspence]

Okay so you guys are probably right.

I wonder though if there is any way we could work with Chicago, who is actively shopping Thomas, to facilitate a trade with someone to get Chicago what they want, namely a big that can start and probably score on a one year contract, and we can get what we want, namely to dump some of our expiring contract junk for a useful energy 3-4 and/or a good back PG.

Sure, send Ray Allen to Utah, and Boozer to Chicago.  Short of that, I don't know if there is a match there.

yeah unless we're going to bump this up to bigger name players i think it's tough. Thomas is a more interesting young player than any of our "assets" outside the starting 5 (i.e. Baby, Walker, House, Williams, late 1sts, etc).

[ssspence]

i think it would be a nice coup for walsh if he could pull the deal off. one one hand al is key to knicks this year, but who cares about this year? thomas could be a great fit with d'antoni ala stoudamire. I’m not really sure why Chicago does it though. Harrington’s doing all his scoring driving and shooting from the perimeter, not down low. A Salmons and Thomas for Boozer deal really makes some sense for both teams, no? And that's obviously a better deal, Salmons has been pretty shaky this year.

[Tai]

Okay so you guys are probably right.

I wonder though if there is any way we could work with Chicago, who is actively shopping Thomas, to facilitate a trade with someone to get Chicago what they want, namely a big that can start and probably score on a one year contract, and we can get what we want, namely to dump some of our expiring contract junk for a useful energy 3-4 and/or a good back PG.

Sure, send Ray Allen to Utah, and Boozer to Chicago.  Short of that, I don't know if there is a match there.

I'm really discouraged by the fact that people are even willing to toss Ray Allen into trade talks. 

[Chris]

Okay so you guys are probably right.

I wonder though if there is any way we could work with Chicago, who is actively shopping Thomas, to facilitate a trade with someone to get Chicago what they want, namely a big that can start and probably score on a one year contract, and we can get what we want, namely to dump some of our expiring contract junk for a useful energy 3-4 and/or a good back PG.

Sure, send Ray Allen to Utah, and Boozer to Chicago.  Short of that, I don't know if there is a match there.

I'm really discouraged by the fact that people are even willing to toss Ray Allen into trade talks. 

I think we need a sarcasm button.  I was just trying to make the point that we are not going to get those type of players from Chicago without giving up someone more significant than Glenn Davis.  I wasn't actually proposing it.

[ssspence]

Okay so you guys are probably right.

I wonder though if there is any way we could work with Chicago, who is actively shopping Thomas, to facilitate a trade with someone to get Chicago what they want, namely a big that can start and probably score on a one year contract, and we can get what we want, namely to dump some of our expiring contract junk for a useful energy 3-4 and/or a good back PG.

Sure, send Ray Allen to Utah, and Boozer to Chicago.  Short of that, I don't know if there is a match there.

I'm really discouraged by the fact that people are even willing to toss Ray Allen into trade talks. 

Forget Ray -- I find it outrageous how folks throw around TONY Allen's name in trade proposals like a used dishrag. Salmon and Mashed Potatoes!

[Hoops]

as much as we all believe in davis around here, chicago gives up the two best players in the deal.

The Bulls bring this up and leave the office.

Really? Thomas and Salmons do not impress me much at all. But either way, I think this idea fails because I don't believe either side looks at this deal and says "Wow, this trade definitely makes us better - either now or in the future."

I think Chicago gets slightly better in the short term (due, in large part, to Ray's veteran leadership), but it hurts them long term. Thomas is more athletically gifted than Davis, but he's a bigger knucklehead (at least on the court). Salmons is a downgrade from Allen, IMHO, at least for this year. But with the goal being Banner 18 this year, I don't see Salmons improving our odds this year.