If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?

[RJ87]

First off, the trade is a technically fiscal impossibility.

Why?

Because Rondo is still on his rookie contract.  If we gave Milwaukee Ray, we'd need to get similar salary back in return.  Outgoing and incoming salary must be within 25% + $100k of one another.

What? I know the CBA, but I can't follow that logic.

Rondo and Jennings are making basically the same money this season. Why are you mentioning Ray?

For whatever reason, I was thinking Ray was in there.  nick may have been thinking the same thing.

It still wouldn't work because of the whole Poison Pill Provision thing - with Rondo signing the extension, Milwaukee would have to send us another $6m in contracts - and even then I think there would still be issues making it work financially.

[pearljammer10]

No way...are you crazy?

[ssspence]

No way...are you crazy?

Did you see Rajon's free throw motion tonight? Whoa. If the guy never learns to shoot outside 2 feet, do you still think it would be "crazy" considering the alternative can bomb from 27?

I think this conversation is a fantasy (the Bucks give up a guy who has energized the city making like $2mil for 3 years -- do they look wealthy?), but don't lose track of the fact that for all of Rajon's strengths, he has just as many warts that he needs to address before he can ever be considered the catalyst many here dream he is.

[jambr380]

No way...are you crazy?

Did you see Rajon's free throw motion tonight? Whoa. If the guy never learns to shoot outside 2 feet, do you still think it would be "crazy" considering the alternative can bomb from 27?

I think this conversation is a fantasy (the Bucks give up a guy who has energized the city making like $2mil for 3 years -- do they look wealthy?), but don't lose track of the fact that for all of Rajon's strengths, he has just as many warts that he needs to address before he can ever be considered the catalyst many here dream he is.

I get pretty sick of players who are just really good shooters. I get that 3s are worth more than 2s, so outside shooting is necessary, but what Rondo has you can't really teach- and contrary to popular belief, his game is much more 'polished' than Gerald Green's.

Also, would Jennings' game really fit in that well with the Cs right now? He is doing what he needs to do in Milwaukee right now because they need him to be doing that, but a volume shooter is the last thing we need. Jennings may be really really good one day, but Rondo already does stuff other pgs can't do...even if he is the reason the Celtics are HORRIBLE now 

[pearljammer10]

No way...are you crazy?

Did you see Rajon's free throw motion tonight? Whoa. If the guy never learns to shoot outside 2 feet, do you still think it would be "crazy" considering the alternative can bomb from 27?

I think this conversation is a fantasy (the Bucks give up a guy who has energized the city making like $2mil for 3 years -- do they look wealthy?), but don't lose track of the fact that for all of Rajon's strengths, he has just as many warts that he needs to address before he can ever be considered the catalyst many here dream he is.

Oh great...He can bomb from 27 feet... Lets just add more three point shooting to Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Eddie House, and Rasheed Wallace's bomb assault. Thats exactly what this team needs another outside shooter...  The entire team settles for jump shots as it is. This guys putting up points yes, but also, what, 20 shots per game? Pierce hardly gets 10 shots off by himself on a good night...Heck hardly any of the starter get more than 12 shots on any given night...Where would 20 extra shots come in? He's a decent rookie on a not so great scoring team that can in fact score. Rondo, when playing full out, is a nightly triple double threat who looks like he can make all nba first defense this year and leads the league in steals...Pass that up for a rookie with no other scorers on the team...No thanks. Redd comes back his scoring numbers will drop.

[nickagneta]

First off, the trade is a technically fiscal impossibility.

Why?

Because Rondo is still on his rookie contract.  If we gave Milwaukee Ray, we'd need to get similar salary back in return.  Outgoing and incoming salary must be within 25% + $100k of one another.

What? I know the CBA, but I can't follow that logic.

Rondo and Jennings are making basically the same money this season. Why are you mentioning Ray?

For whatever reason, I was thinking Ray was in there.  nick may have been thinking the same thing.

It's the poison pill provision of having to take back in salary from Milwaukee the average of the 5 year deal Rondo signed while counting his $2 million salary as the outgoing salary.

So Jennings to Boston counts as $2.1 million coming to Boston but Boston has to receive +/- 125% + $100K of $11 million not Rondo's $2 million.

This makes a deal just about impossible

[Amonkey]

The thing that gets overlooked in the argument that Jennings is scoring a lot of points because he's playing for the Bucks is that Rondo wouldn't be getting as many assists if he was playing for another team that doesn't have the Big 3.

[crownsy]

Nope.

Rondo's usually pretty slow in November. I think he'll pick up the pace as the season progresses. Plus, as good an offensive player Brandon Jennings is, he puts up 25+ shots per game. I don't think that'll work in our system as it's set up now.

He puts up 19.5... on a team that has nobody else to shoot the ball.  We can forgive him for being a chucker at this point.

to bad this defeats the entire reactionary stance of trading for him.

If he needs 15+ shots to put up his amazing offensive numbers, where exactly are those shots coming from once he's here? from the big 3? how many shots are we sacrificing?

Also, ive seen him play, and he's not a very good passer. He is a hell of a scorer, but explain to me again how that fits with our team dynamic? We believe in pass first guards who only take open shots correct?

Good luck with that from brandon. He only really goes into a passing mentality when he's double teamed.

He's like iverson lite. a good scorer, but it comes from his mentality of Shoot, shoot, shoot some more, and if im trapped or on a break where i can't score, i'll think about passing to you.

people in this thread talk about rondo's warts, and justly so, but watch a bucks game. Jennings is a great scoring option, but go ahead and tell me how his one on one defense (bad) rebounding (non-existent) Team defense (looks bad, but i'll grade him as average since he's on the bucks which aint helping that eval) and court vision/ passing ability (below average at best) compare to rondo.

He can sure score though, i'll give him that.

[Amonkey]

Nope.

Rondo's usually pretty slow in November. I think he'll pick up the pace as the season progresses. Plus, as good an offensive player Brandon Jennings is, he puts up 25+ shots per game. I don't think that'll work in our system as it's set up now.

He puts up 19.5... on a team that has nobody else to shoot the ball.  We can forgive him for being a chucker at this point.

to bad this defeats the entire reactionary stance of trading for him.

If he needs 15+ shots to put up his amazing offensive numbers, where exactly are those shots coming from once he's here? from the big 3? how many shots are we sacrificing?

Also, ive seen him play, and he's not a very good passer. He is a hell of a scorer, but explain to me again how that fits with our team dynamic? We believe in pass first guards who only take open shots correct?

Good luck with that from brandon. He only really goes into a passing mentality when he's double teamed.

He's like iverson lite. a good scorer, but it comes from his mentality of Shoot, shoot, shoot some more, and if im trapped or on a break where i can't score, i'll think about passing to you.

people in this thread talk about rondo's warts, and justly so, but watch a bucks game. Jennings is a great scoring option, but go ahead and tell me how his one on one defense (bad) rebounding (non-existent) Team defense (looks bad, but i'll grade him as average since he's on the bucks which aint helping that eval) and court vision/ passing ability (below average at best) compare to rondo.

He can sure score though, i'll give him that.

On his first game he had a line of 19-9-9.  All he needed was one rebound and one assist to get a triple double on his first game.  Also, I dont know what games you were watching.  From the games I saw, he had made some really smart plays, passing the ball when needed and shooting when it was needed.  If he was playing for the Celtics, he wouldn't have as many shots, but his assists would be up to double digits.

[scoop]

to bad this defeats the entire reactionary stance of trading for him.

If he needs 15+ shots to put up his amazing offensive numbers, where exactly are those shots coming from once he's here? from the big 3? how many shots are we sacrificing?

Also, ive seen him play, and he's not a very good passer. He is a hell of a scorer, but explain to me again how that fits with our team dynamic? We believe in pass first guards who only take open shots correct?

Good luck with that from brandon. He only really goes into a passing mentality when he's double teamed.

He's like iverson lite. a good scorer, but it comes from his mentality of Shoot, shoot, shoot some more, and if im trapped or on a break where i can't score, i'll think about passing to you.

people in this thread talk about rondo's warts, and justly so, but watch a bucks game. Jennings is a great scoring option, but go ahead and tell me how his one on one defense (bad) rebounding (non-existent) Team defense (looks bad, but i'll grade him as average since he's on the bucks which aint helping that eval) and court vision/ passing ability (below average at best) compare to rondo.

He can sure score though, i'll give him that.

I think Jennings is a much better passer than he is a scorer and it's not even close. Not only he can see great passing angles he also has the ability to pass (he's really good putting the ball "between the numbers") and the willingness (if anything he likes to pass too much). He's averaging 5.5 assists per game. How many rookie point-guards can you find in recent years that put up similar numbers? When you factor to whom he's passing the ball and how he's forced to score, these numbers become spectacular (to the point I very much doubt he can sustain them).

I'm also not sure why do you call his rebounding non-existent. He's averaging 4.4 rpg and a 7.7%RR, which are very high numbers for a point-guard, especially one playing for one of the best rebounding teams in the league. He's easily a top-5 PG in rebounding. Care to explain?

His defence is very, very good for a rookie PG. The Bucks are the 2nd best defensive team in the league and Jennings is part of that. Very quick laterally, very handsy and puts up a lot of effort.

[crownsy]

Nope.

Rondo's usually pretty slow in November. I think he'll pick up the pace as the season progresses. Plus, as good an offensive player Brandon Jennings is, he puts up 25+ shots per game. I don't think that'll work in our system as it's set up now.

He puts up 19.5... on a team that has nobody else to shoot the ball.  We can forgive him for being a chucker at this point.

to bad this defeats the entire reactionary stance of trading for him.

If he needs 15+ shots to put up his amazing offensive numbers, where exactly are those shots coming from once he's here? from the big 3? how many shots are we sacrificing?

Also, ive seen him play, and he's not a very good passer. He is a hell of a scorer, but explain to me again how that fits with our team dynamic? We believe in pass first guards who only take open shots correct?

Good luck with that from brandon. He only really goes into a passing mentality when he's double teamed.

He's like iverson lite. a good scorer, but it comes from his mentality of Shoot, shoot, shoot some more, and if im trapped or on a break where i can't score, i'll think about passing to you.

people in this thread talk about rondo's warts, and justly so, but watch a bucks game. Jennings is a great scoring option, but go ahead and tell me how his one on one defense (bad) rebounding (non-existent) Team defense (looks bad, but i'll grade him as average since he's on the bucks which aint helping that eval) and court vision/ passing ability (below average at best) compare to rondo.

He can sure score though, i'll give him that.

On his first game he had a line of 19-9-9.  All he needed was one rebound and one assist to get a triple double on his first game.  Also, I dont know what games you were watching.  From the games I saw, he had made some really smart plays, passing the ball when needed and shooting when it was needed.  If he was playing for the Celtics, he wouldn't have as many shots, but his assists would be up to double digits.

Iverson, minus the last two years of utter awfulness, averaged 7.5 assists for his career, do you think he's a great passer?

There's a difference between being able to make a flashy pass, which AI and jennings CAN do, and being a good passer.

[Amonkey]

Nope.

Rondo's usually pretty slow in November. I think he'll pick up the pace as the season progresses. Plus, as good an offensive player Brandon Jennings is, he puts up 25+ shots per game. I don't think that'll work in our system as it's set up now.

He puts up 19.5... on a team that has nobody else to shoot the ball.  We can forgive him for being a chucker at this point.

to bad this defeats the entire reactionary stance of trading for him.

If he needs 15+ shots to put up his amazing offensive numbers, where exactly are those shots coming from once he's here? from the big 3? how many shots are we sacrificing?

Also, ive seen him play, and he's not a very good passer. He is a hell of a scorer, but explain to me again how that fits with our team dynamic? We believe in pass first guards who only take open shots correct?

Good luck with that from brandon. He only really goes into a passing mentality when he's double teamed.

He's like iverson lite. a good scorer, but it comes from his mentality of Shoot, shoot, shoot some more, and if im trapped or on a break where i can't score, i'll think about passing to you.

people in this thread talk about rondo's warts, and justly so, but watch a bucks game. Jennings is a great scoring option, but go ahead and tell me how his one on one defense (bad) rebounding (non-existent) Team defense (looks bad, but i'll grade him as average since he's on the bucks which aint helping that eval) and court vision/ passing ability (below average at best) compare to rondo.

He can sure score though, i'll give him that.

On his first game he had a line of 19-9-9.  All he needed was one rebound and one assist to get a triple double on his first game.  Also, I dont know what games you were watching.  From the games I saw, he had made some really smart plays, passing the ball when needed and shooting when it was needed.  If he was playing for the Celtics, he wouldn't have as many shots, but his assists would be up to double digits.

Iverson, minus the last two years of utter awfulness, averaged 7.5 assists for his career, do you think he's a great passer?

There's a difference between being able to make a flashy pass, which AI and jennings CAN do, and being a good passer.

and during those years, didn't Iverson go to the NBA Finals?  I don't understand the Iverson comparisons when people only have a 15 game sample from a rookie.  All I know is that this Milwaukee team, who has no business winning, is 4th in the Eastern Conference with this kid at the realm.  If we had Iverson at his peak, or even close to his peak, I would trade him for Rondo in a heartbeat.

[QuinielaBox]

I suppose if a player goes into a slump (like Rondo is in) and we have a hot rookie that plays his position - Some people have knee jerk reactions and want to make this kind of deal.

I am not surprised this notion came up. That said, this is a kneejerk trade hypothesis that is wishful thinking by the Rondo detractors.

My answer is no, final answer.

[nickagneta]

Let's remember something about Jennings, he's only played a grand total of 11 NBA games. And let's remember something else, the schedule hasn't exactly been grueling.

The Bucks, a couple other teams, have played the least amount of games in the league(11) and the least amount of back to back sets(3). Most of the rest of the league has played 13 games or more games with many(12) playing 14 or 15 games and 5 back to back sets of games already. Milwaukee has also played 7 of their 11 games at home, with two of their away games being in Chicago and Minnesota, not exactly difficult road trips from Milwaukee.

The reason I'm saying this is Jennings hasn't seen the tough side of an NBA season yet. He hasn't played 3 games in 4 nights yet. He hasn't played 4 games in 5 nights yet. He hasn't had a protracted road trip to either coast yet. He hasn't played more than 27 games in a professional season of basketball yet. He most definitely hasn't hit a rookie wall yet and needed to adjust yet.

I say he has been putting up some stellar numbers and impressing scouts across the league. But let's give him more time before we decide to trade an improving proven NBA player of Rondo's quality for him. Time is a funny thing sometimes.

[wdleehi]

Before making a deal like this, can we see the following


: Jenning play in a high pressure situation.

: Jenning having to deal with defenses tailored towards his strenghts

:  Jenning playing with multiple offensive weapons that he has to keep happy




I have nothing against Jennings except he is unproven.  Not the type of starting PG this team needs.  Rondo had a years NBA experience before he was thrown into this type of fire.