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Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2009, 07:24:12 PM »

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are you crazy??? lol the bucks will never do a stupid thing. Jennings is the next Allen Iverson...lol ;D

In other words, a good player who'll NEVER win a championship.

Like steve nash, karl malone, barkley, jason kidd, dirk, etc., right?

wrong. The difference between those guys and AI is that they're willing to sacrifice personal stats for the greater good of the team. AI is 34 and he still hasn't learned the concept of team basketball.

Brandon Jennings is young guy, he may get there someday but at this point, he's getting ROY talk for his stats. He's a shoot first PG, which wouldn't fit well within the system that we have. Can you imagine him trying to maintain the egos of 3 HOFers and get them enough shots? From what I've seen of Jennings, that's definitely not his strength at this point. Maybe with a bit more experience, but if this trade were remotely possible, it would be awhile before we could figure out and implement an offense that would work to the strengths of all the players.

Well to counterpoint your argument who else is going to score on the Bucks.  Redd has only played 2 games.  Bogut is your second leading scorer with Ilyasova and Ridnour next in line.  With that talent they should be 3-8 at best not 8-3.  Jennings has to score big on that team and he is doing it very efficiently while his coach is quoted as saying Jennings is being a team player.  If he was on the Celtics his scoring average would go down but his assists would probably go up.  It's only 11 games but still very very impressive nonetheless.   If he was still doing this into February I would strongly consider pulling the trigger. 

I'm not saying he's not coachable. But I was able to catch a few of his games while he was playing for Roma, and he's definitely a shoot-first guard - granted, he played limited minutes. I believe he averaged about 2 assists per game.

It could very well work, but I think you would be wrong to assume this would be an instant fit and fix. Its really not as simple as plugging in players, this is a kid who's currently a prolific scorer (even averaging over 40ppg his senior year in high school) and if this were to happen, we would be asking him to change his game. It wouldn't work overnight, if anything it would push us more off course for the season. And with this very possibly being the final season with the Big Three, it just doesn't seem like a good idea right now.
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Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2009, 07:34:52 PM »

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I've seen all the [Euroleague] games Jennings played for Roma (where he was playing mostly at the 2) and almost all he played for the Bucks and he's not even close to be a shoot-first PG.

Right now there's only one healthy guy in the Bucks roster that have a career scoring average in double digits (Warrick - 10 ppg). Before there was also Bogut (11 ppg), who creates most of his shots anyway. If Jennings doesn't shoot the ball they're not winning any games.
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Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2009, 07:39:47 PM »

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Yes, no question about it.

Love Rondo, but he has flaws in his game that Jennings does not.

Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2009, 07:49:06 PM »

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are you crazy??? lol the bucks will never do a stupid thing. Jennings is the next Allen Iverson...lol ;D

In other words, a good player who'll NEVER win a championship.

Like steve nash, karl malone, barkley, jason kidd, dirk, etc., right?
Maybe, but if I was offered a young version of these guys for young Rondo I'd probably take it

Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2009, 07:49:38 PM »

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The only reason I do it is because reports are that Jennings is humble and very motivated to succeed and win and because he has about a 3mill per year contract and Rondo has 11mill, but as such my understanding is that this price difference makes the trade straight up absolutely impossible, which I think Nick said

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« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2009, 07:56:30 PM »

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are you crazy??? lol the bucks will never do a stupid thing. Jennings is the next Allen Iverson...lol ;D

In other words, a good player who'll NEVER win a championship.

Like steve nash, karl malone, barkley, jason kidd, dirk, etc., right?

wrong. The difference between those guys and AI is that they're willing to sacrifice personal stats for the greater good of the team. AI is 34 and he still hasn't learned the concept of team basketball.

Brandon Jennings is young guy, he may get there someday but at this point, he's getting ROY talk for his stats. He's a shoot first PG, which wouldn't fit well within the system that we have. Can you imagine him trying to maintain the egos of 3 HOFers and get them enough shots? From what I've seen of Jennings, that's definitely not his strength at this point. Maybe with a bit more experience, but if this trade were remotely possible, it would be awhile before we could figure out and implement an offense that would work to the strengths of all the players.

Well to counterpoint your argument who else is going to score on the Bucks.  Redd has only played 2 games.  Bogut is your second leading scorer with Ilyasova and Ridnour next in line.  With that talent they should be 3-8 at best not 8-3.  Jennings has to score big on that team and he is doing it very efficiently while his coach is quoted as saying Jennings is being a team player.  If he was on the Celtics his scoring average would go down but his assists would probably go up.  It's only 11 games but still very very impressive nonetheless.   If he was still doing this into February I would strongly consider pulling the trigger. 

I'm not saying he's not coachable. But I was able to catch a few of his games while he was playing for Roma, and he's definitely a shoot-first guard - granted, he played limited minutes. I believe he averaged about 2 assists per game.

It could very well work, but I think you would be wrong to assume this would be an instant fit and fix. Its really not as simple as plugging in players, this is a kid who's currently a prolific scorer (even averaging over 40ppg his senior year in high school) and if this were to happen, we would be asking him to change his game. It wouldn't work overnight, if anything it would push us more off course for the season. And with this very possibly being the final season with the Big Three, it just doesn't seem like a good idea right now.

Yes right now hold off but a few months from now I would think about it if our less than stellar play the last 5 or 6 games continue.  With his situation in Italy I've read he was very humbled over there and worked his tail off during the summer.   Also he might not have to change his game too much here.  A little more scoring from our PG might be welcomed as our offense is stagnant at times, KG maybe not being the scorer he once was, and being too reliant on Pierce at times.  

Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2009, 08:18:47 PM »

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Has anyone here ever heard of the rookie wall?  Let's wait to see what happens once teams start to get used to what he does and once teams start caring enough stop him.  Milwaukee is off to a hot start, but for at least some of those games you have to think teams went in with the attitude, "let him score, we'll still crush 'em."

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« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2009, 08:20:32 PM »

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are you crazy??? lol the bucks will never do a stupid thing. Jennings is the next Allen Iverson...lol ;D
Call me crazy but I have never been a fan of 6 foot tall PGs who take 25% of a team's total shots every game.
That's the situation, not the player.

Jennings is only taking that large a number of shots because Milwaukee lack scorers. From everything I've seen of him, Jennings would be perfectly comfortable scoring 14-19ppg while setting up the offense and getting others shots.
I agree 100% with you...and im not one who usually make over rookies at any position until after they've proven themselves for at least a season.B.Jennings is the first rookie,that ive seen that has out-played every team they played pg,or main shooting guard.He is faster than the Jet for the Mavs...If Derik hadn't of hit a last second jumper,the Bucks would be 9-2 at this moment.The Mavs won the game but i bet they have a new found respect for Jennings after their first meeting this season.

And for those who doubt his abilites and never watched him play a single game,maybe they should hold their judgement until after they've seen him play a few games.

Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2009, 08:24:50 PM »

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Yes i would. Rondo's (or type of player) draft range is in the 15-25 level and i think personally rondo has exceeded expectations by playing as a player drafted in the 11-14 range(late lottery).

Jennings on the other hand had 1-5 draft range potential even though he was drafted ten. He has proven so far that he should have been a top three pick this past years draft

Basically it seems Jennings is a franchise type player vs Rondo who is a starter in the nba .

Yes i would

Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2009, 08:27:18 PM »

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Has anyone here ever heard of the rookie wall?  Let's wait to see what happens once teams start to get used to what he does and once teams start caring enough stop him.  Milwaukee is off to a hot start, but for at least some of those games you have to think teams went in with the attitude, "let him score, we'll still crush 'em."
Yes ive heard of the rookie wall,and thats not the point.Its not about him going thru a slump eventually,this is about his overall abilites.Eventually he would come out of a slump.Also,there are some rookies who has said they never hit that rookie wall.Maybe he might not ever hit one.

Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2009, 08:32:24 PM »

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Has anyone here ever heard of the rookie wall?  Let's wait to see what happens once teams start to get used to what he does and once teams start caring enough stop him.  Milwaukee is off to a hot start, but for at least some of those games you have to think teams went in with the attitude, "let him score, we'll still crush 'em."
Yes ive heard of the rookie wall,and thats not the point.Its not about him going thru a slump eventually,this is about his overall abilites.Eventually he would come out of a slump.Also,there are some rookies who has said they never hit that rookie wall.Maybe he might not ever hit one.

There's also some rookies who look great for a small stretch then settle in to being just good. 

You may be right.  He may be great.  I just don't think any of us can tell at this point.  And to me it's not worth blowing this thing up over a few bad games. 

Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2009, 08:52:47 PM »

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First off, the trade is a technically fiscal impossibility.

Why?

Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2009, 08:55:26 PM »

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First off, the trade is a technically fiscal impossibility.

Why?

Because Rondo is still on his rookie contract.  If we gave Milwaukee Ray, we'd need to get similar salary back in return.  Outgoing and incoming salary must be within 25% + $100k of one another.

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Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2009, 09:03:25 PM »

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First off, the trade is a technically fiscal impossibility.

Why?

Because Rondo is still on his rookie contract.  If we gave Milwaukee Ray, we'd need to get similar salary back in return.  Outgoing and incoming salary must be within 25% + $100k of one another.

What? I know the CBA, but I can't follow that logic.

Rondo and Jennings are making basically the same money this season. Why are you mentioning Ray?

Re: If the Bucks called and offered Rondo for Jennings, would you?
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2009, 09:09:56 PM »

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First off, the trade is a technically fiscal impossibility.

Why?

Because Rondo is still on his rookie contract.  If we gave Milwaukee Ray, we'd need to get similar salary back in return.  Outgoing and incoming salary must be within 25% + $100k of one another.

What? I know the CBA, but I can't follow that logic.

Rondo and Jennings are making basically the same money this season. Why are you mentioning Ray?

For whatever reason, I was thinking Ray was in there.  nick may have been thinking the same thing.

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