Is It Time To Trade Ray Allen?

[rondohondo]

Is it time to consider trading Ray Allen?

I really think it might be time to trade Ray Allen. The guy looks really old and with players like PP,KG and Rasheed this team looks slow and old. I think we have to trade Ray Allen because this is going to be the last year until 2012 that we could land a potential Max player with Ray's expiring contract( PP will never be traded ). If you can get a nice couple of younger pieces or one max player who is younger and comparable to what Ray can do  you have to pull the trigger. Ray would be a great 6th man off the bench , but I really don't think he is going to make it to the playoffs with much left in the tank if he continues play starters mins.

So here are some trades that I think have a chance of happening, or at least would make sense for both sides.



Bos Sends: Ray , Giddens , House

Pho Sends: Richardson , Barbosa



Why for Boston:

 They get a legit starting SG in return who can hit the 3 and take it to the basket. He is also a better defender than Ray Allen in my opinion. He is also only 28 so he is 6 years younger than Ray and wouldn't ware down by the time the playoffs arrive .He would fit the roll as 3rd option in the C's starting lineup and only has 2 years left on his contract , so it wouldn't kill the C's moves in the future.

 Season Averages: 16.7 PPG, 51%FG'S , 44% 3P FG'S, 64% FT, 5.5 REB, 1.5 AST

The C's also get a real 6th man. Eddie House is very limited and when he is not hitting the 3, he is pretty useless out there. Barbosa gives them a guys that can play both PG and SG . He is just as good of a 3pt shooter as Eddie, but can also get a mid range game going and get other players involved. He  is still only 26 and would have fresh legs coming off the bench for Rondo and Richardson. With Barbosa we could now move Daniels to backup SF so PP can get some rest.

Season Averages : 11 PPG, 47% FG'S, 39% 3P FG'S,  62% FT% 1.5 REBS, 1.5 AST

Roster
PG: Rondo        / Barbosa
SG: Richardson /Barbosa   / TA   / Walker
SF: PP             / Daniels   /SCAL
PF: KG            / BBD       / Williams
 C: Perk          / Sheed     / Williams



Why For Phoenix:

This trade would be all about gettng under the salary cap and being able to possibly add a Max contract in 2010. This trade saves them 29 Million over the next 2 years and its also brings their salary cap down to 42 MIL( Which would be about 10- 12 MIL under the cap). They could then move Grant Hill or few other small pieces for expiring contracts to put them around 15 MIL under the cap to add a Max contract, I am sure they would like to get Joe Johnson back.

This trade also still lets them contend this year. Ray is getting up there in age, but would fit well in the run and gun next to Steve Nash Pulling up for 3's on the fastbreak. Same goes for Eddie House . They would fit the suns system perfectly all offense , no defense.

Roster
PG: Nash      /  Dragic
SG: Ray       / House
SF: Hill        /  Dudley
PF: Amare   / Amundson
 C: Frye      / Lopez



Bos Sends : Ray Allen , BBD,  JR Giddens, 2nd rd pick

Char Sends:  Gerald Wallace , Diaw , Mohammed


Why For Boston:

Gerald Wallace: While Ray Allen is be a superior offensive player to Wallace, the same could also be said about Wallace being superior to Ray on the defensive end. The guy is super athletic and pretty much a lock down defender. He can gaurd sg's, sf's and even some PF's. He gets most of his offense on cuts to the basket and offensive rebound. He is a very good rebounder and can get out on the break with Rondo to connect on Alley Oops.

Season Averages: 36% FG'S , 21% 3P FG'S, 72% FT, 11.5 REBS, 1.7 STIL, 1 AST, 2 TO

Boris Diaw: Diaw is a very versatile PF who has playoff experience with Phoenix. He has a pretty good face up game and can get other players involved as he is a great passer. He is definitely a nice 6th man to bring off the bench and could start for many teams in the NBA.

Season Averages: 50% FG'S , 25% 3P FGS, 76% FT, 5.5 REBS , 1.3 STL, 4.5 AST, 1.8 TO

Roster
PG: Rondo     /  Daniels
SG: PP         / House
SF: Wallace  / Diaw
PF: KG         / Sheed
 C: Perk        / Williams



Why For Charlotte:

It is no secret that the Bobcats are in deep financial trouble, just look here : http://www.nba.com/2009/news/05/22/bobcats.sale.ap/index.html

This trade would give them the ability to still make the playoffs this year( which is a major goal for them) and would give them the most noteable player ever to put on a Bobcats uniform in Ray Allen. He and Stephen Jackson would make a pretty nice combo on the wings for the rest of the year. They also get BBD who is only making a 3rd of what Boris Diaw makes at the PF position for the same amound of years(2). We all saw what BBD did last postseason so there is potential for him to grow into a solid starter for the Bobcats over the next few years

This trade saves the Bobcats about 45 MIL over the next 3 years and would also bring the team salary down to around 38 MIL. This trade would allow them to contend for a playoff spot this year while giving them about 15 MIL in cap space to be able to offer a Max Contract next year. That kind of Cap Space would make the team much easier to sell .

Roster
PG: Felton        / Augustin
SG: Ray          / Henderson
SF: Jackson    / Graham
PF: BBD         / Brown
 C: Chandler    / Diop


What do you guys think? Should we trade Ray?

[Tai]

No.

Oh yeah, and Phoenix is laughing at this deal. They're not going to trade the player they just acquired.

[rondohondo]

No.

Oh yeah, and Phoenix is laughing at this deal. They're not going to trade the player they just acquired.

Who did they just Acquire? Richardson has been there since last year.

[vinnie]

Why would Phoenix even think about this trade? Right now they are one of the top 5 teams in the league.

[rondohondo]

Why would Phoenix even think about this trade? Right now they are one of the top 5 teams in the league.

They aren't winning a championship so whats the difference? They have been rumored to want to cut payroll the last few years and this trade would give them a chance to be in position to get a max free agent next year. Plus Ray and Eddie would still let them play that run and gun style without any drop off .

[Change]

Hell No. Maybe Rondo? You know what Ray is missing (Big Baby). A Big Baby screen is like no other. He used to lay those katz. Once Baby returns we'll be fine. Probably a minor trade (Scal, TA, and JR)

[MaxwellSmart86]

Ray AND Rondo + Pick for CP3....---N.O. is crashing too.

[Who]

The C's should definitely be putting Ray Allen's name out there and seeing if anything worthwhile is available.

[Tai]

No.

Oh yeah, and Phoenix is laughing at this deal. They're not going to trade the player they just acquired.

Who did they just Acquire? Richardson has been there since last year.

Oh, they traded for him last year. My bad.

Still, they're not giving him up.

[Bahku]

Ray was one of the few players tonight who actually provided consistent energy, and looked to attack the basket. Why the heck would you want to completely undermine the chemistry of this team, just because they've been out of sorts lately? They've gone through "down" periods before, longer ones, and they will again. You don't think of trading your core players every time there's a lull in the record ... they're still one of the best in the NBA, and if they had made two more tres, or gotten a couple more calls in their favor tonight, this would have easily been a win. Sorry, but we've become a bit spoiled here, complaining about an early 9 and 4 record, when with all the changes that were made over the summer, it should have been expected ... and most teams in this league would trade for our record in a second.

[KungPoweChicken]

Why not throw Allen's name out to the Kings and see if they would be interested in saving a ton of money for Martin and some of their garbage.

Or how about Allen for Ellis and Morrow, and whomever else it takes to match up the salaries (some of golden state's garbage).

How about Allen to Detroit for Hamilton and Prince? (not big on this idea).

Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo for Zach Randolph, OJ Mayo, and Mike Conley.



Just for the record, I don't really care for any of these "ideas." Well, I like the Kevin Martin idea, but it doesn't seem very probable.

[Bahku]

This is not a fantasy league, it's the NBA ... you don't trade a player every time you lose a game. When there's a problem, you WORK on the weaknesses ... not get RID of them. Every time you trade someone, you throw a wrench into the whole chemistry of the team and roll the dice again ... this is a team that can WIN, and they've proven it. Now's the time to hone our strengths and improve on our flaws, not rebuild the whole team!

[Tai]

This is not a fantasy league, it's the NBA ... you don't trade a player every time you lose a game. When there's a problem, you WORK on the weaknesses ... not get RID of them. Every time you trade someone, you throw a wrench into the whole chemistry of the team and roll the dice again ... this is a team that can WIN, and they've proven it. Now's the time to hone our strengths and improve on our flaws, not rebuild the whole team!

Jeez, at least someone gets it.

These trade ideas have always irked me. I respect anyone's right to make them, no matter how absurd I think they are, but come on! Knee-jerk trade topics after every loss is kinda ridiculous!

[Bahku]

This is not a fantasy league, it's the NBA ... you don't trade a player every time you lose a game. When there's a problem, you WORK on the weaknesses ... not get RID of them. Every time you trade someone, you throw a wrench into the whole chemistry of the team and roll the dice again ... this is a team that can WIN, and they've proven it. Now's the time to hone our strengths and improve on our flaws, not rebuild the whole team!

Jeez, at least someone gets it.

These trade ideas have always irked me. I respect anyone's right to make them, no matter how absurd I think they are, but come on! Knee-jerk trade topics after every loss is kinda ridiculous!

A big TP for that, Tai ... seems like half the threads these days are trade ideas ... what happened to loyalty and refining the great team we have? Ray is a huge part of what gives this team it's strength ... you don't go messing with that just because we're having a down-time.

[snively]

The C's should definitely be putting Ray Allen's name out there and seeing if anything worthwhile is available.

Ray has looked good to me this season.  I think he fits our offense too well.  Thus far the 2nd unit has functioned best with him as the lone starter representative.  He'll make his fair share of boneheaded passes, but his extremely versatile offensive game is extremely lethal with our 2nd unit.  

I thought he was best offensive player for the Celtics against the Magic.  He got great separation off the pick and roll and hit Sheed for several buckets, he drove aggressively to the hoop, he hit some stop and pop jumpers and 1 of the only 2 threes.  He's not a one-on-one player, hence the ugly turnover at the end, but he's still deadly as an offensive weapon, especially in conjunction with excellent big man options like Sheed and KG, who can screen, pop and roll.


He's weak defensively, but we're still a great defensive team.  Our weakness is offense, and I can't think of a plausible Ray trade that would improve our offense.