I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.

[ManUp]

BBD's only been in the league  for about two years. Sheed has been in for 10+ and is on the decline. You can't really say that BBD is incapable of being a better rebounder when his career is just starting. I'm not saying that we should consider swapping BBD's minutes with Sheed right now, only if Sheed doesn't shape up. BBD isn't a better shooter than Sheed, but he is more willing to go inside and draw contact. I think his ability to draw contact and finish and one plays would balance out Sheeds chucking 3s. BBD looked to be a different type of player in preseason. He showed more of a willingness to mix it up inside and that would have been huge for his efficiency.

[Chris]

I still love Sheed as a Celtic.  I just dislike the overall tendency of this whole team to get complacent, and decide to have a 3 point shootout every game.  The number of forced 3's has increased dramatically over the last week and a half, and it has been a teamwide epidemic.

[JSD]

I still love Sheed as a Celtic.  I just dislike the overall tendency of this whole team to get complacent, and decide to have a 3 point shootout every game.  The number of forced 3's has increased dramatically over the last week and a half, and it has been a teamwide epidemic.

Doesn't the finger of blame for this epidemic have to be pointed at Sheed? It literally feels like I'm watching a 2002 Antoine Walker coming off the bench. As an other poster mentioned, Mcdyess would have been a better fit, he bangs and has a good mid-range jumper.

Is there any chance we trade this guy if the team continues to struggle? I don't see a match anywhere. Plus, wouldn't it be embarrassing for everyone involved in the courting process?

We're Married to this guy for three years

What was he doing differently in 5 years ago that made him an elite player? Is he out of shape? He's a settler... It's driving me crazy.

[Chris]

I still love Sheed as a Celtic.  I just dislike the overall tendency of this whole team to get complacent, and decide to have a 3 point shootout every game.  The number of forced 3's has increased dramatically over the last week and a half, and it has been a teamwide epidemic.

Doesn't the finger of blame for this epidemic have to be pointed at Sheed? It literally feels like I'm watching a 2002 Antoine Walker coming off the bench. As an other poster mentioned, Mcdyess would have been a better fit.

Is there any chance we trade this guy if the team continues to struggle? I don't see a match anywhere. Plus, wouldn't it be embarrassing for everyone involved in the courting process?

We're Married to this guy for three years

What was he doing differently in 5 years ago that made him an elite player? Is he out of shape? He's a settler... It's driving me crazy.

Absolutely not.  I actually think the vast majority of Sheed's 3's are in the flow of the offense, and absolutely wide open.  Yes, he has had a few really bad ones that happened at terrible times (the one in the Suns game really stands out), but the vast majority of his 3's have been good ones.

When you compare him to someone like Pierce, who has gotten in a terrible habit of pulling up for contested 3's on the fastbreak (and he almost never hits them), or even House, who has been launching shots off the dribble that he NEVER hits, I don't think Sheed is to blame for this. 

Ultimately, I think Sheed's shooting is exactly what this offense needs.  He stretches the defense, and opens up the middle.  The problem is that instead of using him as a decoy, and going to the hoop, guys like Pierce have been instead been focussed on using the 3 pointers to either get back into games, or trying to grow the lead. 

This team has a long ways to go in learning how to run their offense most efficiently, but have Sheed on the floor is absolutely a huge asset, if they learn to use him the right way.  And this isn't even getting into how much of an improvement he is defensively.

[Tai]

I'm sick of Rasheed. I don't know how he ever got the reputation as an "intense" guy; he's only intense if you count his immature "I am going to argue with the refs on every call" attitude.

I wanted McDyess, but I guess you can't get everything.


I'm hoping, although it's doubtful, that Doc will have the guts to play Baby and Williams in the second unit, instead of Wallace.

You sound like your serious, but I'd rather consider you delirious. 

[ManUp]

I still love Sheed as a Celtic.  I just dislike the overall tendency of this whole team to get complacent, and decide to have a 3 point shootout every game.  The number of forced 3's has increased dramatically over the last week and a half, and it has been a teamwide epidemic.

Doesn't the finger of blame for this epidemic have to be pointed at Sheed? It literally feels like I'm watching a 2002 Antoine Walker coming off the bench. As an other poster mentioned, Mcdyess would have been a better fit.

Is there any chance we trade this guy if the team continues to struggle? I don't see a match anywhere. Plus, wouldn't it be embarrassing for everyone involved in the courting process?

We're Married to this guy for three years

What was he doing differently in 5 years ago that made him an elite player? Is he out of shape? He's a settler... It's driving me crazy.

Absolutely not.  I actually think the vast majority of Sheed's 3's are in the flow of the offense, and absolutely wide open.  Yes, he has had a few really bad ones that happened at terrible times (the one in the Suns game really stands out), but the vast majority of his 3's have been good ones.

When you compare him to someone like Pierce, who has gotten in a terrible habit of pulling up for contested 3's on the fastbreak (and he almost never hits them), or even House, who has been launching shots off the dribble that he NEVER hits, I don't think Sheed is to blame for this. 

Ultimately, I think Sheed's shooting is exactly what this offense needs.  He stretches the defense, and opens up the middle.  The problem is that instead of using him as a decoy, and going to the hoop, guys like Pierce have been instead been focussed on using the 3 pointers to either get back into games, or trying to grow the lead. 

This team has a long ways to go in learning how to run their offense most efficiently, but have Sheed on the floor is absolutely a huge asset, if they learn to use him the right way.  And this isn't even getting into how much of an improvement he is defensively.

I agree that the shots he's been taken aren't really bad looks, but it's just the sheer volume of them that gets to me. 70 three attempts out of 106 shots is just ridiciulous. If he'd roll to the basket just atleast 1/3rd of the time as opposed to always lineup behind the three it'd be great. When the shots not falling he needs to find another way effectively score the ball.

[ssspence]

Doc will have the guts to play Baby and Williams in the second unit, instead of Wallace.

He won't.

And he shouldn't. BBD is a worse rebounder, worse shooter, worse defender... BBD is fighting for time with Williams when he returns, not Sheed.

Rebounding i'm not so sure, about. I think BBD can managae more than 3 boards in 20 minutes. Sure he doesn't have Wallace's range, but he'd definitely be more efficient than the Wallace we've seen thus far.

If you use BBD's stats from last year as a guide, you're mostly right on rebounding, but incorrect about efficiency.  See here.

BBD shot a better percentage last year, but Rasheed's eFG% and TS% are higher. 

BBD's total rebound rate was better, and his offensive rebounding was much better (since Rasheed is usually behind the three point line), but Rasheed's defensive rebounding has been stronger.

Will the two really compete for minutes? Sheed is 4 inches taller and has been backing up Perk. It's Williams and Baby who appear to be in conflict. And Sheldon IS a better rebounder than Baby. His knack for the ball has really impressed me, and when he gets fouled on those offensive rebounds he's shot the ball well from the line.

[moiso]

99% of the people on this site thought the signing of Sheed was a godsend.  He's not an allstar, like everybody was saying.  He is what he is.  He's a pretty lazy and lethargic player who wants to stand there and jack up shots.  His rebounding is absolutely horrible now, and is was bad even in his prime.  I like when Shelden comes in and I'll like seeing Baby out there, because regardless of skill level, those two play with some heart.  They give some effort. 
Before this season, if I had to pick my least favorite players in the league, the list would start with Sheed.  The referee act is so old now.  Every time he doesn't like a call he becomes a sideshow.
He's got some skill but we got a lazy player who isn't the winner he is thought by many to be because he plays with zero energy.  When he's on the court the whole team seems so much older, slower, and unathletic.  Sorry about the rant, but this has been my opinion of Sheed for about 6 years.

[moiso]

I still love Sheed as a Celtic.  I just dislike the overall tendency of this whole team to get complacent, and decide to have a 3 point shootout every game.  The number of forced 3's has increased dramatically over the last week and a half, and it has been a teamwide epidemic.

Doesn't the finger of blame for this epidemic have to be pointed at Sheed? It literally feels like I'm watching a 2002 Antoine Walker coming off the bench. As an other poster mentioned, Mcdyess would have been a better fit, he bangs and has a good mid-range jumper.

Is there any chance we trade this guy if the team continues to struggle? I don't see a match anywhere. Plus, wouldn't it be embarrassing for everyone involved in the courting process?

We're Married to this guy for three years

What was he doing differently in 5 years ago that made him an elite player? Is he out of shape? He's a settler... It's driving me crazy.

No motor left.  And never had much of one to begin with.

[Fafnir]

Defensive rebounding is much more important for the C's, at that Sheed is much better than BBD.

Offensive boards are great, but given how we play defense we need to defend our glass more than anything.

[crownsy]

BBD's only been in the league  for about two years. Sheed has been in for 10+ and is on the decline. You can't really say that BBD is incapable of being a better rebounder when his career is just starting. I'm not saying that we should consider swapping BBD's minutes with Sheed right now, only if Sheed doesn't shape up. BBD isn't a better shooter than Sheed, but he is more willing to go inside and draw contact. I think his ability to draw contact and finish and one plays would balance out Sheeds chucking 3s. BBD looked to be a different type of player in preseason. He showed more of a willingness to mix it up inside and that would have been huge for his efficiency.

No, i can pretty much lock these in as BBD rebounding numbers.

He's unlikely to grow 3 inches or suddenly become a above the rim player given his build and athleticism, so I think it's fair to label him a average at best rebounder.

[fugazzi24]

The Rasheed signing was made for three reasons only.  

1A.)  Take Bynum away from the basket when we play the lakers and for his size and length to defend Bynum in the post.

1B.)  See above insert Shaq and Cle.

1C.)  See above insert Howard and Orl * (Perk did a great job defending Howard in the playoffs but I am less concerned about his offense and more his shot blocking against the Celtics.  

I do admist I expected a bit more from him at the start of the year, but hopefully when the playoffs come he will be motivated and ready to defend our oppenents bigs.  

[moiso]

Neither is a good rebounder.  I like that Baby plays aggresively and fires up the team.  He's an instigator.  Sheed plays with no energy and his lethargy seems to rub off a little bit on the whole team.  The only ones he instigates are the refs.

[crownsy]

I still love Sheed as a Celtic.  I just dislike the overall tendency of this whole team to get complacent, and decide to have a 3 point shootout every game.  The number of forced 3's has increased dramatically over the last week and a half, and it has been a teamwide epidemic.

where we're these concerns in 2008 when we shot more 3 pointers / 100 than we do this year? was it ok because posey was taking them?

I mean, this idea that we've suddenly become a three point shooting team is ridiculous. We have always been a three point shooting team. People just don't like that a center/PF is now one of our three point shooters.

(credit to scoop in another thread)

Boston Celtics 2007/2008:
3PTA per game - 19
3PTA/FGA ratio - 24.9%
3PTA per 100 possessions - 21.2

Boston Celtics 2009/2010:
3PTA per game - 18.2
3PTA/FGA ratio - 23.8%
3PTA per 100 poss. - 20

We are nearly spot on with what we shot, per 100, to what we did in the championship season. When you have arguably the best three point shooter of all time in ray, and a plethra of other good three point shooters in paul, eddie, and sheed you will shoot alot of threes when the other team sags to cover a slasher.

The only difference is posey's spot has been taken by sheed, and they shoot roughly the same percentage.

People have talked them self into this the same way they have talked themselves into believing, just as a counter factual example, that vince carter misses a huge amount of games each year.

Both are fun to harp on, neither is supported by fact.

[footey]

Sheed, because he shoots so many 3s, is going to be streaky. Same as Eddie. They will be loved, then hated, then loved, depending on whether they are on a hot streak, or a cold streak.  We got off to a great start, mostly because Eddie and Sheed were hitting their 3's. When they went cold, we started to lose. Look it up.

Not the way to build a championship team. Too much risk that we will go cold at the wrong time.