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Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #90 on: November 22, 2009, 02:02:02 AM »

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Sheed was our best player in the 4th quarter against Orlando.

But maybe that was the problem in a nutshell.

And Sheed shooting 28% from 3 point land is killing this team. If people think its not, they are just kidding themselves.

Now that 28% wouldn't be such a big deal if he was only taking 2 or 3 attempts from beyond the arc.

But the man is taking 6.....

The only reason any player should be taking more than 5 per game is if he is hitting them at 35 or 36 percent and higher.

Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #91 on: November 22, 2009, 05:00:10 AM »

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I think the same than I thought at the beginning of the season. Sheed Wallace makes us the team to beat. Right now we are having some problems due to the different adjustments the team is making. I prefer to lose some games now and reserve some legs. This veteran squad will be unbeatable by Spring. In the meantime we will enjoy one of the best records in the league.

Concerning Wallace, I have grown to love the player. He is smart, talented and plays great defense. His 3's are not getting in, but once they'll do everybody will jump on his wagon again. Fans are like that.

Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #92 on: November 22, 2009, 06:53:43 AM »

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The main reason I was concerned about shining Sheed (much preferring to sign McDyess and still bemoaning Powe's injury) was his big personality and ability to influence team chemistry with it.  I was also worried about Sheed and Doc not jiving, had trouble seeing Doc tolerate Sheed, etc....but maybe they're fine together....

I'm sure he's a great guy, but I wanted a smaller personality on this team.  Not leaving the refs alone is just one example. 

Teams who wait for the playoffs to turn on the urgency aren't normally bound for the championship imo....

Let's see if Baby can help bring some of that urgency back....



Wallace is not killing this team.

Davis is not going to re-energize this team.





One of the leaders needs to step up and put some feet up some backsides and get this team going. 

I agree that Sheed's not killing the team.  It would be hard for one player alone to do that.  I also think we'll be happier with him in the playoffs than we will be during the regular season.  I do think alot about chemistry and balance though, which I was getting at in my post.  For me the jury's still out...

I  agree wholeheartedly with Tommy H. who says you need a nice push pull between vets and young players.  The vets pull and the young ones push.  It's not Sheed's fault that he's the 4th senior citizen on the team, but is 4 too many?  That's my question....

I think Baby will absolutely help this team when he gets back....for example, he could have kept some of Atlanta's leapers out of the lane.  And I think he can do some sparking as well.


Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #93 on: November 22, 2009, 09:54:02 AM »

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I thought Sheed did well in a Orlando, apart from the threes. He made more of an effort to play closer to the basket, and had one of his best games in a while. The rebounding was excellent and the inside play was encouraging. I'm happy Doc told him to play inside more Doc doesn't always correct some of those bad habits in veteran players.

Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #94 on: November 22, 2009, 10:07:39 AM »

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I like what Sheed has done against Cleveland and Orlando. He can be a difference maker in a playoff series against those teams.

Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #95 on: November 22, 2009, 10:08:52 AM »

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     I haven't been crazy about sheed's shot selection. it;s been bad at times. but he had a great rebounding and defensive effort the other night. That;s what i;d love from sheed. THAT kind of defense and boards with maybe two 3 attempts a game and the other stuff coming from down low to mid-range.but i guess you have to take what the defense gives you.
    

Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #96 on: November 22, 2009, 10:10:52 AM »

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I would like to see Doc design and/or call more plays where Wallace (and KG) get closer to the basket.


It is one thing to say "take less threes", it is another to adjust the offense to get him off the three point line.

Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #97 on: November 22, 2009, 11:14:37 AM »

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I think it all depends on the situation.  As much as I hate his 0-8 performance, it's also a nice luxury to have a center who can force Dwight Howard away from the basket.  Had he hit some of those threes (like he will in the future), we probably would've won (a usual 3-8 night would've put us over the top). 

Things are just about as bad as they can get right now.  But while Rasheed and Eddie might not hit threes like they did in the first few games, they also won't miss them like they have recently all year. 

Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #98 on: November 22, 2009, 11:39:53 AM »

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I love Sheed's versatility, but I can't believe he is getting all this defense for his horrible 3 point shooting lately.

The guy is shooting 15% from 3 point line over the last 6 games (3-3 record).

He's also taking the most per game on our team over that span.

Both Pierce and Ray take about 3 per game over the last 6 games and Sheed is taking more than 5 per game.

The first 7 games (6-1 record), our team's total 3 point attempts was 144.

46 of those were from Sheed, so about 32% of those 3 pointers were from Sheed.

Over the last 6 games: 94 total 3PA and 32 are from Sheed, that's 34%!.

Both those numbers are kind of crazy....I mean just think about it....32% and 34% that is one third of our team's 3 point attempts coming from Sheed.

Now, I don't mind that at all when Sheed was shooing 37% from there, but I don't want that trend to stay that high if he is shooting 15% from the 3 point line, no way Jose.


Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #99 on: November 22, 2009, 12:05:25 PM »

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I love Sheed's versatility, but I can't believe he is getting all this defense for his horrible 3 point shooting lately.

The guy is shooting 15% from 3 point line over the last 6 games (3-3 record).

He's also taking the most per game on our team over that span.

Both Pierce and Ray take about 3 per game over the last 6 games and Sheed is taking more than 5 per game.

The first 7 games (6-1 record), our team's total 3 point attempts was 144.

46 of those were from Sheed, so about 32% of those 3 pointers were from Sheed.

Over the last 6 games: 94 total 3PA and 32 are from Sheed, that's 34%!.

Both those numbers are kind of crazy....I mean just think about it....32% and 34% that is one third of our team's 3 point attempts coming from Sheed.

Now, I don't mind that at all when Sheed was shooing 37% from there, but I don't want that trend to stay that high if he is shooting 15% from the 3 point line, no way Jose.



True.  But I still think there's a value in having him pull out opposing big men.  The C's just need to exploit it more.  Let him fire away if he's wide open, but also work on attacking the rim when he pulls out opposing big men.  Put him 25 feet out, but then pound it in to KG, or draw up a play to let Rondo or Pierce attack the rim. 

Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #100 on: November 22, 2009, 12:08:40 PM »

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It's not worthy to drift your big man to the perimeter to guard a subpar shooter.

Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #101 on: November 22, 2009, 12:21:42 PM »

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It's not worthy to drift your big man to the perimeter to guard a subpar shooter.

Sheed's versatility to draw the opposing big man out, is only useful if he is making his 3's.

If he's shooting at a 15% clip, it's not helpful at all.

Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #102 on: November 22, 2009, 12:27:39 PM »

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    I haven't been crazy about sheed's shot selection. it;s been bad at times. but he had a great rebounding and defensive effort the other night. That;s what i;d love from sheed. THAT kind of defense and boards with maybe two 3 attempts a game and the other stuff coming from down low to mid-range.but i guess you have to take what the defense gives you.
    
Don't get used to that kind of rebounding.  That game was kind of a fluke.

Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #103 on: November 22, 2009, 12:38:07 PM »

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Yeah, Sheed got in the game early do to Perk's fouls.  He was forced to guard near the rim. He picked up a few of his boards from free throw misses. I was hoping as he was picking up a few baskets and points staying under he might like it but he went right back outside when he could.

Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #104 on: November 22, 2009, 02:25:18 PM »

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It's frustrating at times, but people should have known that Rasheed is almost exclusively a jump shooter now.  Last year, around 90% of his shot attempts were jump shots; this year the number is 95%. 

That's who Rasheed is now; for better or for worse, I don't see him changing.

yup, DA knew what he was getting when he signed him. The 3pt shots are a bit depressing because he is a good post player, but he rarely goes down there anymore...
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