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I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« on: November 19, 2009, 11:08:38 AM »

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I know it's a short window of games, but his arrant 3-point shots and the way he chastises the refs after every call in really making me question the the decision to court him in the fashion that they have. To bring him in to see if it works is one thing, but Sheed can't be traded this year after that courting session and *terrible contract.

Is it fair to say that there is no team more disliked by the refs than the Celtics?

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I know it's a short window of games, but his arrant 3-point shots and the way he chastises the refs after every call in really making me question the the decision to court him in the fashion that they have. To bring him in to see if it works is one thing, but Sheed can't be traded this year after that courting session and *terrible contract.

Is it fair to say that there is no team more disliked by the refs than the Celtics?

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*Terrible contract - Any non-rookie contract worth over $3 million per season lasting over two years given to a non all-star. (Celticsblog dictionary)

While I agree that his 3-point shoting is making me crazy, isn't it Doc's job to tell him where to be. I mean perhaps Doc wants him outside so KG or Perk can have space in the post. It's kind of like watching Scal stand in the corner when he's in the game. It makes me nuts but I assume that's what he's told to do. Now, I do in fact wish they would have Sheed down low more often as I think he has looked pretty good down there when he has been down there.
As for the techs, I don't think anyone is surprised by them, but again I think Doc and his coachs should make it clear that it is not accepable.

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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2009, 11:25:41 AM »

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It's frustrating at times, but people should have known that Rasheed is almost exclusively a jump shooter now.  Last year, around 90% of his shot attempts were jump shots; this year the number is 95%. 

That's who Rasheed is now; for better or for worse, I don't see him changing.

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Re: I'm begining to dislike Rasheed as a Celtic.
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 11:38:39 AM »

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Exactly, we knew what we were getting with Sheed. He's a good interior defender with length, he shoots a ton of 3s, and he hates the refs. Oh and he'll help us win.

So far he's fulfilled all four of those expectations!

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2009, 11:46:33 AM »

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I was thinking about starting a thread on this a while back, before his poor shooting. I knew he was jumpshooter, but the amount of threes he's taking is ridiculous. I did want him in Boston, but not for 3 years. Danny seems to have made a mistake as far as that goes. He's taken 106 shots so far this season 70 of them have been 3 point shots. Seriously Sheed 66% of your shots are threes? And your how tall? REALLY?!!!

The guys a great finisher from what little I've seen of him in the paint. I'm not asking him to post up anyone. All I want is for him to make himself available for the drop off pass ala Perk. Even if he wants to continue shooting jumpers atleast take some from inside the arc to make them a higher percentage shot. It p---es me off when he rolls to the three instead of for the rime even when guys begin to play him for it.

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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 11:49:24 AM »

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I'm sick of Rasheed. I don't know how he ever got the reputation as an "intense" guy; he's only intense if you count his immature "I am going to argue with the refs on every call" attitude.

I wanted McDyess, but I guess you can't get everything.


I'm hoping, although it's doubtful, that Doc will have the guts to play Baby and Williams in the second unit, instead of Wallace.

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Sheed's 3 point shooting, along with Eddie's for that matter, allow Daniels to get shots down in the paint and us to create mismatches. Their big has to come out and defend him which opens up the middle. Ray and PP are able to penetrate easier when they are in with the second unit, Williams often gets a better matchup down low with the PF verus the center. Sure Sheed went through a cold stretch there for awhile as does any outside shooter. (House and Ray had long ones as well) He has hit some big ones though that have helped blow open games and he will likely hit many of those in the playoffs. Considering the guy also is a tough inside defender I am absolutely thrilled with what he has given us. Last year we had BBD, Mikki, and Powe off the bench at the big spot. Now we have Sheed, Williams, and someday BBD. That is a HUGE upgrade. The guy definitely makes us better no matter how his offensive points come.

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Doc will have the guts to play Baby and Williams in the second unit, instead of Wallace.

He won't.

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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2009, 12:08:55 PM »

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Doc will have the guts to play Baby and Williams in the second unit, instead of Wallace.

He won't.


And he shouldn't. BBD is a worse rebounder, worse shooter, worse defender... BBD is fighting for time with Williams when he returns, not Sheed.

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2009, 12:14:01 PM »

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Doc will have the guts to play Baby and Williams in the second unit, instead of Wallace.

He won't.


And he shouldn't. BBD is a worse rebounder, worse shooter, worse defender... BBD is fighting for time with Williams when he returns, not Sheed.

Rebounding i'm not so sure, about. I think BBD can managae more than 3 boards in 20 minutes. Sure he doesn't have Wallace's range, but he'd definitely be more efficient than the Wallace we've seen thus far.

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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2009, 12:17:48 PM »

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Doc will have the guts to play Baby and Williams in the second unit, instead of Wallace.

He won't.


And he shouldn't. BBD is a worse rebounder, worse shooter, worse defender... BBD is fighting for time with Williams when he returns, not Sheed.

Rebounding i'm not so sure, about. I think BBD can managae more than 3 boards in 20 minutes. Sure he doesn't have Wallace's range, but he'd definitely be more efficient than the Wallace we've seen thus far.

If you use BBD's stats from last year as a guide, you're mostly right on rebounding, but incorrect about efficiency.  See here.

BBD shot a better percentage last year, but Rasheed's eFG% and TS% are higher. 

BBD's total rebound rate was better, and his offensive rebounding was much better (since Rasheed is usually behind the three point line), but Rasheed's defensive rebounding has been stronger.

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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2009, 12:19:19 PM »

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I think Doc should team up Sheed with Perk. That way if Sheed misses up, he'll get the stare down from hell. Perk don't play games sheed.

I honestly don't understand whats the point playing Sheed with KG. 2 jump shooting 7footers. It should be Perk/Sheed and KG/Williams.  

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I think Doc should team up Sheed with Perk. That way if Sheed misses up, he'll get the stare down from hell. Perk don't play games sheed.

I honestly don't understand whats the point playing Sheed with KG. 2 jump shooting 7footers. It should be Perk/Sheed and KG/Williams.  

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2009, 12:22:56 PM »

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Doc will have the guts to play Baby and Williams in the second unit, instead of Wallace.

He won't.


And he shouldn't. BBD is a worse rebounder, worse shooter, worse defender... BBD is fighting for time with Williams when he returns, not Sheed.

Rebounding i'm not so sure, about. I think BBD can managae more than 3 boards in 20 minutes. Sure he doesn't have Wallace's range, but he'd definitely be more efficient than the Wallace we've seen thus far.

If you use BBD's stats from last year as a guide, you're mostly right on rebounding, but incorrect about efficiency.  See here.

BBD shot a better percentage last year, but Rasheed's eFG% and TS% are higher. 

BBD's total rebound rate was better, and his offensive rebounding was much better (since Rasheed is usually behind the three point line), but Rasheed's defensive rebounding has been stronger.

The intriguing part of BBD is the playoff run he had.  I don't think his regular season numbers tell the whole story.
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2009, 12:28:29 PM »

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Doc will have the guts to play Baby and Williams in the second unit, instead of Wallace.

He won't.


And he shouldn't. BBD is a worse rebounder, worse shooter, worse defender... BBD is fighting for time with Williams when he returns, not Sheed.

Rebounding i'm not so sure, about. I think BBD can managae more than 3 boards in 20 minutes. Sure he doesn't have Wallace's range, but he'd definitely be more efficient than the Wallace we've seen thus far.

BBD's career rebounding numbers are basically identical to Sheed's stats this year. History shows he CAN'T manage more. Considering Sheed has averaged 7 rpg his career I think it is fair to say he is a better rebounder. Of course he isn't going to average as many now in lesser minutes and being more of an outside player than before, but it's hard to be much worse of a rebounder as a big than BBD is.

31.4% from 3pt land is like 46% from 2, so even at his lower rate this year he is as productive as BBD has been. Considering he shoots a lot more shots closer in this should be a better number than 45% from the floor for BBD. He is at best a mediocre shooter.